At last I snagged a decent Pacmin 1/200 ripe for refurbishment. material is hard plastic...very finely moulded. Colors will be EAL Hockey Stick. Gear to be added.....Herpa 777 trucks and struts as the base. Will post pics when project is finished.
Enjoy~
I can't either. Along with the 'presentation livery' (Boeing house colours), I can see this any number of a half dozen liveries that were slated to fly (eventually). Cool . . . but not for me though.
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INM most mfgs won't touch it because it never made it past mock-up stage. The wood examples are a valiant try, but they're not very good. This is an aircraft only for a very few that understand how beautiful design can just be... a beautiful design.
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I can't either. Along with the 'presentation livery' (Boeing house colours), I can see this any number of a
half dozen liveries that were slated to fly (eventually). Cool . . . but not for me though.
Not for me either and I suspect not for a lot of other collectors which is probably why a manufacturer hasn't
gotten all over it. It's very cool and interesting and historic but model-wise not much of a turn on. Too many
subsonic subjects on my ever-expanding wish list to care anything about the 2707
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If they had actually made a flying prototype, I might be interested in it...but it never got that far. Since I don't collect fantasy aircraft, looking at someone else's model will be enough for me. I'll be interested to see the finished product.
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I note that you are not very impressed by the wooden Boeing SSTs. I agree that
in comparison with the beautiful 1-400 one -off jobs (I am lucky enough to have the
House and Pan Am, but missed getting a TWA and BOAC to join them) they are crude.
However, so too were the original manufacturers giveaways in the 60s. Thanks to Builderscience I now have a Boeing 2707 in BOAC, Aer Lingus, Air Force 1 and Boeing 733
in House, BOAC, Lufthansa and have two Braniffs on order. They are not cheap but at present for a non-modeler they are the only game in town! Its a bit like the old Schabak 1-600 planes. In the 80s they were all one could buy, now one is spoilt for choice.
However, I am an old collector so in some cases prefer 1-250 to 1-200 for example. The latter is too big and ungainly for a 747 for example.
I agree with the purists that the main manufacturers should concentrate on real planes. After all we really do need yet another model of a Thai Airlines 747 or a Lufthansa Airbus, as there are so few out there. Oh and maybe one day a 1-400 Panair do Brasil or Panagra DC8. Sorry Sir there's no demand for it. Well back to the Airbuses.
That Pacmin moulding is great. Do we know if they still have it? If so, they
might be willing to do one-offs for old gits that like Boeing SSTs. Any Pacmin
people out there know?
I nearly tried Bader as a source, but their prices are very high and I am trying to get my favourite schemes. My Braniff will be based on the Company art for the 2707 (Cherry Red) and the 707 original for the 733.
Hi Ralph,
That is just my opinion. I think it's great they're available so if one wanted to have the type, they could. It's better a choice than no choice at all, so the folks at Builder Science get a pat on the back for their efforts. I haven't seen the Contrails 1/400. Judging from your sense of satisfaction, they must be quite nice. Do you have pics to share with the forum?...I believe you have them on photobucket, but it would be great to see your collection.
As for the 1/200 2707-300: I've called Pacmin a couple of times. Their stand on refurbishing their older products was a very sincere...No. They only concentrate on current moulds and have thrown away all of the old files. (A terrible waste of company history). They're very nice people, but my vintage model is not in their interest. I've decided to get back into model making. I've already removed the paint down to the (very) hard plastic airplane. Panel lines instead of control surfaces, will be carefully scribed. Landing gear....scratch built is being added as well. It's going to be an Eastern bird.
Regarding the 1:400's; I have about 5 from the hand mades we did a couple of years ago. In the works is a 1/144 Braniff with interior. That model is in process at this time.
Is the Boeing, Lockheed, and Douglas SST airplanes important?, IMO, Yes...but it's a small club. Having a special release of the Boeing House scheme and customers that signed up for the 2707-300 would be amazing. I'm kind of surprised that nothing has come from Japan. The most obscure releases come from there. Perhaps that might become the source? Who knows? Am staying positive, I'm sure somebody will pick up the ball in 1/200 and let us have this beautiful airplane~
Herb
Thanks for coming back on the Pacmin story. Does that mean that one could copy their 1-200 model and re-issue it with slight changes as a new model-say in metal or plastic?
The 1-400 models I mentioned in the thread were not Contrails but the two (House and Pan Am) that JR made me. Unfortunately I never got his TWA and BOAC ones. I think he is now in the States, so maybe one day he will take more commissions.
