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Old 01-19-2008, 09:13 AM   #1
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Well, I had the opportunity to purchase both the AA and CO 737's yesterday but didn't because the main gear is rediculously tall on these model's.
Yes, on the Next Generation 737s there is some forward leaning but not to the extent that the model has.
When I looked at the gear I noticed that there is a rubber piece in the main gear well that could be removed to help with the hight problem.
I hope this problem is fixed soon as I want some of these jets!
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To be honest, this is terribly, terribly dissapointing. Very few things would make me say this, but the lean is a deal breaker. It just looks 'fake'. While some criticize the IF 722 mould, the lean is definitely right. Think of all the weight in the back with the T-Tail. If IF can do it, why not G2?!?



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Did you try flipping the main gear around? It has been stated that some of the workers at the factory inadvertanly installed the main landing gear backwards. That may help.

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No, I checked the gear on both models carefully and found that they are in the correct position. GJ has just modeled the gear incorrectly which is also seen in some other pictures people have posted too.
I'm dissapointed because I buy models for the realism that is captured and these are great up to the gear.
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screw these GJ complaint threads. sorry
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...dont read them. If this is a place to discuss likes and dislikes of models then what is the problem? If I am going to pay upwards of $60 for a collectable model that is advertised to be an accurate reproduction of a real plane then others need to be made aware of problems with it.
My criticism was not a petty thing like a door being one window off. Instead it has to do with the simple fact that the main gear are really much too high which elevates the rear of the model.
I also have hands on experience working with the 737 and know what Im talking about. Just my two cents.
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Although I have yet to see one of the new GJ 737s in the flesh, I've been leery of the main gear being too tall judging from pics. I've mentioned it several times in other threads. Thanks for the confirmation on this citjet, no matter how disappointing it is.

Although I've already ordered the Continental, if it's as bad as you say it is (and looks from some of the pics I've seen), this will probably be my last GJ 737. I'm normally not one to rip at a model or manufacturer for some petty error, but something like this is a deal killer for me as well. I don't understand it.. if GJ makes such a beautiful mould with excellent printing and detail, why ruin it by messing up something as seemingly simple as the height of the main landing gear?

To answer my own question sort of, I think (and again this is just judging by pics; I won't have my Continetal copy in my hands until I'm home next week) GJ has the engines swung too low on these birds, and to give proper "ground clearance", had to jack up the mains. The result is an unrealistic clownish look.

It's great that there are people here like Kaitanium who don't care about problems like these, but for us who can't overlook them, it's pretty disappointing.

That said, I will reserve final judgement until I have the model in hand, but I'm not holding my breath...
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its not that i dont have any qualms about models. its just that GJ has already done so much for the modeling world and had taken the first step in offering what collectors want lately that it feels out of place for us to not buy the model and support them.

but i guess the more complaints the better the product will be? and i suppose collect what you like and like what you collect.

just dont be sorry down the road when there is still no one that can match GJs offerings now and all GJs are sold out by then. i doubt GJ will redo their released planes now and make them "more accurate."

whenever i can get a hold of my southwest one ill see what all the fuss is about. maybe i can figure out something and help you guys out in correcting this problem yourself.

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Here's an idea guys...just replace the gears with the gear doors and display the model on the stand...See, problem solved..lol...I have no problem with it cause i display mine on the stand...I understand that GJ could of fixed this, but seriously guys, again, it is just a model...enjoy what GJ is doing cause IMHO no other manufacturer is producing the quality of these models..

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Well, I had the opportunity to purchase both the AA and CO 737's yesterday but didn't because the main gear is rediculously tall on these model's.
Yes, on the Next Generation 737s there is some forward leaning but not to the extent that the model has.
When I looked at the gear I noticed that there is a rubber piece in the main gear well that could be removed to help with the hight problem.
I hope this problem is fixed soon as I want some of these jets!
Have you tried to remove the rubber piece, or is it glued in?

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Here's an idea guys...just replace the gears with the gear doors and display the model on the stand...See, problem solved..lol...
I was actually gonna suggest the same thing. lol. Just put the gear doors on and display it on the stand.
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its not that i dont have any qualms about models. its just that GJ has already done so much for the modeling world and had taken the first step in offering what collectors want lately that it feels out of place for us to not buy the model and support them.

but i guess the more complaints the better the product will be? and i suppose collect what you like and like what you collect.

just dont be sorry down the road when there is still no one that can match GJs offerings now and all GJs are sold out by then. i doubt GJ will redo their released planes now and make them "more accurate."

whenever i can get a hold of my southwest one ill see what all the fuss is about. maybe i can figure out something and help you guys out in correcting this problem yourself.
Oh I definitely appreciate what GJ is doing for the 1:200 world and like I said have ordered the CO 73G (and am keeping it regardless of what the gear turns out like), but it's just kinda frustrating when GJ does such an excellent job on 99% of the model, but the 1% they mess up (the mains) throws the whole look of the model off.

