I heard the printing on one side of the plane is higher than the other side, by about 3/4 of a window length. Anyone know how noticeable this will be? This really bites - the one release I've been looking forward to.
I got an Email from my retailer about my order explaining this issue to me and I decided to go ahead and skip on this model. He did send some pictures using a ruler to show the discrepancy (it is noticeable) but I haven't been able to download them yet as I am not home. I am going to convert the order from this one to the newly released MD-88 and hope for the best. I do still have the AA 738 Astrojet on order and also decided to get the old school Delta DC-9 so hopefully they will be fine.
This really sucks and is getting ridiculous on the part of Gemini Jets. You cannot have such gross quality control errors every month. I don't mean to rag, as I know stuff happens, but I'm thoroughly disappointed.
I'm not sure what to do. It's hard to tell in the pictures how noticeable it's going to be and if it is worth keeping my order, as my retailer gave me the option of cancelling.
I really don't think it would be THAT noticeable in a display cabinet but to a point I do agree that the silly QC issues are bothersome especially when you are dumping $50+ a pop on the model.
On the other hand, I do appreciate GJs effort to provide us with a variety of high-detail level models and I still look forward to each months new releases. I guess if I were to get aggrivated I can always look at the AA shelf in my cabinet and see the nice shiny 777, 757, 737, and MD-82 sitting there and realize they did do a great job on most and am still super impressed about the UA 767.
Hey Guys the pics are up on AirParadigm web-site the windows does look high.
I don't really see the difference on each side. While an error may exist, it probably isn't that noticeable since you would never look at both sides of the model at the same time.
Hey Guys the pics are up on AirParadigm web-site the windows does look high.
Indeed. They look pretty high on BOTH sides to me. Like others in this thread, I had this model on pre-order, and my retailer has already given me the option to back-out. Not quite sure what I want to do yet...
Indeed. They look pretty high on BOTH sides to me. Like others in this thread, I had this model on pre-order, and my retailer has already given me the option to back-out. Not quite sure what I want to do yet...
Nick (at Jetway) gave me the option to back out too, but I'm going to keep my order. I'm thoroughly pissed but I love Delta. Part of me feels like it's people like me, who keep their orders on f'ed up models, that prevent QC from improving. I hate to moan, but you'd think someone at GJ would have said, "NO F'ING MISTAKES THIS MONTH" after the disaster AA ERJ last month. I mean does anyone look at the final when it comes off the line?
I don't really see the difference on each side. While an error may exist, it probably isn't that noticeable since you would never look at both sides of the model at the same time.
well both sides are the same as you can see in the pic, but when compared to another A319 you can see the windows are a little high. but its still a great model I love the A319, My Favorite GJ200 model is my TACA a319.
Do you guys think it would prob. be like the ERJ, with a few good ones in between? I'm thinking on this one but im going to wait till we see some more pics from the forum members.
Should worst come to worst, you can always remove the windows yourself and add on aftermarket window decals, like from DRAW Decal.
As mentioned above, though, this should not be necessary for a $50+ model.
We shouldn't have to do that. I mean this is DISGUSTING! I am fed up with Gemini's constant f-ups and excuses. From now on, I am not buying their models or placing pre-orders until I know the product is good. If I miss out, I miss out. This is getting so ridiculous.
There are pictures on other threads, and this model is wretched.
I looked at the photos of GJ200 A319s on the Air Paradigm site and it looks like the Delta is not the only one with higher than normal windows. I have not ordered this model, but I'll be curious to see what people say when they start showing up. It's hard to imagine other models have the same issue and we're just hearing about it now after the Delta release (unless I missed posts about other A319 issues).
I looked at the photos of GJ200 A319s on the Air Paradigm site and it looks like the Delta is not the only one with higher than normal windows. I have not ordered this model, but I'll be curious to see what people say when they start showing up.
Look at the pictures of this model in the GJ new release thread - it's revolting.
I have several other GJ 200 Airbus A320 family models..a US Airways A320, US Airways "PSA" colors A319, United Battleship A319, Air Jamaica A321, and a Cebu Pacific A319. They all look fairly normal as far as window placement height.
