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Old 02-07-2011, 12:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I finally got around to comparing the cockpit windows on my new UA/CO 757 to the shades of blue UA 757, and what was a turned to

Not only are the cockpit windows too high, but the pax windows are too!

I don't want this thread to turn into a war. I just wanted people to see these.

In my opinion this model should have never made it to the public.





And yes I checked the height with a ruler to be sure.
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on the one had I'm sad that GJ continue to release models with problems like this, but on the other I'm kinda glad they messed up this sad excuse for a UA livery
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on the one had I'm sad that GJ continue to release models with problems like this, but on the other I'm kinda glad they messed up this sad excuse for a UA livery
Hahaha I have to agree with you there.
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I love to see a new new co/united nose to nose with the battleship grey United 757. They should have the same cheatlines at bottoms of doors. If they dont I think the doors have been changed on the new co/united version?

anybody have both?
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Brad does this help?

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Cue Mike777

Cue N. Eberhard...."How f**king perfect do the cockpit windows have to be? How about enjoying the other 99.5% of the model fer chrissakes?"

...rolling eyes...

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yes.....kinda i think...lol

hypnotic to look at........cheatline has been moved too high on new 757..

ok, is their a co 757 to compare the new co/ua to?
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Cue N. Eberhard...."How f**king perfect do the cockpit windows have to be? How about enjoying the other 99.5% of the model fer chrissakes?"

...rolling eyes...
Maybe not. Nick made a good point in the thread you started. Windows on the CRJ really aren't a big deal at all.
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Maybe not. Nick made a good point in the thread you started. Windows on the CRJ really aren't a big deal at all.
to each his own.....

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to each his own.....
You are correct sir!
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sla31's photo is perfect in showing the error. I think this one's been beaten enough now...
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sla31's photo is perfect in showing the error. I think this one's been beaten enough now...
I agree. The point of this thread was to show that there is more off on this model than the cockpit windows.

Needless to say I am very disappointed this model made it out with this many errors, but I'm not returning it. I think at this point there is no way Gemini is going to do anything about it now.

I'll be keeping the model, and will be waiting for the next UA/CO release.
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i can not understand,how there is not control quality at gemini.
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Well, GarudaRod... where are you? I think this one requires a comment by a Gemini official...
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I agree. The point of this thread was to show that there is more off on this model than the cockpit windows.

Needless to say I am very disappointed this model made it out with this many errors, but I'm not returning it. I think at this point there is no way Gemini is going to do anything about it now.

I'll be keeping the model, and will be waiting for the next UA/CO release.
I think that we'll see this flaw from time to time. There is a high probability of printing error before the workers go for the Chinese New Year holidays because they are hasty to leave without being concern for the quality of the releases. The previous year was the DAL A319 with high pax window error. Is there anything that collectors could do? I guess nothing and we are at the mercy of the manufacturer....buy it and cringe or simply ignore it.
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Needless to say I am very disappointed this model made it out with this many errors, but I'm not returning it.
Do you wonder why these models still get out with the errors it has...Just read what I bolded.
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[...] There is a high probability of printing error before the workers go for the Chinese New Year holidays because they are hasty to leave without being concern for the quality of the releases. The previous year was the DAL A319 with high pax window error.[...].
... and in early 2009 it was the IF200 Air Canada 1011 with the cockpit windows printed too high.
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Do you wonder why these models still get out with the errors it has...Just read what I bolded.
We shouldn't have to worry about these problems in the first place.

Returning it just causes more problems for me, the retailer I bought it from, and Gemini, and frankly i don't want to mess with it. There all messed up, and there is no point in returning it if I'm just going to get the same crap in return.

So if you have no other, more constructive comments to provide, please don't post.
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... and in early 2009 it was the IF200 Air Canada 1011 with the cockpit windows printed too high.
This model as well as others like the one you mentioned obviously have visually noticeable flaws. It just makes me wonder... Doesn't someone at these manufacturers (Not just Gemini) look at their product before it goes out.

I mean if I saw something like this 757 or the earlier AE ERJ I would say "There is no way that is right!" I'd stop it as early as possible and fix it.
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We shouldn't have to worry about these problems in the first place.
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Returning it just causes more problems for me, the retailer I bought it from, and Gemini, and frankly i don't want to mess with it. There all messed up, and there is no point in returning it if I'm just going to get the same crap in return.
Ironic much? You are worried about causing problems for Gemini, yet Gemini caused this problem for you and others in the first place. When you would return your model why would you return it for the same model? Return it for instore credit and get one of Gemini's other many beautiful releases.

