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Old 06-18-2012, 02:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Sorry if this has been brought up before, but would anybody else like to see any Braniff Ultras in 1:400? If we're getting all of this fantasy Braniff A380 and L-1011 junk, can't we get something that actually existed? Maybe the exact color tone would be too hard to replicate, and then the models mine as well be scrap. Here's some pictures I found:



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Old 06-18-2012, 06:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Since I am getting out of 1:200 and sold my 2 IF 200 Braniff Ultra 8's and getting back into 1:400 I would love to see them done in 1:400.
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I have a nice collection of 1/400 Braniff and these would complete the series! These are the best that Braniff ever looked. Why they have not been done is beyond me.
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AMEN!

Glad to see another fan of the Ultra scheme!!!

I can't understand how we've had every Jellybean, every Flying Colors, Braniff II, and even the El Dorado versions, but not one single Ultra in 1/400.

It's especially interesting because:
1) This is the last scheme Braniff wore. I would think that most of the people in the collectorate who have any personal recollection of Braniff (gotta be at least 30-something) saw the Ultras. The pattern with defunct carriers is to do the last scheme - it's the one seen most recently.

Now, it could be said that only the glory-days schemes are done, but when there are multiple schemes, eventually, they all get done. Except, so far, the case of Ozark, which does not have a deliver-scheme version available yet; and Republic, for which we don't have their last scheme.

2) Consistency. If I am not mistaken, there are very few gaps like this in which an entire scheme is missing from the portfolio.

3) The manufacturers like selling multiples. Look at all Jellybeans. Look a the BA World Tails. The only thing better for a model manufacturer than a merger is a carrier with lots of schemes.

4) They're just plan elegant!

So why no love for the Ultras?

Btw, where's the black one and the lighter green? (ok, admittedly, the lighter green that I saw in 1982 may have simply been faded.)
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Glad to see another fan of the Ultra scheme!!!

I can't understand how we've had every Jellybean, every Flying Colors, Braniff II, and even the El Dorado versions, but not one single Ultra in 1/400.
Agreed that we desperately need standard Ultras but its not quite true to say there are none as there are several Ultra 747s in 1:400. I have an Orange GJ 747 for starters.
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Personally, I'm dying to replacate the May 13, 1982 scene at DFW. Of course, I'd need many, many Ultras. And, of course, it might drive my wife batty!
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As attractive as the poster in the first reply is, it doesn't even come close to reflecting the true appearance of the colors. The blue, green, and brown were very dark and metallic in appearance. Airways Classics magazine has some very good pictures in a special they about Braniff a few years ago. They have also featured a special mag on AS & WN. I agree they were the most attractive of the Braniff schemes and would like to see some done in 1:400.
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Personally, I'm dying to replacate the May 13, 1982 scene at DFW. Of course, I'd need many, many Ultras. And, of course, it might drive my wife batty!
That would be kinda cool, albeit a bit morbid.

You're gonna need about 50 models to recreate that picture. The good news is that some of those were still in the Flying Colors scheme, and those have already been made, and there are probably still some available out there.
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That would be kinda cool, albeit a bit morbid.

You're gonna need about 50 models to recreate that picture. The good news is that some of those were still in the Flying Colors scheme, and those have already been made, and there are probably still some available out there.
The famous picture shows 50 aircraft, but I suspect the total would be about 60 to cover the far side of the terminal. About 10 in the picture seem to be carrying the Flying Colors liveries. The kicker is that the DC-8s were over at Love Field (Ohhh...ANOTHER scene to do!).

As a historian by training, I don't consider the scene "morbid" though. It was a sad day for aviation, but I think the sudden death far better than the morbid, piece by piece dismanteling that some airlines have gone through when they've "merged" (aka Northwest & Continental).

** Edit: At the time of closure, Braniff owned 59 727's (35 Ultras, 23 Flying Colors, and 1 Dallas Cowboys), 8 DC-8's (at Love Field) and 3 747's.

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As a BN collector, my fleet covers all mfgs, but most came from Jet-X back in the 90's. They kept focused on BN and turned out dozens and dozens of Braniff models. Some of my favorites also come from AC. Andrew has a huge group of 8-62's that have joined the party.
In regards to the ultra's; very tricky colors. Reference is a bit tough to find for color matching and must be approached very carefully with color standards derived from Pantone and common sense. As author of the DC-8-62 print above, I found "Sparkling Burgundy", "Perseus green", and "Terra Cotta", the toughest colors to get close to actual.That art was done back in 2009, so perhaps a little layout and updating is in order.
Braniff Ultra?, hell yeah....would be great to see AC take his best shot as his mould, which is excellent, provides the right canvas to begin with.
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Braniff Ultra?, hell yeah....would be great to see AC take his best shot as his mould, which is excellent, provides the right canvas to begin with.
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C'mon Andrew, Rock it!

