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Old 09-22-2013, 03:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is the Phoenix Ba Olympic livery aircraft any good? Also, is there a Gemini Jets version of it?
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Old 09-22-2013, 05:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Is the Phoenix Ba Olympic livery aircraft any good? Also, is there a Gemini Jets version of it?
Phoenix is the only one that makes that particular model in that livery, so by default it is the best. I strongly suggest learning how to use the database.
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Phoenix is the only one that makes that particular model in that livery, so by default it is the best. I strongly suggest learning how to use the database.
I'm not sure, but when I provided him with the link to the easy to use database (the old one), he said something about not being able to use it. I can't find the thread but apparently I've been told that people who don't use the US English Keyboard layout are incapable of using some site functions (like search and the Database, I don't have an idea why that would affect things like that drastically.)
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Phoenix is the only one that makes that particular model in that livery, so by default it is the best. I strongly suggest learning how to use the database.
Maybe you should use the database also...

Firefly (G-EUPC) is made by Phoenix and Aeroclassics
Dove (G-EUOH) is indeed only made by Phoenix.

But since TS asked for the "Olympic Flame" livery, it should be Firefly (G-EUPC).
That aircraft carried the Olympic torch to London
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Maybe you should use the database also...

Firefly (G-EUPC) is made by Phoenix and Aeroclassics
Dove (G-EUOH) is indeed only made by Phoenix.

But since TS asked for the "Olympic Flame" livery, it should be Firefly (G-EUPC).
That aircraft carried the Olympic torch to London
Good point, but then the database should be updated This is how I searched for it, with "olympic" in the remarks.
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G'day,

If the database isn't working here, it's an easy task in logging onto Wings900.com and doing a similar search there. The wings site does not suffer from that problem.

But I agree, rather then posting an incredibly simple question, anyone should first do a search onsite on the database. That's what the database is there for... for members to use and do research.

Jumping straight to a question on site is in many ways both more time consuming and also annoying to those of us who enjoy the hobby. If you were to ask a seriously serious question, like which BA plane was originally going to receive the Olympic colors (assuming there were originally more then one choice), then that's ok.

However asking about something already on site in the database is both pointless and annoying to others. And.. it shows a lack of respect, or laziness on behalf of the person asking the question. Besides I know you're smarter then this Gimala.

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If you are interested, I have the Dove and Firefly for sale.
Both are Phoenix.
Please PM me if interested.

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No, I'm asking if the model quality is any good.
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No, I'm asking if the model quality is any good.

Quality of the model is dependent on the collector and their choice and how they interpret the colors. Some like aeroclassics and some like Phoenix.

You really should learn to use the search function.

pl see link below and you will see the Olympic torch version picture of the model. If I remember correctly you will see the Aeroclassics version of this airframe


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No, I'm asking if the model quality is any good.
Buy it and then you will see it for yourself
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No, I'm asking if the model quality is any good.
What the hell does it matter if you're not interested in buying one? Hey, is the passenger side seat on the Bugatti Veyron comfy? I'm not interested in purchasing one at this time, just curious
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G'day,

Pretty much any 1:400 mass produced diecast model planes is going to have quality about it. Otherwise no-one would buy from them and they would go out of business.

In no particular order, the really good makers are: Aeroclassics, Gemini Jets, Phoenix, Apollo, Hogan, Herpa.

The okay makers are: JC Wings, C&C, Magic, Aviation400, Inflight400, Witty Wings, Flightline, Jet-X, Blue Box, Dragon Wings, Netmodels, Sky400, Aero de Plane, Your Craftsman,

Several of the okay makers do make some great models too, but they usually make average models. That said, all makers have unique models on the market and if you happen to collect that particular Airline or into fleet collecting, you'll buy it to complete the airline or collection and because of the need to own something unique.

Because 1:400 is relatively new in the model scene, only being around since 1998, they're isn't too many really bad models, exception to me (personally) is early Dragon Airbus models (esp A319-321) which look more toy-like then scale model. Made worse by their lack of detail in their undercarriages.

I personally own a mix of all manufactures that I've listed and often buy from the Okay list as I'm a fleet builder! The final choice is up to you, but experiment alittle, as all the above makers have both good and not so good models on the market.

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Hey, is the passenger side seat on the Bugatti Veyron comfy? I'm not interested in purchasing one at this time, just curious
Yes, most passenger side seats in cars are comfy, because nobody usually sits in them regularly, so the padding is in much better condition.

Well you did ask!

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G'day,

Pretty much any 1:400 mass produced item is going to have quality about it. Otherwise no-one would buy from them and they would go out of business.

In no particular order, the really good makers are: Aeroclassics, Gemini Jets, Phoenix, Apollo, Hogan, Herpa.

