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Old 12-04-2013, 09:40 PM   #1
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I just got an email from my favorite dealer Waffle that an order that included the Gemini MD80 AA has shipped.

I'm surprised nobody has posted photos (of the actual end product)?

Maybe I missed them?

Anxious to see how these look!
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Thanks for posting those! I'm not an MD-82 expert (though I have ridden them for 20 years) and am anxious to hear what folks say about this model.

I think I like it, but something looks "crooked" about the front part of the plane to me - like the cheatline is lower at the nose, and climbs the fuselage, making the plane have a big "forehead" and the "American" look kittywampus and not aligned with the top of the fuselage the way it is in photos of the real deal?

But I'm probably wrong - and hope I am
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Thanks for posting those! I'm not an MD-82 expert (though I have ridden them for 20 years) and am anxious to hear what folks say about this model.

I think I like it, but something looks "crooked" about the front part of the plane to me - like the cheatline is lower at the nose, and climbs the fuselage, making the plane have a big "forehead" and the "American" look kittywampus and not aligned with the top of the fuselage the way it is in photos of the real deal?

But I'm probably wrong - and hope I am
Why worry about what others think?? If the model looks nice, and you like it, then buy it!

Thanks for the photos Abraham!!
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For continuity purposes and clarity of delivery evaluation, best this thread be attached to jetboy787's GJ AA MD80 thread?

Then let the comparison of the rather identical "sample" and "real" model begin in earnest.
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Mine are on the way too. I'm no expert either and in fairness to Gemini the pictures are a little blurry, but it looks like they couldn't decide on whether to do a cone tail or a screwdriver tail so they did neither and just split the difference and came up with a hybrid conedriver

I believe the top of the tail and the oversize nose wheels that are too far rearward have already been mentioned. I'm hoping they will look better in person, but these pics are not reassuring.

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I don't collect AA aircraft but this one was a must for me. Should arrive today.
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some look like this.

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That's gotta be trick photography!! I doubt GJ would release something looking like that!

If it was produced in the JC factory, then all bets are off!
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Good grief - that's grotesque!

That thing looks like a CRJ and a DC-9 had a baby!

My copy is coming tomorrow - fortunately there are a couple of nice Aeroclassics coming with it to soften the blow if my example has a botched nose job

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This is definitely not worth trading up to from DW's....and does nobody know what a correct screw-driver tail looks like overseas?
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Alaska Fan, all four of mine suffer from that look. Not great.
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WARNING

some look like this.
That looks damaged - like the nose has been crushed downards! I'll probably return it if mine ends up like that. Gemini have not impressed me with the way they've handled this release. Literally years of delays it seems then they announce it with no photographs and now this. After all that time you'd have thought they'd get the mould right but even without the nose issue you are showing it looks a bit dodgy. I'm hoping mine looks better in the hand.
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some look like this.

My EYES! My EYES! I can't see anymore! Someone get me some water!

You better be careful when you remove that model from it's box, it can poke your eyes out! Not good, T7 (how did this 'pointy' nose get past QC?)

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Alaska Fan,

I have five copies of the release, pulled from two different cases of the entire production run. I've checked each of the five and none of them look like the photo you posted. Obviously you received a copy that was unfortunately damaged during manufacturing.
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That looks damaged - like the nose has been crushed downards! I'll probably return it if mine ends up like that. Gemini have not impressed me with the way they've handled this release. Literally years of delays it seems then they announce it with no photographs and now this. After all that time you'd have thought they'd get the mould right but even without the nose issue you are showing it looks a bit dodgy. I'm hoping mine looks better in the hand.


I too hope mine somehow looks good, but am not betting on it.

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Jim and I on finals during flight certification of their newly modified Maddog.



Yup, our nose is hell-bent...Uh, huh huh. Yeah, heh, heh, and pointy. Ouch!
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Alaska Fan, all four of mine suffer from that look. Not great.
Can you post pictures please?
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Can you post pictures please?

Upon taking a picture, I think it was the angle at which I was looking at it. Assuming this is how it is supposed to look, I think it is fine. The others are the same, false alarm.


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Nice dolphin head on Alaska's photo -- last photo looks totally different.

How is the "pinched waist", "hump back", "razor empennage", and "non-duckbill vertical tailcone" on the actual model ???

Was any "sample" input incorporated from the pre-order advice (see other thread) ?
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Try this at home when you get your AA MD82.

Find a good side shot photo of the real aircraft on your favorite photo website. Hold the model up between your eyes and the photo. Move yourself and the model so that the model appears to be the same size as the aircraft in the photo and is the same position as the real aircraft (match wingtip placement on both). Focus your eye on the photo then the model and back and forth several times. I have done this twice already and I am certain that the model was done about as good as it could have been done with regards to the profile shape from nose to tail.

