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Old 04-16-2008, 03:42 PM   #1
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So I'm admiring my HE Lufthansa 727-100, and decide to put along some other 727's just to compare them. I put IF200, (eventhough is a 727-200), Phoenix 727-100 and of course the HE 727-100.

Then I realized that the HE and Phoenix are almost identical, great nose chape, and details, and as I started to compare the details I found more and more similarities... now my question: Do they share moulds? who owns it? Phoenix has came up with a few 727's; I have 2, AA and TWA. HE has released a few as well, I have Hapag Lloyd and LH. I took a couple pics, sorry about the quality but the lighting seems to be awful when pics are taken with my phone...

Both models, HE on the Left, Phoenix on the Right




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Belly comparaision... note both are identical



I have more pics, will post if requested...
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Old 04-16-2008, 05:10 PM   #2
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I remember that quite some time ago someone came up with a statment that the Phoenix was shorter than the Herpa, or something like that. So based on that I don't believe that it's the same mould.
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Old 04-16-2008, 08:28 PM   #3
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It seems to me that they are both the same lenght, there a number of other similarities:
Both use plastic engines
Both have the center No. 2 turbine inlet closed (at it seems the same deepness)
The body details are the same..

Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, that is why I'm asking, if that is the case, is a hell of a coincidence
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Old 04-17-2008, 07:48 AM   #4
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Yes, it is the same mould basically. Herpa sources models from different manufacturers (like HOGAN) and therefore some share the same moulds. Herpa does not have a manufacturing plant themselves. Exccept very limited capacity in Germany, where those very expensive Herpa Premium and other plastic models come from.
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Sorry for my mistake.
Good to know something new about Herpa.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:17 AM   #6
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I'm admiring my HE Lufthansa 727
Me, too!!! The Herpa 721 definetly has a nice Boeing-style nose and a perfect tail-section - two important features you will not find on an Inflight 721!







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The Herpa 721 definetly has a nice Boeing-style nose and a perfect tail-section - two important features you will not find on an Inflight 721!
That's true.... as I said in other thread, I received that LH 721 and a HE Premium A300 in the same shipment.... and wasn't impressed about the A300 as much as I was with this 721, next day I bought Hapag Lloyd to complement the collection!
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Okay now the real deal on the mould...It was originally designed and payed for by Gemini Jets to roll out the new 200 scale many years ago...A disagreement between the factory and gemini evolved and Gemini pulled the mould from factory and through a mutual agreement let Phoenix use them...Then after more negotiations with the origianal factory in reference to other business interersts it was agreed that the mould would be coshared with them, thus leading to the Herpa name stamped on them..

B-Huj is right, Herpa does not make models other then the Premium line made in Germany, everything is outsourced mostly by Hogan and stamped and sold as Herpa...
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Thanks Russ for the background. By the way, I did go to youtube and saw the prank video, which I had already seen before. The rocket-propelled sledge is one thing, but I think a waterskiing public toilet is even worse...look it up.
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Thanks Russ for the background. By the way, I did go to youtube and saw the prank video, which I had already seen before. The rocket-propelled sledge is one thing, but I think a waterskiing public toilet is even worse...look it up.
Yeah I had seen that one too...I guess lawsuits are not as prevelent over there as this would definately lead to one here!
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Thanks for the info Crownvic, guess the same happens to other HE moulds... especially the diecast ones... I have to say that now that I have seen how accurate it is, I wished HE or Phoenix had released more of them.
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Thanks for the info Russ.
I just recieved my 1st PH B721s yesterday.
I got AA & TWA and they are fantastic! I love them.
I love the mould and liveries.
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Old 04-23-2008, 06:21 PM   #13
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With that type of accuracy, it makes you wonder why is that Phoenix does not make a 707/720 mould... It would be a killer amongst retro collectors as the level of detail is well ahead of IF200... Even then, there are so many possible liveries on those 2 aircraft that it wouldn't be a fierce competition between IF200 and Phoenix...
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