I don't think its the entire run that has this mistake.......maybe just a select few. We shall see, mine arrives on Monday.
I was hoping the same too. This reminds me of the Socatec release GJ made AF A320-200 which the pax window line was higher than it should be. But based on the Air Paradigm photo, the flaw is just difficult to ignore.
It is rare for a model to have only one element printed too high. If SOMETHING is too high, then it's ALL too high. I would bet that the doors, titles, and everything else on that side are also too high by the same distance.
A "too high cockpit" is the same way--usually the striping and everything else is too high.
Ya, I'm going to skip your offer. My SLR is getting set up with a new lense, I can only imagine how torn apart cell phone pics would be.
Whatever.
And when you say your model "looks great", do you mean it doesn't have the windowline on the roof like the other pics that have surfaced, or it just doesn't bother you?
And when you say your model "looks great", do you mean it doesn't have the windowline on the roof like the other pics that have surfaced, or it just doesn't bother you?
Exactly. And keep in mind, all the pictures that are surfacing are shot from favorable angles (higher than the model), which means if you look at the window line (and titles, doors, etc) from straight on, it's going to seem even higher.
I really don't think it would be THAT noticeable in a display cabinet but to a point I do agree that the silly QC issues are bothersome especially when you are dumping $50+ a pop on the model.
On the other hand, I do appreciate GJs effort to provide us with a variety of high-detail level models and I still look forward to each months new releases. I guess if I were to get aggrivated I can always look at the AA shelf in my cabinet and see the nice shiny 777, 757, 737, and MD-82 sitting there and realize they did do a great job on most and am still super impressed about the UA 767.
Well, you're lucky you have the AA 757 and 738. I so regret not getting them. I have the MD-82, Fokker 100 and T7. They are beautiful. I collect AA and Delta, so it's kind of been sucky with the ERJ mistake and now this mistake, because I just can't justify spending my hard-earned-money on a sub-par product. Why don't you have the Fokker. It's a nice model. Really cool and cute :-)
Exactly. And keep in mind, all the pictures that are surfacing are shot from favorable angles (higher than the model), which means if you look at the window line (and titles, doors, etc) from straight on, it's going to seem even higher.
Yep. Imagine viewing the model in the airParadigm pic from a level perspective... not a pretty sight! I decided not to purchase the model I'd had on pre-order with Nick at Jetway. If it turns out there are some good models in the batch after-all, then maybe I'll try to track one down.
This is the second recent Gemini release I was really looking forward to, but once again won't be getting because of QC issues. The other was the AE ERJ.
Yep. Imagine viewing the model in the airParadigm pic from a level perspective... not a pretty sight! I decided not to purchase the model I'd had on pre-order with Nick at Jetway. If it turns out there are some good models in the batch after-all, then maybe I'll try to track one down.
This is the second recent Gemini release I was really looking forward to, but once again won't be getting because of QC issues. The other was the AE ERJ.
We're in the same boat with the ERJ and this release. Really too bad. It will certainly be a whole in my Delta collection. But with the MD-88 coming up and the T7 I will live. Hopefully, they will do a Delta A320 in the future. I just hope the MD-88 and T7 come out beautifully.
Nick (at Jetway) gave me the option to back out too, but I'm going to keep my order. I'm thoroughly pissed but I love Delta. Part of me feels like it's people like me, who keep their orders on f'ed up models, that prevent QC from improving.
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We're in the same boat with the ERJ and this release. Really too bad. It will certainly be a whole in my Delta collection.
So you changed your mind and decided not to get it either? Good. Even though it won't really affect GJ's bottom line that much, they don't deserve our money when they mess up something that is so painfully obvious but so easily preventable. I mean, how many thousands of models has GJ printed the window-line perfectly where it should be, but now they screw it up and the models pass whatever kind of quality control inspection they might perform.
The reason Gemini doesn't improve their quality control is simple: their models continue to sell quite well even with the flaws. So until their poor quality control gets to the point that it adversely affects sales significantly enough, they have no incentive to improve it. From strictly a business standpoint, Gemini probably views improving their QC as a pointless cost, as the extra money wouldn't be made up (and then some) in the form of increased profit. So in some ways I can't blame Gemini for not buckling down on the QC issues. However, as a collector who DOES care enough about the QC issues to hold-off on purchasing a much-anticipated release, it is quite frustrating.
