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Old 10-13-2012, 08:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Not that new really...

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I was surprised to see this ...
I thought our "world" (diecast aircraft) was too small to be noticed ...

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Articles made after 1960 are generally considered free of the risk of zinc pest since the use of purer materials and more controlled manufacturing conditions make zinc pest degradation unlikely.[3] However, some model aircraft and AFV produced between 2001-2003 by certain brands have fallen victim to zinc pest.[citation needed]
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I wonder who / what the problem(s) in the AFV world were ?
(We know who / what the "model aircraft" refer to ... )

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Control air humidity, can solve the problem, don't worry too much about your collection.
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Control air humidity, can solve the problem...
Who told you that?

Not all problems that have been reported to occur on diecast planes are related to zinc rot (a.k.a. technically metal fatigue). But real zinc rot cannot be controlled, stopped or reversed.

Before disseminating such incorrect information - to say it polite terms - please document yourself. There is a bonanza of posts and references even on this very forum.
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Control air humidity, can solve the problem, don't worry too much about your collection.
Humidity has absolutely nothing to do with the problem.

It is solely due to a factory error when the zinc is contaminated with a different metal. This is well documented on certain models made in a particular factory in 2003.

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No need to be shy in mentioning the factory; it was the WITTY Factory.

Now they're trying to bring us Witty400 aka AV400.

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Yes it was Witty (JC´s) factory under Aeroclassics brand.... Which , at least that period, both companies used to get along and work togheter!!!
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Get your facts straight!
While Witty screwed AC with some zinc rot models, which resulted in the immediate severing of business ties when discovered, the bulk of the rot occurred on Big Bird & SMA models. The point is, it doesn't matter who's name appeared on the box; what matters is who the sleazebags & scumbags were who cheated AC, BB, & SMA. Why is it so difficult to grasp something that simple?
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I find it hilarious how companies b itch about other companies!
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Makes for some of the most entertaining reading on the forums!!!
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Get your facts straight!
While Witty screwed AC with some zinc rot models, which resulted in the immediate severing of business ties when discovered, the bulk of the rot occurred on Big Bird & SMA models. The point is, it doesn't matter who's name appeared on the box; what matters is who the sleazebags & scumbags were who cheated AC, BB, & SMA. Why is it so difficult to grasp something that simple?
This is one way to see the whole problem... Legally commercial brand is responsable for products they are selling, no matter where it was produced! The company that I work for uses contractors to run business, but if we have a problem, even if is related to contractor, we assume it including all the costs of that!
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This is one way to see the whole problem... Legally commercial brand is responsable for products they are selling, no matter where it was produced! The company that I work for uses contractors to run business, but if we have a problem, even if is related to contractor, we assume it including all the costs of that!
just like when boeing or airbus complain about their suppliers..
do the airlines charge the suppliers if there were any delays in delivery?
the same thing happens, when a flight was delayed. do we hear that the airlines ask us to complain to the airport authority, ground crew, etc?

it's a simple basic thing in customer service, and it's called ETHICS
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Get your facts straight!
While Witty screwed AC with some zinc rot models, which resulted in the immediate severing of business ties when discovered, the bulk of the rot occurred on Big Bird & SMA models. The point is, it doesn't matter who's name appeared on the box; what matters is who the sleazebags & scumbags were who cheated AC, BB, & SMA. Why is it so difficult to grasp something that simple?
You're the one who's not grasping the simple situation.

It absolutely does matter whose name is on the box. You are responsible, even for the shoddy work of your contractor.

No amount of your self-serving and obfuscating statements will change that.
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YIKES! Now I know what ZINC ROT feels like at firsthand! I was about to sell my (never displayed/never removed from it's box) Aeroclassics Pacific Western B737 to another DAC collector the other month. Much to my shock and later 'not suprised' (after reading up on the DAC about Zinc Rot models), I had to hold this model in my hands and figure out what to do next? Just wondering if Aeroclassics had reimbursed any collectors who had purchased their 'Zinc Rot' impacted models? Or was the collector = S-O-o-L? Yes, the model price was 40 Euros. Thank you, T7









