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Pan Am models is back with some Pan Am 707 models, which were released yesterday:



I've got two of them (-320B and -320C passenger versions with "Pan American" titles)!
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Where? Can't find them


Edit: I see, adamjets
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Waffle's got 'em, Doug
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there is only one variant available, will chill and wait.

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..... As my Aunt Marion was on the cutting edge while she was a stewardess/purser with Pan American she was on the crews of the earliest 707s, which I believe were -100s. I know she liked the 707s, cutting down on flight times. She probably flew on -320s to, but she never mentioned DC-8s. She was brand loyal to the Boeing jets.
..... She began her career on Boeing 377s so she began and ended her career on Boeing planes. When Pan Am decided she was "too old" they gave her a job guaranteed to make her want to quit, which she did with lasting bitterness. I can smell a lawsuit if that was done today. She still relished those good old days flying all over the world on the most famous airline of the day.
..... Of course I was a little kid and to me and my brothers she was our glamourous, globe-trotting Aunt Marion who saw more of the world than our young minds could comprehend. No doubt my traveling yen derived from her.
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Where? Can't find them
Edit: I see, adamjets
Look at the yellow logo seen on models pictures. You will find them there!
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I hope more shops have those soon, a little tired of adamjet's business conduct attitude which is doing you a huge favour by selling you models and taking the money from you.
It can't be that only one eshop to have these in stock.
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And so there is enough for everyone while they last, Michael's limiting the purchases to (1) model type per customer.
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The best thing about this new offering is that it leaves virginfans and his $119 price tag kinda hanging out there naked and wanting. (disclaimer - I have shelled out $99 to him before for a 1/400 Pan Am model.)
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I'm waiting for confirmation this afternoon from Hong Kong and should have more pieces available for pre-order!
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I'm waiting for confirmation this afternoon from Hong Kong and should have more pieces available for pre-order!
Man, I wish you could get more of those Pan Am Models DC-10-30 models (N80NA and N84NA). I have both, but the nose gear arrived broke on one of 'em...and the piece is so tiny it's difficult to repair/replace.
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And so there is enough for everyone while they last, Michael's limiting the purchases to (1) model type per customer.
The search engine is giving up only one: N797PA
What is with the other 5 Pan Am models?
Not found under "new arrivals" either. Where do I see all these models?
  • Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-300 N880PA 35.95 LIMITED 1 PER PERSON!
  • Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-300 N491PA 35.95 LIMITED 1 PER PERSON!
  • Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-300 N791PA 35.95 LIMITED 1 PER PERSON!
  • Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-300 N797PA 35.95 LIMITED 1 PER PERSON!
  • Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-300 N448PA 35.95
  • Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-300 N885PA 35.95 LIMITED 1 PER PERSON!
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The search engine is giving up only one: N797PA
What is with the other 5 Pan Am models?
Not found under "new arrivals" either. Where do I see all these models?
  • Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-300 N880PA 35.95 LIMITED 1 PER PERSON!
  • Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-300 N491PA 35.95 LIMITED 1 PER PERSON!
  • Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-300 N791PA 35.95 LIMITED 1 PER PERSON!
  • Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-300 N797PA 35.95 LIMITED 1 PER PERSON!
  • Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-300 N448PA 35.95
  • Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-300 N885PA 35.95 LIMITED 1 PER PERSON!
Waffle's sold out! Damn, that was like just 18 hours since he posted 'em.
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The other five indeed already sold out. When I ordered mine this morning, all six were listed under "new arrivals".

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At about 9am Central he was down to two variants, thankfully I got my order in...
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All the same, were they all of identical livery ie. wide cheatline, narrow cheatline, ???
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All the same, were they all of identical livery ie. wide cheatline, narrow cheatline, ???
Adamjets still has most of these for sale.

The releases range from "Pan Am" to "Pan American" titles, mostly passenger versions, at least one cargo, at least one with "Air Afrique" titles on it, 707-320B and 707-320C variants.
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The $119 models currently listed by VirginFans are older releases like Clipper Bonita N783PA and Clipper Yankee Ranger N418PA.