You have presumably seen the Eastern original 2707 model that is online somewhere.
I realise I still have not bought a BOAC 2707 poster from you. Funds have been a bit tight lately as I am trying to get my wooden models from the Philippines before another price hike. After the Braniffs I am going to get a TWA and American old colours (the 733
captures the feel of the original metal giveaway).
Its a shame that the orthodox plane collecting community is so blinkered. I was especially sad that Lufthansa 727 did not enjoy the Lufthansa stuff which I based on the Airline's own artwork.
I suspect a large reason that the orthodox collecting community is so blinkered is we have had access to several SST models that actually did fly for decades with two major airlines: Concorde. And variants of this aircraft model have been available in one form or another over the last 25 years in quite a number of scales -- with kits even packed into Kellog's cereal boxes!
I'm afraid the Boeing/Lockheed/Douglas SST ear was simply eclipsed in the eyes of the orthodox collecting community. Kinda of a shame, really, but a chilling reality just the same.
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Personally, I have no problem with 'fantasy planes', I own an A3XX in Virgin colours for instance. Of course, no one will ever operate the 3XX, as the real thing never happened, just like the 2707s etc. For myself, all I want is a Tu144, that I don't have to take out a second mortgage for, ah well, back to the land of dreams..........
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What I mean by blinkered is the idea that everyone should stick to collecting what
the mainstream wants. Of course I am not suggesting that mainstream producers deprive customers of "real" aircraft to satisfy the random cravings of minority enthusiasts.
But I found it odd that "live and let live" seems not to apply to collecting. I have numerous models of Concordes both actual and optioned as well as a number of Tu144s-
especially the lovely little modelpower 1-350 job.
To be even more boring I make the following distinction:
What-if to me covers variants that were considered by airlines or earlier versions
of real planes such as the A3XX, of which I have an Airbus model. My 2707s are all
in the liveries of optionholders who I know received Pacmin models from Boeing in these
colours.
Fantasy liveries are featured wonderfully on the Modified Airliner site. My favourite is the Airbus A380 in BOAC livery. This is pure fantasy, but fun if you like nice colour schemes.
If someone goes ahead and orders themselves a model of it would that really ruin the comfortable world of those diligently collecting every version of the Convair 440 Metropolitan?
The joy of websites like this one is that you can see a whole range of models and themes. If you don't like a particular one, fine, just don't bother to look at it again.
Is it really necessary to make some sour comment about another collector's enthusiasms?
Many apologies, I did not mean your remarks, but some of the comments on other
threads where this subject has come up, also some other threads where collectors
seem to be hostile to other collectors interests.
To illustrate my point here is a crudish but fun model of the Boeing 2707 in Eastern Colours. The Airline issued a black and white photo of this version in these colours which I have somewhere at home
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Many apologies, I did not mean your remarks, but some of the comments on other
threads where this subject has come up, also some other threads where collectors
seem to be hostile to other collectors interests.
To illustrate my point here is a crudish but fun model of the Boeing 2707 in Eastern Colours. The Airline issued a black and white photo of this version in these colours which I have somewhere at home
No worries . . . understood.
There are a few examples of the SST world still missing from our collections. In the case of Concorde, it still mystifies me why Hogan hasn't done the BOAC one, the AF/BA one (F-WTSA), the BA/SA one (G-N94AD), the Pepsi 'Sierra Delta' and the brief 20th Anniversary livery on F-WTSB. I haven't even really touched on the 'fantasy' liveries nor the pre-pros, but I can say this, 'there is GOLD in them thar hills' if Hogan wished to extract it.
I can say the same about the 2707 but nobody listens. Simple fact is, the perception is only a small handful seem to care.
Maybe it is time for a poll?
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Despite my moans I have to admit that the manufacturers and dealers have come
up with the goods over the years. From the time Andrew Klein first promised me that
he was making a BOAC Boeing 747 to the appearance of Braniff Concordes in 1-400 some
years back.
Herb and JR briefly gave some of us the chance to get 1-400 2707s. Builderscience have been really helpful and responsive with my 2707 orders from them.
And of course Revell reissued their original 2707 kit which is identical to the Pacmin models given to companies by Boeing.
My best advice to any enthusiast is to keep in friendly contact with dealers and suppliers and most important make sure you buy the stuff when it appears! Unless we do buy the models we like, the suppliers cannot make them.