The okay makers are: JC Wings, C&C, Magic, Aviation400, Inflight400, Witty Wings, Flightline, Jet-X, Blue Box, Dragon Wings, Netmodels, Sky400, Aero de Plane, Your Craftsman,

Several of the okay makers do make some great models too, but they usually make very average models. That said, all makers have unique models on the market and if you happen to collect that particular Airline or into fleet collecting, you'll buy it to complete the need to own something unique.

Because 1:400 is relatively new in the model scene, only being around since 1998, they're isn't too many really bad models, exception to me (personally) is early Dragon Airbus models (esp A319-321) which look more toy-like then scale model. Made worse by their lack of detail in their undercarriages.

I personally own a mix of all manufactures that I've listed and often buy from thre Okay list as I'm a fleet builder! The final choice is up to you, but experiment alittle, as all the above makers have both good and not so good models on the market.

Cheers Lou
From what I see, some of those really good and decent guys wouldn't make my list though. Apollo (would be better if they just cut that disco glitter crap, after comparing with some GJs, I'm baffled by how they can't seem to get a finer paint), C&C, Magic, Jet-X (that era when they used BBX moulds heavily after Brian sold the business), Blue Box, Netmodels are all brands I myself would largely avoid unless I can get them cheap. I mean, if you get them cheap, like around $20, maybe $25 and under with what models are going for today, I guess it would be considered great, but most of these models really don't stand up too well against more developed competition, like Gemini, Pheonix, Dragon Wings and Aeroclassics.

In your "Really good" manufactures list, I really would bump Dragon Wings up, as well as JetX under the original owner as they used their moulds! Granted, they do have the worst A32X family mould, and their early 737s were nothing great either. But when you consider their 747s, DC-10s, some earlier variations of their MD-11, 727s (though I do wish the -100s had a more "elliptical" #2 intake), MD-80 (yeah, I know, the engines are a tad too small, but there is yet to be a better mould), you find that they're actually quite nice. The only thing that really holds them back to some of the newer collectors who are in love with the concept of rolling wheels is the landing gear. They look more like wheels on sticks (actually, that's what they are if you asked me), and I believe that is a large portion of their issues. I have seen people do their own workarounds though every here and there.

SMAC was another really good one I think that should be on the list, though sadly, many of the grails they made were from the horrible Zinc Pest era, so possibly by the end of the decade, if not the century, they'll likely be Zinc based dust with some lead in it.

I guess this also shows who can be classified as really good also comes down to a matter of personal taste.

The hobby is relatively young, 1:500 only really took off around 5 years before 1:400, and the big advance was models started to be Tampo Printed instead of having decals applied like their smaller 1:600 scale pieces which were popular around the time. Through the 1970s and 80s, Schabak 1:600 were fairly popular pieces to collect, albeit that market isn't as popular, it still has a healthy following (and when Schuco took over Schabak, it lead to Tampo Printing being introduced with them, that was around the time of herpa's Magic line (no relation to the 1:400 scale Magic.), which I don't think is being made anymore.)
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I am interested in buying one.
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I am interested in buying one.
Then I have one to offer you
But in your previous message you said you weren't interested in buying one... ... a bit confused...
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Then I have one to offer you
But in your previous message you said you weren't interested in buying one... ... a bit confused...
Pieter, I think the boy's confused.
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I am interested in buying one.
Yes, He said he wasn't, now says he is...I really think he posts on here just for the sake of it. Anyway sonny have you heard of Google? Because what I do is I find out what the model is...ie in this case a BA A319 G-EUPC, and then I go to www.google.com and I type that in. then I press in 'images' and as if by some form of sorcery actual pictures appear of the thing I was searching for! Then I can see for myself if the model is any good.You should try it sometime.
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Yes, He said he wasn't, now says he is...I really think he posts on here just for the sake of it. Anyway sonny have you heard of Google? Because what I do is I find out what the model is...ie in this case a BA A319 G-EUPC, and then I go to www.google.com and I type that in. then I press in 'images' and as if by some form of sorcery actual pictures appear of the thing I was searching for! Then I can see for myself if the model is any good.You should try it sometime.
thamesradar...Maybe you ort to try doing the same, tho this time use DA.C's search function to see what models Gimala has and where he currently gets them from... then you'd understand his question above..!?! A bit less smarty-pants and a bit more understanding goes a long way..!

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No that was honest advice...I'm being dead serious...I really DO use Google...because the photos a Google search yields are far more abundant than those on the DA.C database.
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After seeing some pics or getting more info, one can change his mind about buying a model. Happens to me all the time... No need to be picky about.

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It happens to me all the time too...models are expensive and so is postage, so I try to get as much info as possible about a specific model before I order it...and the best was is to see as many photos as I can of the model and also ask fellow collectors. I've been very keen on many models before but have decided against buying them after seeing photos and realising there are some printing issues or mould shape problems etc...research helps when you can't actually see the model in person before buying.
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If he wants my model, he just has to contact me...
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No, I'm trying to sell the real thing, It is now parked in my garden, but it is blocking my sun...
So my wife wants to get rid of it...
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