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Old 01-30-2012, 01:22 AM   #1
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Default Phoenix v Aeroclassics, Round 2: Singapore Airlines A330-300

Not too long ago, another user did a comparison between Phoenix, Aeroclassics and GeminiJets' KLM A330-200s, so in a similar vein, I thought I'd do a comparison between Phoenix's and Aeroclassics' Singapore Airlines A330-300. So, here goes ...

Before we begin, here's the actual aircraft:


Nose


Left: Aeroclassics; Right: Phoenix.

I have to hand this one to Aeroclassics, personally. It does have a better nose shape, especially around where the cockpit windows are. However, the cockpit windows itself are a different story: on Aeroclassics, the cockpit windows needs a little more height, while Phoenix's cockpit windows are a tad too wide.

Nose gear: Phoenix has the better gear, Aeroclassics has the better gear door.

Door 1: For me, this one is difficult to pick. Phoenix's doors appear to be a little too tall, but Aeroclassics' version appear a little too short. I can't find any reference in Airbus' ACAP regarding the size of the door, only that the opening (that is, from the top of the door frame to the floor) should be 1.93m tall. Given that the doors are curved, it should naturally measure more than 1930/400 (4.825mm). Phoenix's measurement is about 6mm, Aeroclassics' measurement is about 5mm.

Tail


Left: Aeroclassics; Right: Phoenix.

As you can see, Phoenix has a slightly taller tail than Aeroclassics. Airbus' ACAP shows the tail height at 17.18 metres. 17180/400 = 42.95mm. Aeroclassics' tail measure roughly 40mm, while Phoenix' measure 41mm. It may very well be a ground clearance issue. It appears that neither aircraft has the correct ground clearance when measuring the distance between its tailcone and the ground: the actual plane measures 7.48m, so the model should measure 18.7mm. Aeroclassics' measurement was a tad shy of 17mm, while Phoenix's measurement was closer to 17.5mm.

I also have to hand it to Phoenix on tailfin shape, although Aeroclassics has more detail. However,



Left: Aeroclassics; Right: Phoenix.

Phoenix's horizontal stabilisers measure about 50mm, while Aeroclassics' measurement is just a tad over 48mm. Airbus' ACAP says that measurement should be 19.404m, which translates in 400 scale to 48.51mm. Visually, Aeroclassics also has the better shape and more detail, so as far as the horizontal stabilisers are concerned, I'd say it's a definite Aeroclassics win.

Wings, winglets


Left: Aeroclassics; Right: Phoenix

From front view, Phoenix's bent wings are somewhat obvious. It has thinner wings, which is a good thing, but if it means a reduction in quality, then Aeroclassics marginally sturdier wings are a better bet. Aeroclassics also has the better winglet angle - Phoenix's winglets are too upright, comparatively speaking.



As far as fairings are concerned, I can't get a photo good enough to show the differences in shape. Based on my observations, however, neither has the correct shape. Both models have (forgive me for not being technical here) "pointed tips" to the fairings, even though the photo above shows a flat tip.

Engines

Real plane:



Aeroclassics:



Phoenix:



The way I look at this, Phoenix has the better pylon and better details. It also has a better nacelle colour than Aeroclassics. However, Aeroclassics has the better nacelle shape, and more detailed fan blades. The down side is that its terrific fan blades aren't painted matt black like Phoenix's.

It appears, though, that Aeroclassics engines are too close to the ground. Put Phoenix's pylons on AC's engines, however, and that would not be a problem.



Left: Aeroclassics; Right: Phoenix

This picture shows Aeroclassics' engines to be marginally further apart. Airbus' ACAP shows that the distance from engine pylon to engine pylon should be 18.74m, which should be 46.85mm at 400 scale. My measurement with a tape measure is nowhere near scientifically accurate, but this is very close to the actual dimension on the Phoenix model - just shy of 47mm, while Aeroclassics' measurement is marginally less than 49mm.