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Somewhere another thread was running regarding this topic. I posted a photo of a Bachmann brand model train engine that so ravaged by rot that the entire engine warped. You have found zinc rot in a 1988 US Lincoln penny. Are you taking it back to the US mint? Your 1991 Ford develops a rust in the rear quarter panel. Are you going to return the car to Ford Motor Company?
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Somewhere another thread was running regarding this topic. I posted a photo of a Bachmann brand model train engine that so ravaged by rot that the entire engine warped. You have found zinc rot in a 1988 US Lincoln penny. Are you taking it back to the US mint? Your 1991 Ford develops a rust in the rear quarter panel. Are you going to return the car to Ford Motor Company?
Hey goldy, are saying that Aeroclassics did not reimburse any collectors who purchased a "known" batch of 'zinc rot' impacted models and that the collectors were Shi*-Out-of-Luck? Please clarify this for me. Thanks, and much appreciated! T7
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Hey goldy, are saying that Aeroclassics did not reimburse any collectors who purchased a "known" batch of 'zinc rot' impacted models and that the collectors were Shi*-Out-of-Luck? Please clarify this for me. Thanks, and much appreciated! T7
No manufacture reimbursed anyone, it was not limited to Aeroclassics.
SMAC, BiBird400 and Dragon Wings also had the same problem, yet only Aeroclassics is targeted....hmmmm......see an agenda here

I've never once seen anyone ask Dragon Wings or Gordan from SMAC to reimburse them....

The fact of the matter, the AC's, BigBird400's and SMAC's came from JC Wings factory, why not ask them to reimburse, they are the people who made the models back then!

Oh....I know why....cause everyone has a hard on for JC Wings
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No manufacture reimbursed anyone, it was not limited to Aeroclassics.
SMAC, BiBird400 and Dragon Wings also had the same problem, yet only Aeroclassics is targeted....hmmmm......see an agenda here

I've never once seen anyone ask Dragon Wings or Gordan from SMAC to reimburse them....

The fact of the matter, the AC's, BigBird400's and SMAC's came from JC Wings factory, why not ask them to reimburse, they are the people who made the models back then!

Oh....I know why....cause everyone has a hard on for JC Wings
Hmm. Please step back and take a deep breath. Where in my post do you see anything about the other manufacturers? I simply just asked a question for Aeroclassics since that was my only model in my 1/400 collection that was impacted. I was curious if one manufacturer stepped up to the plate and actually 'helped' out the collector? Since, my model was an Aeroclassics = thus, my question for Aeroclassics / Aeroclassic collectors. Hope that makes sense to you?

I do not have a "boner" for JC Wings, I have spread my models/purchases amongst most of the reputable 1/400 and 1/200 manufacturers. Mind you that was pretty funny on your part = everyone on the DAC having a 'hard on' for JC Wings. I think Johan will be flattered!

Just wanted to say thank you JustPlaneCrazy, for answering my question. Cheers! T7
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Hmm. Please step back and take a deep breath. Where in my post do you see anything about the other manufacturers? I simply just asked a question for Aeroclassics since that was my only model in my 1/400 collection that was impacted. I was curious if one manufacturer stepped up to the plate and actually 'helped' out the collector? Since, my model was an Aeroclassics = thus, my question for Aeroclassics / Aeroclassic collectors. Hope that makes sense to you?

I do not have a "boner" for JC Wings, I have spread my models/purchases amongst most of the reputable 1/400 and 1/200 manufacturers. Mind you that was pretty funny on your part = everyone on the DAC having a 'hard on' for JC Wings. I think Johan will be flattered!

Just wanted to say thank you JustPlaneCrazy, for answering my question. Cheers! T7
Nah, don't need to take a deep breath, just stating facts!

And yes, I'm sure JC loves his little wiener stroked by you guys

You would think he would reimburse you for his factories mistakes, but guess not......bend over
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Hey JustPlaneCrazy,

That is too bad, collectors didn't get reimbursed by the manufacturers that rolled out 'zinc rotted' models. Oh well, part of the risk of this hobby.

Please, keep your replies to me (T7_4ever) and not bring in other DAC collectors; when it concerns my original post about my zinc rotted aeroclassics model. There is no need to change topic and talk about JC or other manufacturers here. I would have commended any manufacturer who did the "right thing" with their 'zinc rot' models and either refund the collectors money or exchange it for another model.

You seem very upset and defensive with my question, as it pertained to Aeroclassics. Again, my only zinc rotted model was from Aeroclassics = per pictures above.