I'll guess I'll have to display them on the stands without the gears, which isn't what I prefer.

But Steve, what is this rubber piece you speak of?
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When I looked at the gear I noticed that there is a rubber piece in the main gear well that could be removed to help with the hight problem.
This is the rubber piece Steve is inquiring about.
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but it's just kinda frustrating when GJ does such an excellent job on 99% of the model, but the 1% they mess up (the mains) throws the whole look of the model off.
I know what you mean but that's OK, Mike...we don't live in a perfect world after all, don't we? I've come to learn that there's not a perfect model out there. Every manufacturer has its flaws and it really comes down to wether you can live with that particular flaw. In this case, it happens to matter much as you said you prefer to display it with the gears. Check out your CO model and let us know what you think later!
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I know what you mean but that's OK, Mike...we don't live in a perfect world after all, don't we? I've come to learn that there's not a perfect model out there. Every manufacturer has its flaws and it really comes down to wether you can live with that particular flaw. In this case, it happens to matter much as you said you prefer to display it with the gears.
Very true, no model is perfect and that's fine with me. Like I said I'm keeping my Conti 737 no matter what and I'm sure will enjoy it. Once I get to inspect it first hand, I'll make my final call. But this removable "rubber piece" makes it sounds like there is hope for the main gear problem after-all.
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But this removable "rubber piece" makes it sounds like there is hope for the main gear problem after-all.
Maybe the rubber piece is supposed to be left intact when using the gear doors, but removed when installing the gears.
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I politely e-mailed Gemini Jets about the landing gear explaining the hight problem at the same time praising their product for how nice they really are.

The reason for there being a big fuss over the gear (not gears btw) is that it is really too tall and that takes away from the realism most look for in one of these models. In all reality wouldn't the same apply if the tail was too small or some detail omitted?

As my favorites being displayed show.....I like them on their 'legs'.



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I think that these planes may be tail heavy. I bought the AA 737 and noticed it too. It is the same as with the Phoenix 737's as well because I had the same thing with my US Airways one. I fixed the gear by pushing the gear back a little bit and it was fine. Remeber the Dash-8's? They had the same problem and one person shortened the gear and noticed that it did that too.
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Can someone post the pic of the model with gear down, not the real aircraft?
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Old 01-19-2008, 09:07 PM   #21
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So can somebody confirm that you are supposed to take that rubber piece out for the gears??
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Just a few comments: (what rubber piece?)

When I removed the model from the foam cradle the right gear just fell off. I tried several ways to get it to remain in place but nothing seems to work, so I may have to glue it in

I did hold the gear in place and set the model down and I did not notice any unusual stance, the model sat fairly level. If the gear was any lower the engines would be touching the ground, there isn't very much clearence as it is although I might add the clearence looks as it should be.

The model did sit on the nose gear ok but it doesn't take very much to get it to fall on its arse. The balance is very delicate. This will drive the dioramas guys nuts as everytime you touch the model or move the base it will most likely fall on its tail.

Otherwise, a very nice model. Pictures when/if I ever get home from work. Maybe thursday the earliest.

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Still awaiting my SW, does the model come with parts
for a "clean" config as well as "gear down" ??
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Still awaiting my SW, does the model come with parts
for a "clean" config as well as "gear down" ??
Yes, comes with parts for gear down or gear up display on a stand.
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i'm assuming that the 737 NG gear is standardized when I make this point,

but I think that although the angle may be a bit overdone, the photo of the KLM can't be used to compare to the earlier pictures of the continental 73G. If the gear height is the same in both, then on a 73G, the angle should be more accentuated, because the distance between the main gear and nose gear is closer. On a 738, it should be a bit less.

but that is assuming that the gear on gemini's 737's is the same for the 73G and 738
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I received by AA 738 last week. Conclusion: the slope of the fuselage created by the gear is less noticeable on the 738 than the 73G because of its length. Really, though, after a while, it becomes nothing. The only thing that bothered me about the gear is that they purposely made it high to compensate for weight of the rear of the plane. On the flipside, GJ has truly captured the shape of the 737 engine; they're flawless. Anyhow, here are some pictures I took with my phone- sorry for the quality
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oh it doesnt look thAT bad guys. BUT Tcaeyx, your images have lens distortion which still isnt a good judgment for us who dont have the model yet to base our decisions off of.


and that engine strake is HUGE
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Tcaeyx,

