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Old 02-22-2012, 12:45 AM   #1
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I just received this model from a person in Hong Kong who shall remain nameless until the problem is resolved. The Air New Zealand 747-200 was for sale on a website with bubbling on the wing(s). This, I was prepared for. But when I picked the parcel up from the Post Office, it was ratteling. Not a good sign. Upon opening the parcel, I saw the damage, one of the wings didnt just have bubbling, it was snapped in half, the tail and one of the stabilizers had both come out and have caused minor damage to the paint job. Both of the antena* have broken off the ends of the wings to (sorry I don't know the technical term and Im a terrible speller)
What I am after is some thoughts on wether the bubbling on/in the wings may have weakened the metal resulting in the broken wing or wether it was like this prior to shipping. I should have mentioned that the packaging was un damaged. Blister and box as standard, then bubble wrap and then that green waxy paper that most of my models from Hong Kong come in. As they don't do returns, I have requested a refund or replacement. Any thoughts ?
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you should be able to fix the tail with some glue. Not idea how to fix the wing though. Does it look like zinc rot? Those 'antenna' things are called canoe fairings which support the flaps when they are deployed =P
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you should be able to fix the tail with some glue. Not idea how to fix the wing though. Does it look like zinc rot? Those 'antenna' things are called canoe fairings which support the flaps when they are deployed =P
I have no idea what zinc rot looks like but I am about to do some hunting online to find out. I actually meant the antenna on the very end of the wings, the wing tip? where the winglets on a 744 are. But thanks for the canoe fairings, as I had no idea what they were called either haha
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what's the make of the model? best to salvage the engines, buy a cheap version of that 747 type, dismantle the bases or carefully remove the wings of both models, and replace them. if it is zinc rot, just fingers crossed that it is the material used in your wings only, if the problem is the die-cast metal itself on the fuselage, just be aware of bubbling paint problems that may come up over the years, as this can turn into a serious problem and deem your model useless. I have a dilemma with landing gears on my Flying Colors Nalanji 743 (fairly damaged around that area, way i received it, i didn't break it, just got it in the mail yesterday) so I feel your pain mate. Hopefully my idea is of some help to you.
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cheers bud, yeah thats a good idea too. If the supplier fails to replace or refund I will look at it. The make is Magic Model, so its not as if I spent any great deal of money on it. But its more to do with why and how it is broken. And obviously either replacement or refund. Thanks for your input
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:03 AM   #6
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Oh okay. It's not Zinc Rot. Magic has problems when it comes to applying the decals on the wings, it's just because they placed it on badly, and the paint job could have bubbles as they didn't clean the surface before painting it. In some cases, Magic are Blue Box Rejects. I have seen this for myself, if you want one without those problems for cheap, best to ask for a BlueBox version (if they exist).
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Oh okay. It's not Zinc Rot. Magic has problems when it comes to applying the decals on the wings, it's just because they placed it on badly, and the paint job could have bubbles as they didn't clean the surface before painting it. In some cases, Magic are Blue Box Rejects. I have seen this for myself, if you want one without those problems for cheap, best to ask for a BlueBox version (if they exist).
Legend !! thanks mate. The hunt begins
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I have a Big bird 747-200 ZK-NZV with missing antenna on one wing tip. Not sure if this helps you for parts but could sell to you fairly cheaply in NZ dollars if it helps.
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you should be able to fix the tail with some glue. Not idea how to fix the wing though. Does it look like zinc rot? Those 'antenna' things are called canoe fairings which support the flaps when they are deployed =P
I think the chap is referring to the VHF antennae on the 747 classic's wingtips...?

Jeez, damage like that is very extensive, particularly the snapped wing...I'm sorry to hear it. I personally have learned my limitations when trying to repair broken diecasts...I don't really attempt it unless its just a matter of putting a bit of glue on a tail fin or wing that's slid out of its slot...unfortunately in 1:400, every little repair shows up as a HUGE flaw unless you're really talented at modelling.

