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Old 11-05-2013, 09:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How is the Phoenix 744 mould compared to the GJ 744 mould?
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The Phoenix 744 is normally considered an inferior mould, but comes in many liveries that other manufacturers don't produce.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:12 AM   #3 (permalink)
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One of the worst in terms of accuracy.
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One of the worst in terms of accuracy.
This seems to be the stock answer about the PHX mould, but I don't think it holds true as it once did. Yes it was pretty bad in 2003-2004. I have a hard time finding major flaws in the newer ones though.

I will be the first to admit that I have not done a thorough, side-by-side analysis of it compared to the latest GJ - but I can't find where anyone else has either (at least not on here). It seems like everyone just repeats the 'wisdom' that it's the worst.

If someone could point me to a thread that demonstrates exactly *why* it's the worst, I'd be grateful.
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Larry, dennypayne, have a quick look-see @ the Learning to love the Gemini -100/-200 Mould thread; it should give you some insight.

I think the earlier PHXs were actually better (ie: KOREANs)
The earlier PHX mould (shared with GJ ? w/ pointier nose) just looked right !
Current has pudgier nose (ANA, Thai, Varig) and suffers from inconsistent cockpit windshield printing, generally bent wings, and, not to mention seams on the engines.
PHX strength is variety of liveries.

If only they took well intended pointers to heart and made corrections...

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Old 11-05-2013, 05:05 PM   #6 (permalink)
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GJ 744 is definitely better than PHX's, but PHX comes in more variety of liveries
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Gemini's 747 is definitely better than Phoenix
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:46 PM   #8 (permalink)
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If Phoenix had a good mould, there would be 20 or more 747's in my collection than what I have. Just have to pass on these great subjects of theirs because of this.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:13 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Id say the GJ 747 has better overall shape, their engine pylons are a bit chunky. The PHX isnt horrible, its passable if there is a livery you want. I have GJ, PHX, DW, Witty, BigBird, and AC 747s and they all look fine together. Only when you get close you see the difference. In all honestly the only difference form regular viewing distance is the DW landing gear.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:45 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I recently bought a GJ British Airways 747-400 and although the model looked ok, I was very dissapointed with the landing gear which dont roll and look pathetic. The PHX one on the other hand has really nice hear.......
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:00 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Just forget the PHX 747 mould >_^
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:23 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I recently bought a GJ British Airways 747-400 and although the model looked ok, I was very dissapointed with the landing gear which dont roll and look pathetic. The PHX one on the other hand has really nice hear.......
GJ landing gear look prehistoric indeed Their 777s got exactly the same landing gear too!

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Old 11-06-2013, 11:50 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I recently bought a GJ British Airways 747-400 and although the model looked ok, I was very dissapointed with the landing gear which dont roll and look pathetic. The PHX one on the other hand has really nice hear.......
to this day I cannot understand why people want these models to have wheels that roll.
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Old 11-06-2013, 04:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
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This is a topic that has long frustrated me! Let me give my synopsis of the two moulds' strengths and weaknesses:

GJ:
Strengths:
-overall fuselage shape is quite accurate
-some nice liveries
-good printing and better QC

Weaknesses:
-huge wing/body join seam
-very basic toy-like landing gear
-very crudely moulded engine pylons
-very thick winglets
-inaccurately placed windscreens

PHX:
Strengths:
-wide variety of very good liveries
-very detailed undercarriage

Weaknesses:
-poor QC
-inaccurately placed windscreens
-overly thick winglets
-slightly crude (though better than GJ) engine pylons

...I hope this helps a bit!
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Old 11-06-2013, 04:54 PM   #15 (permalink)
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to this day I cannot understand why people want these models to have wheels that roll.
Because often times, non-rolling gear looks absurd to the point of ruining the entire product. This, unfortunately, is best evidenced by Gemini's 777. It's much better to have realistic looking gear with the trade-off being that it's *just barely* (nearly imperceptibly, really) bigger than it ought to be. That's a very small price to pay for something that I consider an important part of the model. I'm much more likely to throw money at a model with rolling gear than at one without rolling gear.

Of course, you can have the best of both worlds; gear that rolls and looks awful ~ DW, Herpa, Hogan

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Old 11-06-2013, 08:47 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I have the 1st edition of 9V-SPW, its by no means a flawless mould but its not bad. The nose section and cockpit windscreens are a let down as well as the engines. I also have PH-BFG (aprox. the same time of release...). I like them both. 4/5 methinks
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Because often times, non-rolling gear looks absurd to the point of ruining the entire product. This, unfortunately, is best evidenced by Gemini's 777. It's much better to have realistic looking gear with the trade-off being that it's *just barely* (nearly imperceptibly, really) bigger than it ought to be. That's a very small price to pay for something that I consider an important part of the model. I'm much more likely to throw money at a model with rolling gear than at one without rolling gear.

Of course, you can have the best of both worlds; gear that rolls and looks awful ~ DW, Herpa, Hogan
Suppose then it's a matter of opinion...issues taken here with the crude landing gear STRUTS (not the static wheels) on the older GJ models, e.g., solid triangular blocks used instead of proper retraction arms. Heck, even some of the old DW models (A300-A330-A340-DC10-MDll-L1011-747) had some representation of detailed struts despite being generally undetailed compared to today's latest offerings. As for rolling wheels, well these often employ those awful bling-bling chrome centre inserts, of which I've never seen on a 1:1 aircraft. Again, just expressing an opinion...
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:22 AM   #18 (permalink)
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The Phoenix 747-400 mould isnt bad but the quality is clearly inferior than the A380, 777, 787 or A340/330 from the same manufacturer. Phoenix MUST do a new mold very soon.

I am surprised that the most evident detail hasnt been mentioned yet - the wing root. The model has a rounded wing root, while on the real plane its squared off. GJ isnt much better here though. And btw Phoenix makes the same mistake on the 748 model. Their 748-models are great otherwise, better than the 744, but I am always sad when I look at the wing root, which I find a very important and eyecatching detail, more than the wheels which, I agree, PX does much better than GJ.

As the 747 is probably the most well liked type of aircraft its overdue that the wing root issue is being improved as its the only fuselage detail that is massively wrong.

Until then I will stop collecting models of my favorite plane which I find very sad as over all Phoenix is my favourite model maker, all types and details counted their quality I find the best. Beside the 747 they have the best moulds, the best colours, the most exact window pattern, the best detailing.

IŽll open an own thread on the wing root issue with photos to compare.
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The phoenix 744 mold is a disaster, welcome big bird.
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Old 11-24-2013, 09:57 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I think the more pressing issue is that the doors don't open, the turbines don't rotate (hence no thrust) and the landing gear doesn't retract. How are people supposed to go into these planes and how are they supposed to fly?
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I think the more pressing issue is that the doors don't open, the turbines don't rotate (hence no thrust) and the landing gear doesn't retract. How are people supposed to go into these planes and how are they supposed to fly?
Thats not what IŽd call a helpful contribution to this thread.


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Neither is this one which doesnt say why.
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Lots of opinions......
Its a decent mould, the nose area is not quite spot on but acceptable. The range of liveries that PHX does is fantastic.
I have plenty of them - and they are really nice.
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