Here is my theory behind Gemini's reason of releasing this model when they knew it had errors. Gemini had already made 700+ of these models so, why throw them all away and lose money. They figured they might as well sell them to break even or come close to breaking even. Maybe I don't know the half of it, but again, just a thought.
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Ironic much? You are worried about causing problems for Gemini, yet Gemini caused this problem for you and others in the first place. When you would return your model why would you return it for the same model? Return it for instore credit and get one of Gemini's other many beautiful releases.

Here is my theory behind Gemini's reason of releasing this model when they knew it had errors. Gemini had already made 700+ of these models so, why throw them all away and lose money. They figured they might as well sell them to break even or come close to breaking even. Maybe I don't know the half of it, but again, just a thought.
Yeah I understand what your saying. I know Crownvic has said in another thread that Gemini has, at great cost to them, tired to combat QC issues, and I believe him. I can imagine at even $60-$70 a piece for a model they still aren't rolling in the dough from us. They don't do this just to tick us off. And yes I could just return it for a different model, but I was hoping for this release to go with the Battleship and Shades of Blue livery, and now they've done it, and messed it up, and they aren't going to do it again. I didn't want a different model, I wanted this one lol, so I want to keep it even if this is messed up.

All valid points I guess, and yes I'm sure if I were in charge of Gemini and this kind of defect slipped by somehow I'd probably try to get as much out of it as I could.
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I always say, more than any other aircraft, the 757 cockpit windows and cheatline windows MUST be correct. That's an essential part of making the model look good. And VERY few models have ever really goten it right. I think the best all time was the Skymarks 1:150 scale 757s. And even those took a few rounds to get right.
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The GJ 200 757 G-BPEJ (British Airways) is, IMHO, spot on...so is the beautiful Negus...
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I think we can safely say that the vast majority, if not all of the UA/CO 757s Gemini200 released have this problem.
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I think we can safely say that the vast majority, if not all of the UA/CO 757s Gemini200 released have this problem.
Yes, just saw mine today and it has it too. The UA Bass and Retro BA look nice though.
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Yes, just saw mine today and it has it too. The UA Bass and Retro BA look nice though.
Yeah I haven't seen one yet that didn't have the issues.
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Yeah I understand what your saying. I know Crownvic has said in another thread that Gemini has, at great cost to them, tired to combat QC issues, and I believe him. I can imagine at even $60-$70 a piece for a model they still aren't rolling in the dough from us. They don't do this just to tick us off. And yes I could just return it for a different model, but I was hoping for this release to go with the Battleship and Shades of Blue livery, and now they've done it, and messed it up, and they aren't going to do it again. I didn't want a different model, I wanted this one lol, so I want to keep it even if this is messed up.

All valid points I guess, and yes I'm sure if I were in charge of Gemini and this kind of defect slipped by somehow I'd probably try to get as much out of it as I could.
See, this is part of the problem - people defending Gemini Jets. If you bought a shirt at Macy's, got it home and it was all messed up, what would you do? You'd take it back to Macy's and if you couldn't find a better shirt, you'd buy something else.

Regardless of how much GJ has spent on QC is moot. It's not working. Not only is it not working, it is getting worse. This model, the Delta widget colors, droopy MD-80 wings, high PAX - the list goes on and on and on.

Bottom line, there is no excuse for this model EVER being distributed. That is really shaddy. They know they will make money because people are less likely to go through the hassle of returning it.

It really baffles my mind as to why anyone pre-orders a model and why anyone would keep a model like the UAL/CO 757.
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I didn't pre-order it, but I did order it before I was aware of the problems. I never pre-order Gemini's anymore. I saw pictures of the Saul Bass 757 and Delta CRJ posted by another member here, and decided to go ahead and order a batch from the newest releases. I have to drive 2-3 hours to get to a store so I can "visually inspect" models myself.

I'm also not trying to defend Gemini. I simple meant I believe Russell when he says they have tired. It obviously hasn't worked, and other things need to be done. I probably could have worded it better, but I wasn't trying to defend them.

And your "Macy's" situation really isn't anything like this. Yeah If I buy a shirt and it doesn't fit right nor I find something wrong i take it back. That's easy. Drive 3 blocks down to the mall walk in and return the $20 shirt. Then either get a different one or get my money back.

Were talking about a close to $70 model here that I got from a retailer hundreds of miles away. I'd have to find a box. Pack it up, Pay for shipping back again after I already paid to have it shipped once, and then either get a different model or a store credit.

The fact is that I wanted a UA/CO 757, and if there all messed up that doesn't help. Because I'd want to return it for the same model. I'd just get the same thing back. It would be different if we'd seen some pics of ones that aren't messed up. Situations like this are way different than the one you posted above. It's either keep the messed up model of a plane you wanted done or return it and hope someone else makes another UA/CO 757 which isn't likely.

I agree with you though it never should have been distributed like this.
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I see what you mean. I've had an experience of an UPS B757 with seriously crooked cockpit window and returned it.
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Look at the size of the main door on the CO model!
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