Also, go through the DAC and you'll see there is no mention of me personally attacking any model manufacturer for the quality of their respective models. (oops = I did slag Hobby Master with their 1/200 AA MD-11 ) I had about 100 Aeroclassic models in my collection, prior to selling a bunch on the DAC and at the Toronto Airliner's Collectibles shows; so as you can see I like Aeroclassics.

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Hey JustPlaneCrazy,

That is too bad, collectors didn't get reimbursed by the manufacturers that rolled out 'zinc rotted' models. Oh well, part of the risk of this hobby.

Please, keep your replies to me (T7_4ever) and not bring in other DAC collectors; when it concerns my original post about my zinc rotted aeroclassics model. There is no need to change topic and talk about JC or other manufacturers here. I would have commended any manufacturer who did the "right thing" with their 'zinc rot' models and either refund the collectors money or exchange it for another model.

You seem very upset and defensive with my question, as it pertained to Aeroclassics. Again, my only zinc rotted model was from Aeroclassics = per pictures above.

Also, go through the DAC and you'll see there is no mention of me personally attacking any model manufacturer for the quality of their respective models. (oops = I did slag Hobby Master with their 1/200 AA MD-11 ) I had about 100 Aeroclassic models in my collection, prior to selling a bunch on the DAC and at the Toronto Airliner's Collectibles shows; so as you can see I like Aeroclassics.

Cheers! T7
It is on topic, Aeroclassics where made in the JC factory at that time, it WAS JC who made your model.

Not defensive or upset, just stating facts!
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Hi JustPlaneCrazy,

Thank you for enlightening me about the past partnership between JC and AK. Maybe the box should have stated = Designed by Aeroclassics; and made by JC Wings.

Oh well, I'll consider myself lucky that I only had 1 zinc rotted model. Feel kinda bad for other collectors who had more than 1 zinc rotted model in their collection.

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Hi T7, it really is a shame.

I know you look after your planes with great care, so I will not put any blame at your door.

I also find it quite interesting on how the companies who markets these models blames another party, whether it is another licensed/unlicensed manufacturer or supplier of raw materials, is immaterial in my view as that excuse does seem a bit disingenuous.

I can relate it for instance to a problem with an iPhone. I don't really care which electronics company made the electronic components inside the device. If it breaks, then Apple has to step up to the plate as they sold the phones under their brand name. Thus, as soon as they realize that their batteries are not good, they recall and replace them.

The same should have happened in this case. As soon as it was discovered that 'some' of the models had the potential of Zink rot, then the company whose brand name it was released under should have put measures in place to either recall and replace all models with ones which will not contain the zink rot.

Alternatively they should have put a program in place where they manufactured and then kept in stock a certain number of 'spares' in order to replace one's which do later appear to suffer from the condition. A condition could have been that the faulty model must be send back to them.

Yes, it would have cost a lot of money, but that is part of doing business and a brand name should really care about the image it portrays.

Model airplanes are in effect just a fancy piece of shaped metal with some fancy print on them. A reasonable person would thus expect it to last a lifetime if looked after. I don't recall reading on any box that these planes are liable to 'expire' after a fixed time period (planned obsolescence).

Sometimes I wonder if these businesses really care what their customers think about them, and sometimes it appears that they are only interested in making a buck as a good capitalist company does.

I just hope that none of the various manufacturers models I have in my collection decide in future to self-destruct :-(
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What I find strange is that collectors get their balls in a twist over something that happened around 10 years ago. Hey most of the Dinky pre-war produced models turned to dust, how about raising that as a topic as well. You guys really need to spent more time outdoors as opposed to being glued to a forum.
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@r3500vdp,

It is not the way you so quaintly put it.

These models don't just fall from trees. Some of us have to earn a living in order to have the funds to buy these models. One would expect them to last a very long time indeed.

Also, this is the natural place to chat to people who share this hobby. There are no other collectors in my area with which I can share my views. Indeed, that is why this is an online forum - to share information/ideas/views.

You also do realize that by you commenting on this topic, you place yourself in the same forum boat. So your last sentence does not really make sense.

I don't want to get involved in an online flame war. This is just a topic which pops up every now and then, and what I and other are trying to convey is the attitude of the manufacturers to their customers. This is our only voice we have.