Can you show more pictures of your jetway? Nice...
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I was wondering the same thing about the AS 737. Either HG or HE, I would think.
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Well, I posted the photo of KLM's 737 to illustrate how it should look. If the Gemini is compaired to the Phoenix 737's, I think the difference is quite apparent.
One other thing is that the GJ models are made of aluminium right? The Phoenix models are die cast and much heavier but do sit correctly with the same tail sitting if pushed down. So aluminum should have less of an effect.
Awe heck....I may get on of them anyway and do some surgery to the gear.
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So guys are you supposed to take those rubber pieces off or not? Does anybody know?
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Well, I posted the photo of KLM's 737 to illustrate how it should look. If the Gemini is compaired to the Phoenix 737's, I think the difference is quite apparent.
One other thing is that the GJ models are made of aluminium right? The Phoenix models are die cast and much heavier but do sit correctly with the same tail sitting if pushed down. So aluminum should have less of an effect.
Awe heck....I may get on of them anyway and do some surgery to the gear.
well, i dont understand why you're comparing to pheonix. 737ng vs. 737classic.

737ng have taller landing gear than 737 classic, so naturally, the gemini is taller. i agree that it may be a bit overdone, but comparing them to pheonix isn't right.
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Guys

The model must be accurate - bottom line. From the photos the main gear is definately high and detracts from what is otherwise an excellent model. I think its great that Gemini is producing models in the 1:200 scale but as I am paying for them I want them completely accurate. As Gemini (and any other business) operates to make a profit I do not feel sorry - they must sort out the gear and then they will sell many more examples.
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The model must be accurate - bottom line. From the photos the main gear is definately high and detracts from what is otherwise an excellent model. I think its great that Gemini is producing models in the 1:200 scale but as I am paying for them I want them completely accurate. As Gemini (and any other business) operates to make a profit I do not feel sorry - they must sort out the gear and then they will sell many more examples.
Endless debate here... Although I agree 100% with you (I had the same issue with their 1/400 DHC-8-400), many people will answer you "why aren't you happy ? That's the only one we can get !". Will GJ fix this ? No. Why ? Because people will buy them anyway.
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Will GJ fix this ? No. Why ? Because people will buy them anyway.
Bottom line is, if you are not happy or don't like it, vote with your wallet and don't buy it!
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Hope there won't be any tempting special liveries. With this gear the model really looks like a dragster.
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The Alaska 737 is the Herpa/Hogan 739

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It has detailed wings, whereas the Hogan does not. Is that correct?
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It has detailed wings, whereas the Hogan does not. Is that correct?
Yes that's right even though both HE & HG versions have same registration too.
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Because Hogan and Herpa are the same. Just figured they'd be the same, the only difference being Herpa is pre-assembled whereas Hogan is not. Someone else posted a thread on their A380 and felt ripped off because he bought a Herpa A380 then received or saw one by Hogan and it was the same exact model only unassembled.
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Because Hogan and Herpa are the same. Just figured they'd be the same, the only difference being Herpa is pre-assembled whereas Hogan is not. Someone else posted a thread on their A380 and felt ripped off because he bought a Herpa A380 then received or saw one by Hogan and it was the same exact model only unassembled.
You know, for a B737 it doesn't matter much. Yes, the wings may be plain but I don't see the point of paying double for the HE version of the same model. Plus, with the HG version, you save quite a bit of space for the box too.
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Yeah, I'm wondering if I wouldn't be better off buying the Hogan version and then a wing detail decal sheet for it.
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i dont know if the detail sheet has those black outlines for the corroguard.
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i dont know if the detail sheet has those black outlines for the corroguard.
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Are the outlines shown in the upper left corner of the decal sheet?
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One point I was trying to make when compairing the GJ with Phoenix was that if it was GJ trying to keep the model from sitting on its tail would not make sence since they are using a lighter material. Thats all.
I am still going to get one of the GJ NG737's. But I will try to make some mod's to it.
That Delta version is looking mighty fine (not counting the gear). I happen to be someone who has good attention to detail.
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One point I was trying to make when compairing the GJ with Phoenix was that if it was GJ trying to keep the model from sitting on its tail would not make sence since they are using a lighter material. Thats all.
I am still going to get one of the GJ NG737's. But I will try to make some mod's to it.
That Delta version is looking mighty fine (not counting the gear). I happen to be someone who has good attention to detail.
Whether material is heavy or light doesn't make a difference for CG purposes anyway. And increasing main gear length is the least efficient way (if efficient at all) to address a tail heavy trouble.
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Default Re: GJ 737's gear not right

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Originally Posted by Mystère View Post
Whether material is heavy or light doesn't make a difference for CG purposes anyway. And increasing main gear length is the least efficient way (if efficient at all) to address a tail heavy trouble.
You are just emphasizing my point. If that is the reason to raise the main gear to the hight that they have for weight reasons is silly.
If anyone has build models knows that to keep the nose down you place some weight in the forward portion of the model.

OK, I'm done with this topic. It's obvious that some don't mind the wrong height of the main gear and some of us do. I just wanted to address the problem and let those of us know that THAT part of the model is not right. The rest is, I agree, really really nice.
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