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Dave: "When Pan Am decided she was "too old" they gave her a job guaranteed to make her want to quit, which she did with lasting bitterness. I can smell a lawsuit if that was done today. She still relished those good old days flying all over the world on the most famous airline of the day."

PanAm died alone and bitterly, and I say that as a (fairly) loyal customer. My wife and I flew PanAm often to Germany in the summers of the 1970s, and you could see the airline writhing and suffering - sad. Here's to aunt Marion - they didn't deserve it. Keep 'em flying, Doug

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this was posted on airlinebuzz ...






PAMC060 Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-321CF N448PA "Jet Clipper Pacific Raider"







PAMC061 Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-321B N491PA "Jet Clipper Chariot of Fame"
NOTE: I think this is what the clipper name says (it's hard to read from the pics) ... regardless ... N491PA only ever had one name which was "Chariot of Fame"






PAMC062 Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-321C N797PA "Jet CLipper Fidelity"







PAMC063 Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-321B N880PA "Jet Clipper Emerald Isle"
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PAMC064 Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-321B N885PA "Clipper Northern Light"







PAMC065 Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-321C N791PA "Jet Clipper North Wind"
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Are these on the AV400 mould ?
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Interestingly no short titels PAN AM in basic livery
No intentions/purpose to have all, but I bought these three that are minimum required for me:
*N885PA 321B with Pan American titles for I believe this livery is most common on Bs without cargo door, super-classic.
*N791PA 321C with PAN AM with the door as these are also mega-legends, "air afrique" at the back near tail.
*N448PA cargo version, too of course.
And now my old buddies (which I spent the fortunes on), will go back into their boxes

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Interestingly no short titels PAN AM in basic livery
No intentions/purpose to have all, but I bought these three that are minimum required for me:
*N885PA 321B with Pan American titles for I believe this livery is most common on Bs without cargo door, super-classic.
*N791PA 321C with PAN AM with the door as these are also mega-legends, "air afrique" at the back near tail.
*N448PA cargo version, too of course.
And now my old buddies (which I spent the fortunes on), will go back into their boxes
First you have a nice PAA collection(love that 377).
I ordered all six as I figure it`s cheaper now then to decide down the road that I want a model that will cost me a bag of money on Ebay.
I`m just getting a PAA collection off the ground and these are a good start.
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Are these on the AV400 mould ?
AK will have a fit when he reads that! - No way!

Note that none have the "PAN AM" wing logos, worn by all Pan Am 707s above both wings. Does anyone know when they discontinued that?
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First you have a nice PAA collection(love that 377).
I ordered all six as I figure it`s cheaper now then to decide down the road that I want a model that will cost me a bag of money on Ebay.
I`m just getting a PAA collection off the ground and these are a good start.
Adamjets stocks with a tracktor trailer so the lease-desired variants will still be available for some months, I will bet my $10 on it )
As for PAA collecting, I must wish you luck (espacially with 747s) because these models are impossible to find. One thing that may speak in your favour is that I started collecting PAA 1.5 years ago when these models were already gone and inaccessible, only the hard work may increase the chances to success

Lucky those who started 10+ years ago, they had a chance to get it all the minute it was released...
below are some photos although a little old, the collection has seen more good progress since then.

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Adamjets stocks with a tracktor trailer so the lease-desired variants will still be available for some months, I will bet my $10 on it )
As for PAA collecting, I must wish you luck (espacially with 747s) because these models are impossible to find. One thing that may speak in your favour is that I started collecting PAA 1.5 years ago when these models were already gone and inaccessible, only the hard work may increase the chances to success

Lucky those who started 10+ years ago, they had a chance to get it all the minute it was released...
below are some photos although a little old, the collection has seen more good progress since then.
Very nice indeed

I`m not in a hurry.
It`ll be a backburner criteria for me and Ebay only to fill in the hardest to find gaps.
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And the 3 main liveries are now back up for ordering.

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And the 3 main liveries are now back up for ordering. No need to pay the over priced nearly 100% markup that Luis charges....
Not to mention the insane shipping charges
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And the 3 main liveries are now back up for ordering. No need to pay the over priced nearly 100% markup that Luis charges....
Well that is certainly helpful!
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Some of these hyper-limited releases are starting to irk me.