As much as I would love this to happen.... I bet Andrew fears that it would not be a good seller. With that said, please take a chance. Braniff Ultra is still the "holy grail" of 1/400.
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As much as I would love this to happen.... I bet Andrew fears that it would not be a good seller. With that said, please take a chance. Braniff Ultra is still the "holy grail" of 1/400.
I don't really understand these fears and AC did just put out more Flying Colors Eights after all. I'd have though that like a series of MD80s (not that Jet-X mould) they'd be great sellers.
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The famous picture shows 50 aircraft, but I suspect the total would be about 60 to cover the far side of the terminal. About 10 in the picture seem to be carrying the Flying Colors liveries. The kicker is that the DC-8s were over at Love Field (Ohhh...ANOTHER scene to do!).

As a historian by training, I don't consider the scene "morbid" though. It was a sad day for aviation, but I think the sudden death far better than the morbid, piece by piece dismanteling that some airlines have gone through when they've "merged" (aka Northwest & Continental).
My bad. "Morbid" wasn't the right word. Sad is the correct sentiment I was aiming for. It was a sad day for a once great airline. And for the industry as well.
I had wondered where the DC-8s were. Love Field? Fascinating. I'll have to look for that other picture.

I see your point about mergers and the gradual erosion of familiar imagery. Of course, in case of, say, Continental, for example, the logo and scheme remained but the name changed. Just using that as an example.

I wonder which is more traumatic - having both carriers images evaporate (DL and NW) into a new image, or one carrier enveloping the other (UA and CO) Or having the carrier completely disappear (BN, EA, PA). Pan Am is a different and morbid (and this time I do mean morbid) kind of torture. TO have a shall of a carrier use the legendary PA styleset over and over again is just plain painful.
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I would like to clarify something. I was not trying to be insulting at all about B2707300ST's art work. I thought enough of it to down load it on some photo paper when I first saw this a couple of years ago on the internet. The art work is beautiful. I had driven some of these 727's and had helped work on the 8's when I was working in BN's Maint. Dept. years ago, consequently having some vivid memories about some of these a/c. These colors are extremely hard to capture correctly with a camera versus the naked eye. Sparkling Burgandy was only used on N404BN as an experiment. Rumor was that had BN stayed together eventually all the a/c would have been painted in that color over the years. A company named Air Jet made some 200:1 models in the late 70's and early 80's which were pretty accurate depictions of what these colors really appeared like in real life. I have a Light Blue and a Terra Cotta 727 still. That all being said I would sure love to see some Ultra 727's and DC8's in the market place.
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No worries Beeninone, I'm not insulted. Ultra color standards are a tough call. They took a lot of trial and error to R&D them.

The 727-200's by Nick Napp are really well done. I've seen his 727-200 copied line for line by another artist, it doesn't come close to Nick's work.
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I had driven some of these 727's and had helped work on the 8's when I was working in BN's Maint. Dept. years ago, consequently having some vivid memories about some of these a/c. These colors are extremely hard to capture correctly with a camera versus the naked eye. Sparkling Burgandy was only used on N404BN as an experiment. Rumor was that had BN stayed together eventually all the a/c would have been painted in that color over the years.
Interesting, I was unaware of the rumor, and always questioned why just one a/c was painted in Sparkling Burgandy. It makes sense though, given what I remember reading of the interiors of the aircraft. Alas, what was my favorite Ultra scheme would not be represented in the May diorama, the plane departed BI in March of '82.
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My bad. "Morbid" wasn't the right word. Sad is the correct sentiment I was aiming for. It was a sad day for a once great airline. And for the industry as well.
I had wondered where the DC-8s were. Love Field? Fascinating. I'll have to look for that other picture.

I see your point about mergers and the gradual erosion of familiar imagery. Of course, in case of, say, Continental, for example, the logo and scheme remained but the name changed. Just using that as an example.

