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Old 06-10-2009, 06:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Second release from the HM stable and well not a lot one can say, only that it’s what we have been plugging away for,.. for what seems like an eternity….…..

(any comments, please post and be assured they will find their way back to HM..)

Looking at a September (09) delivery date…. Similar run size to a Gemini 200…

Personally they can do as many of these as they want to…

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Very nice. Does landing gears roll or not?
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No idea.... (Ill ask the question..)
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@AgentX20: ditto me for that query... looks like the wheels do not roll...
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I like. I want. I'll have. Thanks for posting the pics.

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The landing gear is optional, so...
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I think the wheels roll, except for the nose wheel. That what it looks like from here, anyway.

What a cracker! This will be on my list FOR SURE. What a wonderful way for HM to start a line of classic propliners that haven't been done to death, and in all those classic liveries. This PAA one is a great choice for openers.

Next, I guess can be the DC-6 (arguably the 'Golden Age'), then moving on to the Convair 240 (tonnes of airlines there!) and continue with the ever popular Connies?

This could be exciting times, especially if you are into real 'classic' propliners!
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Oh THAT is SOOOO NICE !!!!!!!!! ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE !!!!!
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Well done. I'm getting one as well.
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This will be on my list FOR SURE. What a wonderful way for HM to start a line of classic propliners that haven't been done to death. This could be exciting times, especially if you are into real 'classic' propliners!
Not so much having been done to death, but these are more the type of models that I want to collect (If I had my time again, I think I would have just collected Smallworld stuff..)

They will be exciting times but only on the priviso that the manufacturers can get the required numbers away.... with a bit of savvy and co-operation, I don't think this will be too much of a problem...

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Not so much having been done to death, but these are more the type of models that I want to collect (If I had my time again, I think I would have just collected Smallworld stuff..)
My world as well! Smallworld is soooooooo pricey (£159.95 OUCH!) and they use decals, don't they? Not too keen on that.

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They will be exciting times but only on the priviso that the manufacturers can get the required numbers away.... with a bit of savvy and co-operation, I don't think this will be too much of a problem...

(One day a Vanguard..!!)
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My world as well! Smallworld is soooooooo pricey (£159.95 OUCH!) and they use decals, don't they? Not too keen on that.
Yes they do, but really they have been the only game in town for new 1/200 retro stuff apart from the very odd Herpa and one or two other wierd subjects... the real problem is the volume of output and there aint much left after that squillionaire nutter Bridges has bought up the entire stock of Connies..

Decals v tampo - tend to feel the Smallworld ones are better than the old Western/Skyline models... I dont think STOL approaches off the kitchen worksurface is adviseable with Smallworld stuff... so the models shouldnt be getting too much wear and tear..!!

Hopefully we shall see a measured resurgence in the retro world... its certainly been given a boost with the recent Western stuff..
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Already have mine on order... The pre-production photos look wonderful - thanks Agent for the previews!

It will be interesting to see how the new Western responds to this. As much as I love all the Electras floating around now, HM's move into other prop-liners is very welcomed. The livery possibilities are endless. It would also be nice if the new WM re-released the retro GSE sets. I've got two of them (and paid a ton to get them) - they will go well with the new wave of retro airliners. Bring on the DC-6, 7, CV-240/440, and Connies. And while you're at it, throw in a dash of Viscount, topped off with a touch of Vanguard...
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Already have mine on order... The pre-production photos look wonderful - thanks Agent for the previews!

It will be interesting to see how the new Western responds to this. As much as I love all the Electras floating around now, HM's move into other prop-liners is very welcomed. The livery possibilities are endless. It would also be nice if the new WM re-released the retro GSE sets. I've got two of them (and paid a ton to get them) - they will go well with the new wave of retro airliners. Bring on the DC-6, 7, CV-240/440, and Connies. And while you're at it, throw in a dash of Viscount, topped off with a touch of Vanguard...
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Yes they do, but really they have been the only game in town for new 1/200 retro stuff apart from the very odd Herpa and one or two other wierd subjects... the real problem is the volume of output and there aint much left after that squillionaire nutter Bridges has bought up the entire stock of Connies..

Decals v tampo - tend to feel the Smallworld ones are better than the old Western/Skyline models... I dont think STOL approaches off the kitchen worksurface is adviseable with Smallworld stuff... so the models shouldnt be getting too much wear and tear..!!

Hopefully we shall see a measured resurgence in the retro world... its certainly been given a boost with the recent Western stuff..

Bonjour from the Squillionaire nutter ! A compliment par excellence.