After all, should a customer have to work this hard in order to have the privilege of giving money to a manufacturer? Honestly, think about it. We're working to give them our money. And some of this going from site to site to site, plus the worrying over not getting something one really wants. It can be a bit of a bear!
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I'm sorry, a little new to the community. Who is Luis?
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Some of these hyper-limited releases are starting to irk me.

After all, should a customer have to work this hard in order to have the privilege of giving money to a manufacturer? Honestly, think about it. We're working to give them our money. And some of this going from site to site to site, plus the worrying over not getting something one really wants. It can be a bit of a bear!
How do you know that they are limited? You are maybe looking for them too early.
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Adamjets down in Miami. I've passed on a number of models on his site due to his shipping charges.
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PAMC061 Pan American World Airways Boeing 707-321B N491PA "Jet Clipper Chariot of Fame"
NOTE: I think this is what the clipper name says (it's hard to read from the pics) ... regardless ... N491PA only ever had one name which was "Chariot of Fame"
Although I can't find anything about the Air Afrique, this aircraft was delivered on 09 Feb. 69 as Chariot of Fame, she was renamed Sweet Adeline in '72.
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Some of these hyper-limited releases are starting to irk me.

After all, should a customer have to work this hard in order to have the privilege of giving money to a manufacturer? Honestly, think about it. We're working to give them our money. And some of this going from site to site to site, plus the worrying over not getting something one really wants. It can be a bit of a bear!
It's not that they are hyper-limited, it's just that the models really are selling that fast. I do the best I can to balance out the quantities to what I expect them to sell and even then you miss the ball on some of them. Other retailers just take a standing order, but the demand is there as is the ability for retailers to purchase the amounts necessary, it's almost no different then some of the Phoenix Models. It's just hard trying to guess what's going to sell out when us retailers put in our quantities for these models.
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It's not that they are hyper-limited, it's just that the models really are selling that fast. I do the best I can to balance out the quantities to what I expect them to sell and even then you miss the ball on some of them. Other retailers just take a standing order, but the demand is there as is the ability for retailers to purchase the amounts necessary, it's almost no different then some of the Phoenix Models. It's just hard trying to guess what's going to sell out when us retailers put in our quantities for these models.
Just to be clear, this was NOT aimed at any of the distributors/retailers, all of whom have been very nice to me!

It's just that it does seem that some things do tend to disappear so very quickly after they are announced. Some with good reason (limited demand should result in limited supply) but some things that are likely to be VERY good sellers still seem to be released in small numbers, such that, depending on your time zone, you could miss out on it entirely.
(Full disclosure - the Pan Ams reminded me of a Nippon Cargo I missed out on years ago, thus my rant).

Not meant to offend anyone - just expressing some past frustration.
And that Pan Am/Air Afrique looked kinda cool!
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It's a tough business...when you sell 90 of 96 pieces that you ordered within 16 hours of getting them...how do you know when to order enough...(ex Pan Am 707s) There is a great scenario...that happened last month, Aeroclassics, Phoenix & Gemini all released Iberia A330s in the same month, as a retailer how do you know how many to order of each before they even are announced and make it to the market. If you order too many of one then you're stuck with a bunch of dud inventory which is no good either. The joys of collecting toy planes...

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Just to be clear, this was NOT aimed at any of the distributors/retailers, all of whom have been very nice to me!

It's just that it does seem that some things do tend to disappear so very quickly after they are announced. Some with good reason (limited demand should result in limited supply) but some things that are likely to be VERY good sellers still seem to be released in small numbers, such that, depending on your time zone, you could miss out on it entirely.
(Full disclosure - the Pan Ams reminded me of a Nippon Cargo I missed out on years ago, thus my rant).