I wonder which is more traumatic - having both carriers images evaporate (DL and NW) into a new image, or one carrier enveloping the other (UA and CO) Or having the carrier completely disappear (BN, EA, PA). Pan Am is a different and morbid (and this time I do mean morbid) kind of torture. TO have a shall of a carrier use the legendary PA styleset over and over again is just plain painful.




True, but does a similar picture of BI's DC-8s exist?
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I haven't come across a photo from that time period at Love Field. However, Braniff was using a couple of gates for flights to Houston post Jan '74. Not sure if the BI maintenance hanger was still owned by the company in '82, but if it was, you can be sure that a couple of planes were parked there, and another one or two on the ramp outside.

Still hopefull that a picture exists, and that I can turn one up. If anyone knows of one, I'd hope that they let me know.

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Braniff did own the Maint. facility at Love at that time, so there was probably some a/c there going through some phase of overhaul at that time. The facility was then purchased by DALFORT which was the parent company of Braniff 2 and aircraft were repaired there. Since I haven't lived in DAL in over 30 years I don't really know if DALFORT still owns it or even exists any more. I worked in that facility when I was affiliated with their Maint. dept in 80 & 81
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Yeah, Dalfort still owns the hangar.

At the time of the shutdown, I believe the DC-8s were all based out of Lima, and were given orders to go into ferry mode and head to Dallas. Landing at Love would seem to be the ideal when DFW was being overwhelmed with aircraft.
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BatteryH: I think I'm getting old and senile to remember all the details regarding the shutdown. If I'm not mistaken the Sough American routes had been sold to Eastern prior to the shutdown so I don't know how BN utilized the 8s from the time of the route sale until shutdown. I left the company about a year prior to the shutdown. Interestingly to me, I was commuting on an EAL 727 to work at BN2 and the Captain said he had done all the proving routes in South America so EAL could get FAA certification to fly there and he asked me about procedures that he had been unable to find paper work for from BN. I told him that various things were passed on between crews verbally from experience consequently in some areas there was no paper trail. Most of the crews from Miami had flown in South America for many years.
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As I recall, the deal to sell the Latin American Division had already been reached between BN and Eastern, but was to be effective June 1. In fact, Putnam informed Borman at Eastern that he only had hours to get planes in the air, once the Bankrupcy was filed in US Court, the Latin American countries would seize any assets of Braniff that remained, including routes and airport slots that may have been sold, but were unflown. That the LAD was making money was apparent to Borman, but not so to Putnam - the books were being cooked to avoid stiff taxes in Peru. At the time, BN was flying all their DC8s out of their LAD, I suppose because of the "hot and high" conditions at Lima.
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AMEN!

Glad to see another fan of the Ultra scheme!!!

I can't understand how we've had every Jellybean, every Flying Colors, Braniff II, and even the El Dorado versions, but not one single Ultra in 1/400.

It's especially interesting because:
1) This is the last scheme Braniff wore. I would think that most of the people in the collectorate who have any personal recollection of Braniff (gotta be at least 30-something) saw the Ultras. The pattern with defunct carriers is to do the last scheme - it's the one seen most recently.

Now, it could be said that only the glory-days schemes are done, but when there are multiple schemes, eventually, they all get done. Except, so far, the case of Ozark, which does not have a deliver-scheme version available yet; and Republic, for which we don't have their last scheme.

2) Consistency. If I am not mistaken, there are very few gaps like this in which an entire scheme is missing from the portfolio.

3) The manufacturers like selling multiples. Look at all Jellybeans. Look a the BA World Tails. The only thing better for a model manufacturer than a merger is a carrier with lots of schemes.

4) They're just plan elegant!

So why no love for the Ultras?

Btw, where's the black one and the lighter green? (ok, admittedly, the lighter green that I saw in 1982 may have simply been faded.)

Wow! I'm so glad this thread was started! Personally, Braniff's "Ultra" Livery is favorite of all time in this world. And like you said, "they're just plain elegant". Is there any word if these will eventually be done? Aero Classics? Gemini? I'll get every color in the 727/72S/747SP (74L).
I've even thought about having a couple fantasy or custom Braniff models done in this livery: M11, 76W, 75W, A319, 739ER, 762ER, 77E.

Was this livery always known as "Ultra". I thought they called it the "Calder Livery/Scheme"?
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As much as it has been talked about, Braniff for some is an "ear-sore", but as a more of mature collector/enthusiast, it never gets boring. As for your interest in the hobby, the avatar says it all!
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