Sorry about the Smallworld Connies, but did have to request those and they were all made to order. I suppose it does tie Martin up though.

Thw HM DC-4 looks really good I reckon. The face looks right and that's always a big plus. I think the front wheel might roll. The front gear definitely looks better than the Phoenix Carvair so that's a relief.

So let the arguments begin about future schemes. And of course The Canadair C4 Merlin version.

Thanks for the pics, better than I'd ever expected....well done HM.
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Bonjour from the Squillionaire nutter ! A compliment par excellence.

Thanks for the pics, better than I'd ever expected....well done HM.
S'alright.. felt the pictures should go up as you did say you hadn't seen them..

Airline suggestions.....???
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S'alright.. felt the pictures should go up as you did say you hadn't seen them..

Airline suggestions.....???
Where can I start?? I suppose at my beginning:

After ridding themselves of the expensive-to-run Canadair C4-1 (Merlin versions), CPA used 5 from 1950, disposing of the last in April 1957. These 5 actually came from Pan Am, yet regrettably, none were from HM's upcoming offering.

Outside of this, there are PLENTY of classic American airlines that fit the subject quite well, so how about something from American, or United, or Alaska, or Colonial, or Western? I'm sure there are scads more, upon some further digging.

I'm not sure which UK or European major airlines used these aside from KLM and BOAC, I'm afraid.

Anyone else?

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How about one of the classics in American aviation - Capital Airlines. And yes, American Airlines would look great too. There's also Delta, etc...
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Where can I start?? I suppose at my beginning:

After ridding themselves of the expensive-to-run Canadair C4-1 (Merlin versions), CPA used 5 from 1950, disposing of the last in April 1957. These 5 actually came from Pan Am, yet regrettably, none were from HM's upcoming offering.

Outside of this, there are PLENTY of classic American airlines that fit the subject quite well, so how about something from American, or United, or Alaska, or Colonial, or Western? I'm sure there are scads more, upon some further digging.

I'm not sure which UK or European major airlines used these aside from KLM and BOAC, I'm afraid.

Anyone else?

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Wow that is pretty. too bad it's not the blue ball scheme!
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Remember the RCAF operated one with normal engines the Canadair C-5, serial 10000, ..
Well I never knew that !

European schemes please: AIR FRANCE, IBERIA, TAP, followed by SABENA, KLM, SWISSAIR, SAS, ALITALIA, TAI (?) , Starways (of Liverpool).
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What a cracker! This will be on my list FOR SURE. What a wonderful way for HM to start a line of classic propliners that haven't been done to death, and in all those classic liveries. This PAA one is a great choice for openers.

Next, I guess can be the DC-6 (arguably the 'Golden Age'), then moving on to the Convair 240 (tonnes of airlines there!) and continue with the ever popular Connies?

This could be exciting times, especially if you are into real 'classic' propliners!
Yes, yes, yes I hope so to all that you said.

Also like the CP Air scheme on your Avator. Is there a name for it. would def buy a 1st choice Brit in that scheme too.

Meanwhile, DC-4's to look forward to.
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I'll take that baby right now as is. Why wait til September!?
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This is one of the most historic aircraft of all time. It was the basis for design of the entire DC 6/7 series. It was the airliner that defeated the flying boats. Because of the hundreds built during WW Twice, they were available for reasonable prices, and new runways dotted the world on tried and proven war routes. I flew Eastern DC 4s from SDF-ATL-PIE-MIA night coaches. I had a terrible flight over ATL one summer night, bouncing around through a summer thunderstorm. For our non-US members, the ferocity of summer thunderstorms must be experienced to be believed.

Capital, among others, used them well into the 1960s. Capital was one of the first to paint "square" window frames around the oval windows to trick the passengers into thinking it was a pressurized DC 6. The number of airlines, let alone air forces who flew them must be staggering. BTW, it is the aircraft that saved Berlin during the airlift.

One question I have is will it balance OK on its landing gear? It seems so in the photo. If it wouldn't, then a neat solution is to have a tail stand (ala IL 62) that the real aircraft almost always used while at the ramp.

Now we need this in 400 scale as well.
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SDF - Thanks for a very informative post. I was too young to remember when the Capital DC-4 flew into Rochester New York. By the time I was old enough to really pay attention (late 1950s) the DC-6, Viscounts, and others were coming in more regularly. One of these days I want to review my Dad's old photos of airliners from back then. I know he took a fair amount... Who knows what treasures I'll find.
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I'd buy those too (providing I can eventually get my CPA one too!)