Let the critics have their day with it all they want. IMO it is still a pretty darn nice representation of the mad dog.
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Todd Michaels: "Obviously you received a copy that was unfortunately damaged during manufacturing." Gemini is very capable of producing some really wonky noses - I have had two GJ American Airlines B757-200(W), and they both had snozzes that made Jimmy Durante's look good. And I ain't counting rivets, here. My GJ MD-80 is vectoring in from Riverside, CA. Keep 'em flying, Doug
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Here is my copy - I'm still unsure about the nose, but overall it seems like a nice addition. Is an MD 80 nose identical in contour to a DC-9's nose? Time to search my library of color photo books and histories - think I have at least one DC-9 book that covers the MD 80s.





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I received mine few hours ago. I wanted to post some pics as well as compare with what I already have. I think Gemini did a great job on this release. Let the pictures speak for themselves -
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is the Gemini MD-80 nose gear located a bit too far aft?
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is the Gemini MD-80 nose gear located a bit too far aft?
Unfortunately, yes.
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Too many issues with the nose section for me. Not the best way to go with such a popular release. Unless Gemini was in a hurry somehow...

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Too many issues with the nose section for me. Not the best way to go with such a popular release. Unless Gemini was in a hurry somehow...

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I received mine few hours ago. I wanted to post some pics as well as compare with what I already have. I think Gemini did a great job on this release.
Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.
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I received mine this afternoon. Very happy with this model.
Some of the photos had me worried, but it looks great hands on.
I was patient because I have learned in the past not to judge photos. (especially non-professional pics)

If you have issues with this release then you need a new hobby, because you have clearly lost any sense of fun that collecting should bring.
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It's probably not perfect, but its very very acceptable. I agree that the initial pics from Gemini as well as pics that first showed up on eBay showed a rather disappointing attempt at a mad-dog nose. The model I received, however, definitely exceeded expectations.

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Here is my copy - I'm still unsure about the nose, but overall it seems like a nice addition. Is an MD 80 nose identical in contour to a DC-9's nose? Time to search my library of color photo books and histories - think I have at least one DC-9 book that covers the MD 80s.
Yes, in real life the same nose section is used on the DC-9,MD-8x,MD-90 as well as B717.
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I received mine this afternoon. Very happy with this model.
Some of the photos had me worried, but it looks great hands on.
I was patient because I have learned in the past not to judge photos. (especially non-professional pics)

If you have issues with this release then you need a new hobby, because you have clearly lost any sense of fun that collecting should bring.
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Got mine today - all good - what's not to like? Note to Andrew Klein: we now have three issues of the AA MD-80 by different manufacturers, and they were all were sell outs. Get on your horse and do that L-1011 and you're pretty much guaranteed good sales. Pan Am, Delta, Eastern Airlines, British Airways - they'd all sell out. It's time - just do it. Later, Doug

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Got mine today - all good - what's not to like? Note to Andrew Klein: we now have three issues of the AA MD-80 by different manufacturers, and they were all were sell outs. Get on your horse and do that L-1011 and you're pretty much guaranteed good sales. Pan Am, Delta, Eastern Airlines, British Airways - they'd all sell out. It's time - just do it. Later, Doug
Or even - Aeroclassics do another MD80 with the original tailcone because let's face it Gemini are never going to do anything more than 10 years old and judging by the new release hints (which appear not to feature a single MD80) they'll manage about 5 MD80s in the next year if we're lucky!
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Or even - Aeroclassics do another MD80 with the original tailcone because let's face it Gemini are never going to do anything more than 10 years old and judging by the new release hints (which appear not to feature a single MD80) they'll manage about 5 MD80s in the next year if we're lucky!
Um...one of the hints for the December 1:400 new releases sounds A LOT like an Allegiant MD-80. And given how quickly the American release has sold and their flurry of Delta releases over the last few years, I would think they won't be too far behind with a Delta MD-88 in current colors.
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Um...one of the hints for the December 1:400 new releases sounds A LOT like an Allegiant MD-80. And given how quickly the American release has sold and their flurry of Delta releases over the last few years, I would think they won't be too far behind with a Delta MD-88 in current colors.
You have just made my point. They have already made an Allegiant MD80 albeit on the Phoenix mould so do we really need another and if your Delta MD80 guess comes to fruition next month (personally I couldn't care a less if it did as pretty much any other Delta schemed MD80 would be preferred and more representative of the MD80s career at DL) then that makes a mighty two aircraft in two months!

Whereas AC would typically produce at least 5 aircraft on a new mould a month continuously for about 6 months - hence we have over 40 of their 737-300s made already.