Main landing gear

I'd call it a Phoenix win, it is more detailed.
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:47 AM   #2
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One very important thing I forgot to mention: Phoenix's often criticised wing to fuselage joint.

Aeroclassics


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Airbus' own diagrams show that the wing box is wider at the trailing edge than it is at the leading edge. So I can see what Phoenix was trying to achieve with the "gap" in the wing join. However, the execution could be better. Aeroclassics isn't perfect either - it has a better quality wing to fuselage joint, granted, but it isn't quite the right shape.
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Default Re: Phoenix v Aeroclassics, Round 2: Singapore Airlines A330-300

I still think the AC version captures the character whilst I like the PHX version, that is the deciding factor...
great comparison though
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Thanks for doing the comparison for us! Appreciate it!
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Yes, thank you. Fascinating stuff. It's a tough call. These are both very good efforts - and definitely showing the 'new wave' in 1:400 quality.

Personally, I like the Phoenix best. Neither quite captures the all-important Airbus cockpit 'face' 100% correctly (as you observe) - but, to me, Phoenix comes closer.

But I'd be more than happy with either in my collection!
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Why are Phoenix planes always so glossy?
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Old 01-30-2012, 10:00 AM   #7
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Now, i'll need to get the AC version.. Looks so much better! That nose, the wing-body joint, the engine pylons, engine fans, quality control.. Hope AC releases A345s and A346 in the future so i can exchange them too.. Now all we need is a LH A333 since PHX screwed it up so much, for example it has grey wings!
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Awesome Review. I like both the models and it would be a difficult one to choose. The bent wing on PHX could be fixed. So , i can go either way but PHX may win my vote by a very very small margin.
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Awesome comparison, i already have the Phx version, not planning to get the AC one =]
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love these types of threads, thanks for the comparison shots. Already got the PHX version but I do agree with you about the engines. I've always thought the PHX ones the shape isn't quite there and appear to be a tad to small and sit high off the ground (although not sure if that's due to high gear).
They are both great looking models...don't think you can go wrong either way really
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Thanks for the great comparison! Very interesting! This came just as I was asking myself who had the more accurate cockpit windows. I'd still like to hear different folks' opinion on this.As for landing gear, I prefer AC's gear to PHX's. Also,as I've mentioned in many other threads and wonder to myself if Andrew pays attention to them and that is,why don't AC include the reverser bucket and nose cone details on their models!
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Thanks CXB77L, for the great comparative thread.

My personal opinion, as a PHX fan, is that I prefer the PHX one. It just seems to have a tiny bit more detail. Also, if you look at the tail fin, the PHX one is a bit more accurate in shape. The top trailing edge of the rudder is quite rounded on the Aerocleassics one.

Just my two cents, but both are beautiful!
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Aeroclassics has a nose landing gear shaped like molten nougat. Phoenix has a main landing gear that sits too high off the ground and makes the struts look like bamboo stilts, looking awkward and ugly from certain angles.

Aeroclassics needs to slightly enlarge the cockpit windows, add more tiny print details and remove those annoying "lines" or "formations" on the horizontal stabilizer, make it thinner (winglets also) to achieve a near perfect mold.

Phoenix needs to shorten and bother to paint the landing gear struts. Probably use a main landing gear the size similar of those underneath their A380 mold.
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Aeroclassics needs to slightly enlarge the cockpit windows, add more tiny print details and remove those annoying "lines" or "formations" on the horizontal stabilizer, make it thinner (winglets also) to achieve a near perfect mold.

Phoenix needs to shorten and bother to paint the landing gear struts.
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I agree totally about the AC cockpit, winglets and extra printed detail,larriet888. But I do think that Airbus in fact doesn't paint its gear struts, but rather leaves them either natural metal or paints them aluminium colour. But I agree that PHX needs to paint its Boeing gear, as they are all light gray in 1:1 scale.
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Fantastic comparison well done, many thanks.

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