Old thread but an interesting one, how did this B2707-300 model result in to?
if that is 1:200 it must be a huge aircraft then even dwarfing the Tu-144
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Sometimes its good to resurrect an old thread! I too would love to see the end product. if it happened. ARD did do a run of 1/200 SST's in 6 liveries. but some had windows printed upside down, and had double bogey rear wheels instead of triple. and they were going to do some more with corrections. but have never seen them yet! but luckily I do have a superb 1/144 BOAC 2707-300 SWING WING. I believe it was done by a guy called PAUL BENN who did several for the 2005 Gatwick show. but I actually got this from ebayer BPC TRAINLINE. aka BRUCE CUMMINGS.
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Hah nice I love that B2707 you got there, it looks awesome
It's swing wing in the swept position reminds me of the General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark in some way
1:200 is my faved scale for my SST's or 1:400 if there are no other options.
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[QUOTE=AIR FRANCE 340;901475]I quite understand the interest some of us could have in this model, but I would prefer early 707, early DC 8, Convair 880 or 990 and Comet 1A.
Yeah, Comet 1A, Please!!!!! And while we're at it, Dassault Mercure, perhaps?
Hah nice I love that B2707 you got there, it looks awesome
It's swing wing in the swept position reminds me of the General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark in some way
1:200 is my faved scale for my SST's or 1:400 if there are no other options.
I found so much old stuff last night, my friend Emma Ramussen she works for the Boom Aerospace, she doies marketing and she collects Concores in general but she is also seeking B27097, Lockheed L-2000's as models @ 1:400 but I seek them @ 1:200 so I thought, why not go SST Frenzy and seek all I can possibly find and that Revell kit was just one of many I found, here some others
Come my friends of DAC, lets fly down memory lane once again shall we
Here a decal list of what airline companies would of had the B2707 if the SST was ever put to production, well just my thoughts due to all the airliner companies Aviation mega Store has listed here: https://www.aviationmegastore.com/qu.../Boeing%202707
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The Revell kit was re-issued recently and should be obtainable.
I jumped on it right away as I remember the books on the subject in the library when I was a kid.
It was a massive design, longer than a 747(add almost a 737-2), wings forward wider than a 767's, but swept only the size of a 727's. Engines about the diameter of CFMs.
To see one of these coming in for a landing would have been something!!
OH cool that it has been reissued, would seem fun to build Yet a diecast metal Scale 1:200 model would be more my kind of thing to be honest.
Imagine what Herpa Wings, Hogan, Aviation 200 or Inflight 200 could do.
It would be cool if other never released SST's would be made in diecast metal models as well like the Lockheed L-2000, Tu-244 and other SST's.
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Anyways I decided to use this topic when itcomes to Boeing related SST's alongside the B2707-300, but others like the following:
Boeing Model 733-197
Boeing Model 733-790
Boeing B2707-100
Boeing B2707-200
Boeing B2707-300
North American NAC-60
Lockheed L-2000-7A
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Sweet! I love those concept hypersonic jets.
It's not a Hypersonic jet it's the predecessor of the B733-790 and later B2707 SST's
The model I posted is the scale 1:50 B733-197 SST from 1960 :sun:
Thanks to my friend Shea Oakley I am kind of getting the US SST feel and it's such a shame we don't have any models in that undiscovered sector.
Undiscovered diecast model wise that being, just wish we would get at least something from that part.
I mean if IF200 can do them "what if" releases of Concorde, why not some US SST's as well right?
Or even some what if releases for the u-144 as well the Tu-144 prototype CCCP-68001, and the Tu-244.
With all these never released SST's our SST diecast collections can grow with a much greater SST variety.
But for now this is just a vague dream and lost hope.
But the most interesting I found was this pdf about the B2707-100 https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/804721.pdf
Page 46 shows that the landing gears used for the B2707 were also later used for the B747.
There are some very good details in this pdf , every part, hinge & gauge is well described, it looks like some maintenance manual for the B2707-100 SST
I'm just curious. Did use use the kit plastic colour for the majority of that custard colour, or did you match & spray over it?
Gorgeous model of a certainly outrageous and DARING looking aircraft of the time. I remember seeing a colour photo exposé in Life magazine, just after seeing concept drawings of Concorde, and I was CONVINCED the Future was on its way!!