There is a lot of praise for some models, but if others fall short then surely we have a right to voice our opinions about it?
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About something that happened 10 years back? Sure go ahead, I'll sit back and enjoy the show in that case.
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Not!! Mine are in great shape after >60 years, and counting...
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No manufacture reimbursed anyone, it was not limited to Aeroclassics.
SMAC, BiBird400 and Dragon Wings also had the same problem, yet only Aeroclassics is targeted....hmmmm......see an agenda here

I've never once seen anyone ask Dragon Wings or Gordan from SMAC to reimburse them....

The fact of the matter, the AC's, BigBird400's and SMAC's came from JC Wings factory, why not ask them to reimburse, they are the people who made the models back then!

Oh....I know why....cause everyone has a hard on for JC Wings
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Hi T7, it really is a shame.

I know you look after your planes with great care, so I will not put any blame at your door.

I also find it quite interesting on how the companies who markets these models blames another party, whether it is another licensed/unlicensed manufacturer or supplier of raw materials, is immaterial in my view as that excuse does seem a bit disingenuous.

I can relate it for instance to a problem with an iPhone. I don't really care which electronics company made the electronic components inside the device. If it breaks, then Apple has to step up to the plate as they sold the phones under their brand name. Thus, as soon as they realize that their batteries are not good, they recall and replace them.

The same should have happened in this case. As soon as it was discovered that 'some' of the models had the potential of Zink rot, then the company whose brand name it was released under should have put measures in place to either recall and replace all models with ones which will not contain the zink rot.

Alternatively they should have put a program in place where they manufactured and then kept in stock a certain number of 'spares' in order to replace one's which do later appear to suffer from the condition. A condition could have been that the faulty model must be send back to them.

Yes, it would have cost a lot of money, but that is part of doing business and a brand name should really care about the image it portrays.

Model airplanes are in effect just a fancy piece of shaped metal with some fancy print on them. A reasonable person would thus expect it to last a lifetime if looked after. I don't recall reading on any box that these planes are liable to 'expire' after a fixed time period (planned obsolescence).

Sometimes I wonder if these businesses really care what their customers think about them, and sometimes it appears that they are only interested in making a buck as a good capitalist company does.

I just hope that none of the various manufacturers models I have in my collection decide in future to self-destruct :-(
In your last paragraph you are applying western business mentality to eastern business practices. Chinese business really does not care what their customers think about them. And their only interested in making a buck, cheap. Who puts cement in tooth paste, or baby food? My son lives now in Taiwan. Which is also China. That which is advertised as "beef" hamburger is more often than not, pork.

I contracted with a factory in China to make for me 100 1:400 planes. They took my order and proceeded to make 200 planes. Two problems. First the windows were too high and second they made 100 too many. No matter they wanted me to buy all 200 misprinted models. I refused the order. They got mad at me and said never to order again. I now see those planes sold to someone else and chances are one of you fine collectors has one of them now included in your collection. This is China. Do not try to apply your western business logic to them.
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What I find strange is that collectors get their balls in a twist over something that happened around 10 years ago. Hey most of the Dinky pre-war produced models turned to dust, how about raising that as a topic as well. You guys really need to spent more time outdoors as opposed to being glued to a forum.

Hmmm. I put this model away for storage and had no reason to retrieve it until someone on the DAC was looking for an Aeroclassics Pacific Western B737 a few months back.

http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tern-b737.html

I being a helpful DAC member who has responded to many 'Wanted' threads and fulfilled many DAC collectors with their model requests, pulled this specific model out of storage. To my shock = I finally experienced zinc rot, sorry I wasn't part of the DAC 10 years back as you mentioned above.

Also, I just finished playing 2 hours of tennis (outdoors) at my Tennis Club, and I don't consider myself being glued to the DAC 24/7. Lastly, my question = has been answered by JustPlaneCrazy; the reply = I am Shi* Out of Luck; I've accepted that and have moved on without critizing/insulting any manufacturer!