So you changed your mind and decided not to get it either? Good. Even though it won't really affect GJ's bottom line that much, they don't deserve our money when they mess up something that is so painfully obvious but so easily preventable. I mean, how many thousands of models has GJ printed the window-line perfectly where it should be, but now they screw it up and the models pass whatever kind of quality control inspection they might perform.
The reason Gemini doesn't improve their quality control is simple: their models continue to sell quite well even with the flaws. So until their poor quality control gets to the point that it adversely affects sales significantly enough, they have no incentive to improve it. From strictly a business standpoint, Gemini probably views improving their QC as a pointless cost, as the extra money wouldn't be made up (and then some) in the form of increased profit. So in some ways I can't blame Gemini for not buckling down on the QC issues. However, as a collector who DOES care enough about the QC issues to hold-off on purchasing a much-anticipated release, it is quite frustrating.
I agree. Originally, I told Nick I would keep the order (because he is running a business too and I'm sure it's a pain for him, and I love Delta). Then, I thought about it and keeping my order sends a message that these mishaps are ok. I absolutely refuse to accept a model this grossly done. I made that mistake with the InFlight Pan Am DC-10 and it pains me to even look at the model.
I think it's kind of unethical to allow these models to pass inspection and be distributed, when they know full well that most people will likely keep their orders because they have no other option. If you want an AA ERJ or Delta A319 - this is it - your only choice. You cannot tell me that these mistakes did not go unnoticed prior to distribution. If I were running GJ, all hell would have broken loose after the ERJ and I would have made damn sure that never happened again.
It is the people in decision making positions at Gemini Jets whom are to blame, not the factories. They ultimately have control and a responsibility to their customers to take corrective action. Yet, if we keep our orders for models such as these, there is no recourse, so why would they spend the time and money necessary to properly train their employees?
And when you say your model "looks great", do you mean it doesn't have the windowline on the roof like the other pics that have surfaced, or it just doesn't bother you?
You, and the rolling eyes......
Either way Mike, my personal copy of the DL baby bus is straight and level right where it should be.
I agree. Originally, I told Nick I would keep the order (because he is running a business too and I'm sure it's a pain for him, and I love Delta). Then, I thought about it and keeping my order sends a message that these mishaps are ok. I absolutely refuse to accept a model this grossly done. I made that mistake with the InFlight Pan Am DC-10 and it pains me to even look at the model.
I think it's kind of unethical to allow these models to pass inspection and be distributed, when they know full well that most people will likely keep their orders because they have no other option. If you want an AA ERJ or Delta A319 - this is it - your only choice. You cannot tell me that these mistakes did not go unnoticed prior to distribution. If I were running GJ, all hell would have broken loose after the ERJ and I would have made damn sure that never happened again.
It is the people in decision making positions at Gemini Jets whom are to blame, not the factories. They ultimately have control and a responsibility to their customers to take corrective action. Yet, if we keep our orders for models such as these, there is no recourse, so why would they spend the time and money necessary to properly train their employees?
You do realize Gemini does not own/operate the factories, right?
What part about my new lenses coming in did you miss?
Umm, you also mentioned the option of cell phone camera pics. I don't know why you think they would be "torn apart". If they reveal that the window-line really is in the correct position like you say, I'd think your pics would be praised.
And forgive me if I'm being naive, but I am under the impression that you are somehow connected to the Gemini company. If this is the case, then posting pictures of a DL A319 with everything printed where it should be should only help your company...
A cell phone camera is more than adequate at capturing the only thing anyone is interested in seeing about this model right now. Like I said, I am very anxious to see if there are some "good" models out of the batch; if there are, I'll get one.
Umm, you also mentioned the option of cell phone camera pics. I don't know why you think they would be "torn apart". If they reveal that the window-line really is in the correct position like you say, I'd think your pics would be praised.