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Uhm I didn't make that model bud I found it via google a while back but it certainly did this thread a lot of good, just wish there was more out there tho so I kinda dded on what I found, that pdf aka white paper of the B2707-100 is super interesting to take through tho.
Here the B2707-100 Mockup you'd might mean I have this large sized photo of it in my SST archive:
Also note the landing gear that was reused for the Boeing 747
This picture can show you that more clearly:
Here my Korean Air B747-8B5i having the same landing gear layout & design:
I chose to compare with the B747-8i due to the ultra long wheel base it has which would of been quite similar with the B2707-100/200.
Anyways it's kind of cool that somethings the B2707 had were being used for classic B747's as well as still being reused for the current B747-8 series
@ DC-10 Tony
Yeah I had numerous SST brainwaves and found all of them links and I just HAD to share them hah
Enjoy 'em bud, if I find anything else I'll post em here
Rock on
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@GoldLeader,
Thanx for the clarity. I somehow thought you made the model, hence the question. No worries.
Anyone looking for this kit can find it on Old Model Kits. There are two available, both are NOSS. One is $165, the other is $175. Remember — these are rare as eyebrows on eggs, and brand new, aside from skiffs on the packaging from bouncing around from warehouse to retail shop to jobber to warehouse, etc, etc.
@GoldLeader,
Thanx for the clarity. I somehow thought you made the model, hence the question. No worries.
Anyone looking for this kit can find it on Old Model Kits. There are two available, both are NOSS. One is $165, the other is $175. Remember — these are rare as eyebrows on eggs, and brand new, aside from skiffs on the packaging from bouncing around from warehouse to retail shop to jobber to warehouse, etc, etc.
Have kits to make up but a good solid model would be great.
So many airline schemes that could be done that expressed interest in buying.
Makers seem to sell German "fantasy" WW11 models, so why can't a manufacturer specialise in planes that never flew?
Here the Japanese SST named "Japan JADC HSTP" which is slightly lesser known, it would have a cruise speed of Mach 1.6 and a range of 11.100 KM, as the info plate reads
How much do you think this model is worth? Or, how much is too much to bid for it? I'm tempted, but if there's one in the works, I don't want buyer's remorse. Ya know?
I think I heard something about that, but I haven't seen examples. Maybe someone here may know?
I was able to acquire a re-issue of this 1/200 kit on ebay after this post came out in 2016. I also bought a Panam and TWA decal from draw decal to be used for the 2 models in the kit. Everything ready except for someone to finish it for me. I can't trust myself anymore when it comes to building these models. Way too busy. and too impatient. I asked around the Bay Area for modelers but no response. Hopefully someday before the decals disintegrate.
I was able to acquire a re-issue of this 1/200 kit on ebay after this post came out in 2016. I also bought a Panam and TWA decal from draw decal to be used for the 2 models in the kit. Everything ready except for someone to finish it for me. I can't trust myself anymore when it comes to building these models. Way too busy. and too impatient. I asked around the Bay Area for modelers but no response. Hopefully someday before the decals disintegrate.
Thanks for the response, but it is not a kit, but a diecast metal model. Albeit a primitive one, but metal nonetheless. It's not very detailed by today's standards, but the rarity is what gives it its appeal. I may not go for it because it never made it out of experimental status, but it is a very unique and important part of supersonic history. I'm on the fence.
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Thanks for the response, but it is not a kit, but a diecast metal model. Albeit a primitive one, but metal nonetheless. It's not very detailed by today's standards, but the rarity is what gives it its appeal. I may not go for it because it never made it out of experimental status, but it is a very unique and important part of supersonic history. I'm on the fence.
Sorry about that. I did not see the XB-70 picture at first. But what I meant about the kit was the 2707 by Revell. About how much the metal XB-70 would cost, there is a running thread on this forum about how much one would pay for a model- to sum all the replies up it's really the buyer who can decide how much he's willing to own it. I remember last year at a trade show, someone bought a 1/200 plastic XB-70 and XB-35 by Dragon models for $150.00 per model! Whoa I said to myself! I remember buying mine from Flying Mule for about $35 each plus shipping. I really hate to be in your position about acquiring a certain model. I have been there many times. About five year ago I paid too much, no, - way too much for a Herpa AA premium A300. But I really love owning the model. I probably will sell it eventually and again, probably for much less than what I paid for but the happiness it gave me while I owned it is priceless. Good luck!
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No, I didn't forget them. In the grand scheme of things they didn't quite qualify for 'decades' of continuous service. 
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