It sounds to me like the damage was caused by the model rattling around during its passage through the mail system.
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Just bear in mind that the Magic/BBX models may not come with those Antenna's. Refer to the database.
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Sorry, but a Magic model is not worth saving. Not sure why you would choose to buy a defective model (you say you knew about the bubbling), but I'd say lesson learned and to the bin with the model.
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i'm sorry to see your situation but a model with a wing snapped off so cleanly tells me there is more to just dodgy decals. This to me looks like some of the other member's problems of whom had experience similar issues with their models. I believe the phenomenon is known as zinc rot, due to impurities during production which causes the wing become brittle.
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Sorry, but a Magic model is not worth saving. Not sure why you would choose to buy a defective model (you say you knew about the bubbling), but I'd say lesson learned and to the bin with the model.
I dont like the tone of some of your posts, very condescending. However, I will reply. I bought the model as it would still look good displayed from a distance, But with a snapped wing and bits fallen out/off, it wont look good.
My question was does anyone know what may have caused the damage, not why did I buy it. Thanks for your input though.
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I dont like the tone of some of your posts, very condescending. However, I will reply. I bought the model as it would still look good displayed from a distance, But with a snapped wing and bits fallen out/off, it wont look good.
My question was does anyone know what may have caused the damage, not why did I buy it. Thanks for your input though.
Not trying to be condescending, just looking at the facts. One is this is a Magic model, well-known among the DAC forum to be inferior. Second, a broken wing doesn't just happen, as many noted...it is a weakness in the metal, most likely zinc-rot. The whole model might have been made from this batch, but sometimes it's just component parts. Third, I just wonder why anyone would knowingly buy a damaged model unless they had some way of restoring it, which admittedly you may have had that in mind. I'm sorry you find some of my posts offensive, but please try not to take that personally. Unless I target you specifically for sarcasm and/or insults, I'm not trying to offend.
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I dont like the tone of some of your posts, very condescending. However, I will reply. I bought the model as it would still look good displayed from a distance, But with a snapped wing and bits fallen out/off, it wont look good.
My question was does anyone know what may have caused the damage, not why did I buy it. Thanks for your input though.
What's so important about what caused it!? Your package dropped and fell on the ground and the parts cracked.. Get a refund and replace your model, it's not expensive, so a donnor to exchange the wings will be as expensive as a new copy of your NZ B747 and would make no sense..
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That second pic is definitely zinc rot. These models are tampo printed, not decalled. As Steve said, the bubbling weakened the metal in the wings so the breakage was inevitable. This model is contaminated and not worth fixing. Make a claim for damages and get your money back.
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What's so important about what caused it!? Your package dropped and fell on the ground and the parts cracked.. Get a refund and replace your model, it's not expensive, so a donnor to exchange the wings will be as expensive as a new copy of your NZ B747 and would make no sense..
It is important to me, because I want to know. No other models of the approx 200 models that I have, have ever turned up with a broken wing. Thanks for your input, I am after a refund or replacement, just waiting for a reply from the sender. The price of the model wasn't expensive, I never said it was, Im not saying, "Hey everyone, I knowingly purchased a crap model and Im unhappy", the add did say, "Mint in box" It didnt arrive as in mint condition, and the box and wrapping was undamaged. maybe a drop caused it, maybe it was part of the bubbling thing or zinc rot, I am after ideas. thanks again
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That second pic is definitely zinc rot. These models are tampo printed, not decalled. As Steve said, the bubbling weakened the metal in the wings so the breakage was inevitable. This model is contaminated and not worth fixing. Make a claim for damages and get your money back.
Thanks heaps, so in future if I see an add saying "bubbling"I should take that they mean it has zinc rott and steer clear? I guess everyone gerts stung once don't they. hahah
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i'm sorry to see your situation but a model with a wing snapped off so cleanly tells me there is more to just dodgy decals. This to me looks like some of the other member's problems of whom had experience similar issues with their models. I believe the phenomenon is known as zinc rot, due to impurities during production which causes the wing become brittle.
Thanks alot mate. I am glad I begun reading this forum more often, I am learning slowly what not to buy. I think I will stick to the main brands I have already. Obviously the cheaper ones, are, the cheaper ones !! ya get what ya pay for. Cheers
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Just bear in mind that the Magic/BBX models may not come with those Antenna's. Refer to the database.
99% sure it did come with them as they are still floating around in the box, unless they are random pieces off something else. anything is possible. haha

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I have a Big bird 747-200 ZK-NZV with missing antenna on one wing tip. Not sure if this helps you for parts but could sell to you fairly cheaply in NZ dollars if it helps.
Thanks for the offer bud. I might just save up and buy an expensive one to add to my others. I wanted a small fleet of them, I might have to settle for an expensive small fleet. haha
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FYI, here is a thread on the zinc-rot problem:
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ahh wicked thanks heaps. Sorry bout earlier, sometimes, homos like me get a bit flappy. I have chilled since this morning lol. Thanks again for the link
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ahh wicked thanks heaps. Sorry bout earlier, sometimes, homos like me get a bit flappy. I have chilled since this morning lol. Thanks again for the link
Not to worry, I know sometimes I get obnoxious...generally then I get ignored.
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Maybe you might want to try the GJ Air NZ 747-200...they are fairly easy to find on ebay etc and its tons better than the Magic version
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got one already mate. Thanks though. I just wanted one with a different rego so I could have a small fleet building up. Im sure there is another model out there for me with a dif reg. Its just looking at the right place at the right time.
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Just a fun story, please don't get mad at me:
So, I went to Singapore to take a placement test for their public schools. As a reward, in the Hong Kong airport, my dad got me a GJ Delta Connection CRJ-200 (I was 8 and this started my collection). A couple of months later I took the plane to West Palm Beach and dropped it in a mall . I never found the tail, but I made a paper one instead! A true story btw.
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Just a fun story, please don't get mad at me:
So, I went to Singapore to take a placement test for their public schools. As a reward, in the Hong Kong airport, my dad got me a GJ Delta Connection CRJ-200 (I was 8 and this started my collection). A couple of months later I took the plane to West Palm Beach and dropped it in a mall . I never found the tail, but I made a paper one instead! A true story btw.
Dammit, this story just pissed me off!


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