And forgive me if I'm being naive, but I am under the impression that you are somehow connected to the Gemini company. If this is the case, then posting pictures of a DL A319 with everything printed where it should be should only help your company...
A cell phone camera is more than adequate at capturing the only thing anyone is interested in seeing about this model right now. Like I said, I am very anxious to see if there are some "good" models out of the batch; if there are, I'll get one.
All is forgiven for being so naive Mikey....I don't receive a paycheck from GJ. I'll see what I can do about taking some pics for you in the next day or two Big Mike....until then, get some rest their just model planes.
All is forgiven for being so naive Mikey....I don't receive a paycheck from GJ. I'll see what I can do about taking some pics for you in the next day or two Big Mike....until then, get some rest their just model planes.
Well, you sure seem biased toward the company. You stand-up for them on issues they deserve to be called-out for, as if you have a stake in things. I'm not alone in noticing the trend. Plus, you mentioned you got your model a "few weeks back", but this model only hit retailers this past week. All that, plus your location in Vegas, led me to believe you might be connected to the company in some way, which you didn't deny. Not that it matters...
It's funny: whenever people on this forum feel like they've run out of legitimate counter-points to a debate, they try to laugh it all off and accuse the other person of taking models way too seriously. I know they're "just model planes". But this is a forum dedicated to nothing but said subject, so excuse me if I wanna bring up something I don't like about a model. Do I dwell on a Gemini QC issue throughout my day? Will I lose sleep over the windowline issue on the DL A319? Of course not. But is it something irritating that is worthy to be discussed on this forum? Sure.
Well, you sure seem biased toward the company. You stand-up for them on issues they deserve to be called-out for, as if you have a stake in things. I'm not alone in noticing the trend.
Jesus- I'll fade back to black, this is to god damn much bro.
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Jesus- I'll fade back to black, this is to god damn much bro.
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Sorry that you feel that way...
Look, it's great if you love Gemini and wanna be their fan-boy all the time and earn some brownie points. On the whole, I am a big supporter of Gemini as well and think they have a decent product for the price. They have brought a lot to the 1:200 table over the last couple of years. But exercising a little bit of free speech every once and a while and pointing out bush league mistakes on Gemini models ain't gonna kill anyone.
Either way Mike, my personal copy of the DL baby bus is straight and level right where it should be.
That is straight out a big fat lie! In this day and age, it is very easy to get access to a camera even if yours is not functioning. I do not believe for a second that your Delta A319 has the windows in the right position on both sides. No way!
You do realize Gemini does not own/operate the factories, right?
Yes, I've heard that. Even so, it is their responsibility, when a product bares their name, to make certain that product is up to standard prior to distribution. This is the second failure, for the second month in a row. It's inexcusable.
I'm secretly hoping Gemini will cover this by releasing a Delta A320 ASAP which has the correct window placement, although I prefer the A319, it would be an acceptable compromise for me.
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I'm secretly hoping Gemini will cover this by releasing a Delta A320 ASAP which has the correct window placement, although I prefer the A319, it would be an acceptable compromise for me.
I absolutely agree. This would be a good compromise.
I was not planning on buying this model anyway, but I am curious to see how this plays out as more and more people receive theirs and start to post some photos. If only a few seem to have the defect, it's even more bizarre. In other words, someone must have seen the problem and corrected it. They (the factory) must have made a decision to release the faulty ones anyway. I wonder how the QC process works for the factory and GJ200 (along with others like IF200, etc...). It brings to mind the first release of the Pan Am L-1011 by IF200. If I recall correctly, the cheat line was way too high...
I'll volunteer to go to China to help with QC IF GJ200 agrees to give me free 1/200 models of every release they do from here on out! Since I've got experience in China, it should be a no-brainer! Why do I think this won't happen??? !
I'll volunteer to go to China to help with QC IF GJ200 agrees to give me free 1/200 models of every release they do from here on out! Since I've got experience in China, it should be a no-brainer! Why do I think this won't happen??? !
'Cause you already know Gemini's excuse... eerrr... explanation:
-It's China's fault
-They're very sorry
-They will consult the president
-The president is up all day & night working on it
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