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Yes, yes, yes I hope so to all that you said.
If HM (and us collectors) has the dedication, this model could be a HUGE winner, thanks to a myriad of wonderful liveries.

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Also like the CP Air scheme on your Avator. Is there a name for it. would def buy a 1st choice Brit in that scheme too.

Meanwhile, DC-4's to look forward to.

Good question: I'll share what I know regarding the CPA Bristol Britannias. When they were delivered in 1958, they had the 'classic' delivery livery of the 3 red fuselage cheatlines with bare metal in between (not white as so many recent 1:400 models have). The 1959 Dinky Toy (998) got it right after a second attempt.

The image that is in my avatar (photographed at my hometown airport in Prince George, BC), is what I refer to as the '1961 livery' as it was in 1961 that CPA started to take delivery of their DC-8s, and this was the livery that was actually created specifically for these aircraft. The existing 6 Bristol Britannias, several DC-3s, and DC-6s all were repainted to match.


PHOTO: Shot at Prince George, B.C., 1962+

Only the Convair 240s missed out, as they were being phased out during this time. To date, the first time I saw this was Corgi's 1:144 2006 release (of which I bought quite a few!).


PHOTO: Corgi did a very decent job of this, IMPO! The 1958 & 1945 CPA DC-3's in the b/g are my kit-builds.

So, is there a defining name for this latter livery? To my knowledge, not officially. Maybe someone who was active at CPA during this time could add/correct my insight.

Personally, I'd be pleased as punch if '1st Choice' did a Britannia up in the 1961 livery, and I could be counted on scooping AT LEAST two! For me, that would be sweet!! All I'd ask from them is to get the details right, one, which applies to both liveries, being the correct markings under the starboard wing that Corgi (et al) have missed.



Hope this helps!

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I'd sure be up for THAT one too!

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Well done HM ! This one looks more convincing to me than the Electra.
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This is a must have for me.
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Very nice casting and I too will want one - after I get an Electra.

I remember the DC-4 - mainly seeing them at Chicago Midway. I never flew on a DC-4 though I had a few United DC-6 flights back in that era when I was a kid.

I know the DC-4 was not pressurized and was probably one of the last new American airliners so produced. Maybe the Martin 2-0-2 was not pressurized either, can't really quite remember now. I guess Douglas had to proceed on to the pressurized DC-6 to compete with the pressurized Constellations.

May I suggest a few color schemes for this casting?

Chicago and Southern. PSA. Western.

Lots of bare aluminum in the C&S and Western schemes. I believe the DC-4 was the first airplane in the PSA fleet.

And for the Hobby Master Electra I'd enjoy having the Los Angeles Dodgers' "Kay O" in my 1:200 fleet.

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Hi Upkeep,

Do you also collect the vintage larger scale models or you try to stay with 1/200? I also collect Canadian Airline models and would like to network. Send me a PM if you are interested.

Love to see the classics props in 1/200 scale. Great litle model of the DC-4.............so many possible models....blows my mind.
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I would rather have that than something oversized or Phoenix Carvairlike

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HM have come back.. rear ones roll, front one is static...

I would rather have that than something oversized or Phoenix Carvairlike

I agree Agent. It seems that a scale rolling front wheel might not be physically possible. I'll live with it - I'll just lubricate the runway centre line to avoid squeaky departures.
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HM have come back.. rear ones roll, front one is static...

I would rather have that than something oversized or Phoenix Carvairlike

I can live with that too. It seems understandable that an 'L' shaped front strut with rolling wheel, in scale, would be a serious challenge at 1:200. I can see it being quite feasible if it was an inverted 'T' strut, as a number of the 1:400/1:200 guys do it routinely on modern commercial jets.

That shot really shows a tasteful interpretation of the cockpit windows, elegant lining on the nose, etc. I suspect this (and follow-up liveries) is going to be a runaway success for HM & Co.

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This one please 1st version with silver roof. I think they put a white roof on this scheme at some time but retained the silver tail. Anybody know for sure ? If so HM could get 2 versions in at one time.
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ranchero was correct in his musings. I remember stewardesses handing out chewing gum before take-off so you had a shot at clearing your ears.

I would love to see the oft-neglected Chicago & Southern DC 4, DC 3, and Connies in their green and yellow paint. When I started with Delta at ORD in 1969, we had a C & S clock in counter control.
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Air France in silver.
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The whole thread to this point, the bits about the DC4's anyway.... has been shipped off to Hobbymaster pretty much in its entirety.. Thanks for the input....

Naturally if any mistakes are made, we operate a no blame culture.... but its that guy Bridges fault..
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