I have another hobby related thing to focus on = organize my Toronto: Planes, Trains, and Automobiles Collectibles show for May 25th. Promotion of the event, Line up the vendors, pick out 'plane' and 'car' diecast model prizes for the hourly raffle (no way I am giving away trains!! hee hee), etc.. , I am holding and spearheading this event, because the last 2 YYZ Airliner shows that were scheduled in April were cancelled in 2011 and 2012. Also, if I can get other young kids/teens to pick up our hobby in this age of video games and social networking, I would consider the show a success. Cheers! T7

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What I find strange is that collectors get their balls in a twist over something that happened around 10 years ago. Hey most of the Dinky pre-war produced models turned to dust, how about raising that as a topic as well. You guys really need to spent more time outdoors as opposed to being glued to a forum.
So when your collection turns to dust, I look forward to seeing you take it like a man. Perhaps it will be non-event for those that don't have balls to get twisted.
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So when your collection turns to dust, I look forward to seeing you take it like a man. Perhaps it will be non-event for those that don't have balls to get twisted.
It seems everything has a life span. Be a rock, wood, plants, metal. So have we established the life span of a die cast airplane? Zinc. I have read that zinc has a corrosion rate that will allow 70 to 100 years life span. I'd think that our Dinky Toys will reduce to dust before our die cast planes will. In the end they all will deteriorate I suspect.
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Usual bollocks from the back benches.

That picture is pretty damning .......

I lost :
SMAC 737 delta and Olympic
Big shooter ANA 744
Big Bird Disney Sea 744

All stuffed and I'm pretty annoyed....$200 worth of models down the drain.

AC is not immune from criticism here are neither are the others...your product-your responsibility.
Can't do much now as the horse has bolted but let it be a lesson to manufacturers to have ownership of their QC.

To those defending AC, your argument is pretty lame and pictures speak for themselves.
Anyway Andrew Klein has spoken about this subject and we should learn from this ....

And about JC wings....their models are getting pretty damn good...their 1:200's are stunning and worth my $$$. Still some tweaking in the 1:400 arena but kudos for trying....
And yes I am an AC supporter.... Difference being I don't slag off their competitors....

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Get your facts straight!
While Witty screwed AC with some zinc rot models, which resulted in the immediate severing of business ties when discovered, the bulk of the rot occurred on Big Bird & SMA models. The point is, it doesn't matter who's name appeared on the box; what matters is who the sleazebags & scumbags were who cheated AC, BB, & SMA. Why is it so difficult to grasp something that simple?
And its your brand that is on the box, so it is you who should face the music. Is that not the common thing to do to protect your brand and name? Thats what happens in my line of work.

You just sound like someone who has no idea and will blame everyone including your mother for something that is still your fault. Are you a man or a ****ing pu$sy ?
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I guess the answer is what you see in the supermarket, sell by and expiry dates put on the boxes!!!
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It seems everything has a life span. Be a rock, wood, plants, metal. So have we established the life span of a die cast airplane? Zinc. I have read that zinc has a corrosion rate that will allow 70 to 100 years life span. I'd think that our Dinky Toys will reduce to dust before our die cast planes will. In the end they all will deteriorate I suspect.
I won't care if all my models explode like dandelion puffs when I'm gone...I just don't want it happening while I have them. Interesting how the rot affects these models...some have wings that crack, or just the tail, or just the fuselage...or in the case of one of my models, just the right MLG. All depends on what part they fished out of the parts bin that got contaminated. This is still a fairly isolated incident...2002-2003, the JC factory and only one particular batch of zamak, apparently.
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Update your browser and you might see something......

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And its your brand that is on the box, so it is you who should face the music. Is that not the common thing to do to protect your brand and name? Thats what happens in my line of work.

You just sound like someone who has no idea and will blame everyone including your mother for something that is still your fault. Are you a man or a ****ing pu$sy ?
Fukk off you azzhole!!!! My mother died of cancer, and I don't need you bringing her into your demented mindset or screwed up agenda.
As a human being, you have no worth, and your mind is more diseased than the zinc which has rotted.
Lance, you are a disgusting piece of mierda, and deserve no better than the vulgarity I will hurl your way!!
You are beneath contempt, and completely out of order, and anyone else on this forum siding with him on this will earn the same
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The zinc rot issue has been addresses ad nausium. If you wish to complain, you may contact WITTY INDUSTRIAL CO. LTD.

Before you buy their next product, you may remember who willfully tainted the metal on their customer's product, while spinning out their own competing product.

AC has re-released the majority of those affected models, and those who did ask, were given complimentary replacements. That is a fact. Now it's history, and we will not discuss it any further.
While some of you run to continue to support the culprits, it is you who actually bear the blame. Those sleazebags should be condemned, not supported, but I understand that some of you are morally bankrupt, and can think no other way.
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@everyone (including myself as I know my own demons quite well)
Wow. People sure can get quite hot under the collar and say nasty things.
Time to step back, relax and re-focus.