I'd much prefer something that represented the MD80 during its career high when it wasn't thought of as a has-been fuel guzzling noise maker. A TWA twin stripe, AirCal, Frontier Saul Bass perhaps - preferably something Dragon hasn't already done. Hell they could even dare to look beyond the US and hit us with something 'unusual' like SAS, Finnair, Austrian, Alitalia, Swissair. I fear Gemini have made a mould which they are now going to under-use because they have become so conservative in their release tastes (I guess we might get Alaska and Hawaiian examples though).
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I received mine this afternoon. Very happy with this model.
Some of the photos had me worried, but it looks great hands on.
I was patient because I have learned in the past not to judge photos. (especially non-professional pics)

If you have issues with this release then you need a new hobby, because you have clearly lost any sense of fun that collecting should bring.

Yep, agree completely.
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Alaskafan's image was slightly distorted based on the blue nose stripe and the blue background. His actual diecast does not look like that. By looking at my two and all the other photos here I am sure of it. Incidentally James from GJ did publish sample photos of this a month ago.
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Get on your horse and do that L-1011 and you're pretty much guaranteed good sales. Pan Am, Delta, Eastern Airlines, British Airways - they'd all sell out. It's time - just do it.
Hear, hear! Please add me to the chorus of those wanting a superior L-1011.

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Same here, live right here and haven't received mine but it's ok
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You have just made my point. They have already made an Allegiant MD80 albeit on the Phoenix mould so do we really need another and if your Delta MD80 guess comes to fruition next month (personally I couldn't care a less if it did as pretty much any other Delta schemed MD80 would be preferred and more representative of the MD80s career at DL) then that makes a mighty two aircraft in two months!

Whereas AC would typically produce at least 5 aircraft on a new mould a month continuously for about 6 months - hence we have over 40 of their 737-300s made already.

I'd much prefer something that represented the MD80 during its career high when it wasn't thought of as a has-been fuel guzzling noise maker. A TWA twin stripe, AirCal, Frontier Saul Bass perhaps - preferably something Dragon hasn't already done. Hell they could even dare to look beyond the US and hit us with something 'unusual' like SAS, Finnair, Austrian, Alitalia, Swissair. I fear Gemini have made a mould which they are now going to under-use because they have become so conservative in their release tastes (I guess we might get Alaska and Hawaiian examples though).
I agree with the desire to see some older subjects on GJ's MD-80 mold. Though, I'd like them to do a version with the original pointed tail cone in order to do some of those subjects. But a TWA twin stripe and final colors would be great. Continental new colors too. Given my collection focus, I'd love to see a Delta wavy gravy and interim MD-88, but I'm skeptical that those will be done.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:02 PM   #44
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I agree with the desire to see some older subjects on GJ's MD-80 mold. Though, I'd like them to do a version with the original pointed tail cone in order to do some of those subjects. But a TWA twin stripe and final colors would be great. Continental new colors too. Given my collection focus, I'd love to see a Delta wavy gravy and interim MD-88, but I'm skeptical that those will be done.
Me too sadly. Even the new Allegient isn't on the new mould. Gemini are boring as hell.
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Mine came today. It's pretty nice.
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Me too sadly. Even the new Allegient isn't on the new mould. Gemini are boring as hell.
'Boring' is getting the bills paid quite nicely these days.
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'Boring' is getting the bills paid quite nicely these days.
Perhaps but as a collector that isn't my concern as long as they stay in business. As I said on wings900:

'It's just sad that when I look at my large collection 25.6% are Geminis (161 models) however I have only bought 2 this year (SU IL62, AA MD80), 4 in 2012 and 4 in 2011. Now if I look at 2008 I have 12 and in 2007 17!

That shows the direction Gemini have been going in and in my opinion it is a complete snoresville. I love Aeroclassics models (though sometimes not AK) however I am disappointed at being wedded to only one company - this year I have bought 29 Aeroclassics models!

P.S: I know there are other manufacurers but Gemini, Pheonix and AC are the only ones who produce a decent number of models in 1:400.'
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Mine arrived last night and I can't wait to do the post flight inspection. The rake or stance of the new GJ AA MD-80 mould is finally correct!

Whomever asked the Q? Regarding if the nose section of a DC-9 and an MD-80 being the same? Yes, yes they are! Infact they were built in the very same AJ's and share the same tooling. An MD-80 is a DC-9 (Type Certificated as a model DC-9-82, a DC-9 derivative). Heck there are reminates of the DC-8 design in the MD-80 for that matter.

This is perhaps one of the best or most important releases of 2013.

I'm amazed the attention AAL is getting this year with the new colors and all. All of the mfgr's cranking out the iconic 60's livery. I still would of loved to see the 717 dressed in the SWA (WN) livery when FL and WN merged this year.
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Neither manufacture took the time to clearly investigate the design of the beaver (or screwdriver) tail cone. That's was one of the failings of DW and now GJ has just insured that this rookie mistake will live on. It actually looks like they tried to copy DW's config.
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