Not meant to offend anyone - just expressing some past frustration.
And that Pan Am/Air Afrique looked kinda cool!
There never was an "official" announcement for these PA 707s. Did you see an announcement for the recent PA C-46? This batch of 707s were not announced and as yet I suspect they will not be either but...I do know, because I did talk to the distributor, that they just began to distribute them this past weekend. What that means to you is that your usual retailer for all things that are PAMC has not yet received them yet. With the exception of some retailers located in Asia and one who gets his supply from a source located in Hong Kong. Not sure if Adams, Luis, has his supply yet or not. Just keep your pants on. There are as many of these 707s released, probably more,as there were any other "limited" models that you have seen of late. "Limited" meaning more than 200 each. I will come back to let you know if I am wrong, but for now I believe that I am right.
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It's a tough business...when you sell 90 of 96 pieces that you ordered within 16 hours of getting them...how do you know when to order enough...(ex Pan Am 707s) There is a great scenario...that happened last month, Aeroclassics, Phoenix & Gemini all released Iberia A330s in the same month, as a retailer how do you know how many to order of each before they even are announced and make it to the market. If you order too many of one then you're stuck with a bunch of dud inventory which is no good either. The joys of collecting toy planes...
Well said.
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Although I can't find anything about the Air Afrique, this aircraft was delivered on 09 Feb. 69 as Chariot of Fame, she was renamed Sweet Adeline in '72.

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It's a tough business...when you sell 90 of 96 pieces that you ordered within 16 hours of getting them...how do you know when to order enough...(ex Pan Am 707s) There is a great scenario...that happened last month, Aeroclassics, Phoenix & Gemini all released Iberia A330s in the same month, as a retailer how do you know how many to order of each before they even are announced and make it to the market. If you order too many of one then you're stuck with a bunch of dud inventory which is no good either. The joys of collecting toy planes...
Yeah, I don't envy you guys. It's a tough balancing act, admittedly.
I wouldn't do anything differently.
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Yeah, I don't envy you guys. It's a tough balancing act, admittedly.
I wouldn't do anything differently.
Considering the retailer also consider the one or maybe two levels of distributors that face the same issues because the retailers are the distributor's customers, and the distributor's are the factory's customers.
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There never was an "official" announcement for these PA 707s. Did you see an announcement for the recent PA C-46? This batch of 707s were not announced and as yet I suspect they will not be either but...I do know, because I did talk to the distributor, that they just began to distribute them this past weekend. What that means to you is that your usual retailer for all things that are PAMC has not yet received them yet. With the exception of some retailers located in Asia and one who gets his supply from a source located in Hong Kong. Not sure if Adams, Luis, has his supply yet or not. Just keep your pants on. There are as many of these 707s released, probably more,as there were any other "limited" models that you have seen of late. "Limited" meaning more than 200 each. I will come back to let you know if I am wrong, but for now I believe that I am right.
See, I was totally in agreement with everything said so far, but then there's that little comment you just made, highlighted above. That makes this business start to sound like it is an exclusive club and only if you have sources and spotters and spies can you hope to be aware of certain releases. I don't think we're there, and hopefully we won't get there.

Sometimes an announcement is a pleasant surprise, until they all sell out by the time you open the email your email at 17:00 (hey, I can't monitor this at work, I'd never get anything done). You know, the email that was sent at 12:00N and by the time you log in to get something, there are none available.

Again, I don't have a solution to this. I'm just in my b**ch and moan mood, so you can probably dismiss some portion of this. I totally feel for the distributors in this case, as noted in my previous post. It's a hard balancing act that isn't the fault of the distributor.
Perhaps the bigger shame is the imperfect balancing act by the manufacturers in estimating the demand of a particular piece.
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It probably wasn't announced because they are hoping the owner of the Pan Am brand will not notice. So-called Secret releases are such a farce - they still have to be publicized, in order for customers to find out about them.
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There is a question more interesting than political and logistical aspects discussed: wondering if this is a single "heart beat" or the PAAMC brand is back to life with more products to follow...
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Anyone care to say 'Subsidiaries".....Announcements thus arbitrary and academic.....
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Luis at Adamjets; Great selection, great service!! You can't go wrong!!
His postage rates for non-US customers are sadly insane and have completely stopped me purchasing from him whilst his pricing is nothing special either most of the time.

I hope for some more rereleases - a Pan Am DC-8-62, 727-200s and some DC-10s especially. I'd also love AC to modify the engines on their DC-8-51 to make a series 30.
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