Don't turn personal, it solves nothing and you are the only one getting high blood pressure and all. Some people thrive on conflict.

@AKlein, we all know it happened a long time ago. I am sure the other side of the coin was that Witty could claim that it was not intentional on their side, but that their suppliers provided them with contaminated metal ingots to start with or a disgruntled employee or even an honest mistake.

Whatever, the reasons and whoever did it, it happened over 10 years ago.
That all indeed is water under the bridge. So the good thing which came out of this is that quality control at the Witty factory (on the metal side at least) have been stepped up as we haven't had the same problem again (yet/as far as I know).

But I think the gist of what some of us were saying here is what of those of us who bought something and put it in a cupboard and only realize now that the item fell to pieces. What are our options now?

I notice that you said that you did supply replacements to those who asked. Some here weren't on the internet or DAC back then. Some only now discover the problem, and it is a handful of people at the most. How can you help them out? You should see it as a compliment if people complain about your product as it means they don't want it to fall apart and they really enjoy it. It will just make good business sense to aid these people.

I have plenty of AeroClassics in my collection (which you can verify from my signature below). I also have a lot of other manufacturers. I honestly enjoy them all. Warts and all. Beauties and beasties.

Personally, I don't look at the models through a magnifying glass and compare them with pictures of the real thing. To me the model is just a 'representation' of what the real thing would have been. It will spoil the hobby for me if I really went into fine detail. Sacrilegious some might say. But that is my view and outlook on life. Nothing is perfect, and if I can focus on the good then my life is so much more enjoyable.

I do hope you and other brands continue to release more good models. I also hope that the manufacturers start listening to the collectors more too.

PS. Really sorry about your mother, it is a tragedy and a loss and sometimes hard to find acceptance. Everyone will have to deal with loss at some times in their lives.
All advise I can provide is : Focus on the good times and live your life to the fullest, and don't let others spoil your enjoyment.
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I don't agree with Mathieu's statement and that's simply because I don't like his screen persona.
I digress, yesterday I got to research whether Australian Law would uphold some of the arguments here and...

Fitness for Purpose,
Of good and merchantable quality,
description of goods received meets that advertised, etc

No manufacturer or retailer can limit or exclude their obligations to warrant and make good by repair, refund or re-supply however, in the absence of a stated warranty period by the manufacturer, the Statue of Limitations applies which is 7 years. Effectively, this debate will go on forever but there won't (and Andrew isn't legally obligated in Australia anyways) to have to continually face the accusations. But humans being humans, this thread will go on and on like any other because people will continue to feed it.
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Todd,
I was hoping for something exciting rather than that old gif.

PS - I won't be thrilled if models start turning to dust but I suspect I'll be pizzed for a period of time and then get over it same as I have when I've sold a model, regretted it for a short time and then forget that I even had the model in the first place.
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I was hoping for something exciting rather than that old gif.
Yeah, I need to find a new one but the one above is still funny!

On another note, I suppose a person who has a 10 year old model that goes to dust that he spent maybe
$25-$30 is also mad when their 10 year old jeans need replacing,
I guess they must head over to the Levi forum and complain

I've had a couple models from that era crumble, I just tossed them and moved on, in the grand scheme of life,
not worth getting so upset over.

Most people spend more on a nice dinner than what a model costs, and the food/enjoyment is gone by morning.
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Yeah, I need to find a new one but the one above is still funny!

On another note, I suppose a person who has a 10 year old model that goes to dust that he spent maybe
$25-$30 is also mad when their 10 year old jeans need replacing,
I guess they must head over to the Levi forum and complain

I've had a couple models from that era crumble, I just tossed them and moved on, in the grand scheme of life,
not worth getting so upset over.

Most people spend more on a nice dinner than what a model costs, and the food/enjoyment is gone by morning.
Yep. And that nice dinner still turns to **** (aka "poo") by the next day. Like I said before, even a rock does not last forever.
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[QUOTE=JustPlaneCrazy;1027794]Yeah, I need to find a new one but the one above is still funny!
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I want those glasses. Reckon it would make me look 20 years younger!
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In my standpoint, The metal was alloy, but the factory can not confirm the percentage composition. so when the environment have changed( like humidity ), some kinds of reactions will happen, we call them galvanic reactions.
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