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Old 05-28-2007, 04:28 PM   #1
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dont we have enough united 727-100s?
here is the second of the forthcoming INFLIGHT200 Boeing 727-100s



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The entire nose section of this thing is just wrong. Looks like a cheap toy or something. I think it's the out-of-scale (too big) nose gear, the blunt nose, the wavy, blackish cockpit windows...
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The entire nose section of this thing is just wrong. Looks like a cheap toy or something. I think it's the out-of-scale (too big) nose gear, the blunt nose, the wavy, blackish cockpit windows...
I agree! The above nose is WAY off ... it's too blunt, and the cockpit windows are just plain (plane) AWFUL ... what is the matter with Inflight?
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The entire nose section of this thing is just wrong.
Relax, it's an InFlight after all - no one should be surprised.
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I agree IF's 727 noses don't look quite right, i.e. a bit too blunt as said, but I think what some of you are seeing re: the cockpit windows is a bit of a visual illusion, as the livery IF used here is where the blue cheatline went thru the cockpit windows, as I believe PAA did on their DC-8's, and I feel that this makes the windows look "strange".
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Here's a pic of the Phoenix (middle) and the Herpa (bottom) ... I saw the Phoenix and Herpa versions in person while I was in Hong Kong, and these models are sharp! I almost bought one, but bought a United 747-400 (Hogan) instead.

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I have the Phoenix and it is nice. The landing gear is off on the Inflight.
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Inflight did an excellent job of matching the fuselage/wing seam to the wing-body fairing.

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Inflight did an excellent job of matching the fuselage/wing seam to the wing-body fairing.

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Granted, that is true, but being a fussy collector, I will gladly trade an accurate nose for a relatively unsightly body joint/seam elsewhere.

The nose of the plane is where the money is at, and if you don't get that part right, the rest just doesn't matter anymore. I'm not saying that the nose/cockpit windows have to be perfect, but at least 90% accurate to be sufficient. IMHO, this Inflight 727 nose is at best 80% accurate. The printing is just awful, with the eyebrow windows too high, the shape of the nose being too thick and blunt, the nose gear tire being too large ... really basic stuff to get right.

Conversely, the noses on Inflight 707s reach the 90% mark in my book - so why didn't they just duplicate the nose from the 707 for the 727? Or at least as much of it as they could have that was common to both?

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The whole point is that one already has the Herpa/Phoenix United offerrings so it gonna be very unlikely that the Agent pocket will shell out $70-80 for yet another blue cheatline United 727.. there must have been some better schemes.. or can the market take half a dozen United 727's..??

(Pan Am billboard anyone..?)
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I just don't understand how Inflight could get the nose section so completely wrong! They did a great job on the nose of their 707-model - so why didn't they stick to it???

Mike777 is right: The 727 looks like a cheap toy for children - may be you can remember those old tin friction things from the 60s and 70s. Those toys were really awful because they never displayed the real Boeing-look (see my avatar...).

I would prefer the Herpa 727-100 anytime! I have both models in Lufthansa's delivery colours (D-ABID, D-ABIR) - they are perfect!
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the Phoenix models used the Herpa mould until Herpa got the factory to stop letting them use it (or so the story goes)

Phoenix was only able to release:

TWA
Pan Am
United
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Herpa has released (thus far)
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Personally I'm hoping they make the 4 Alaska Icon Tails or at least the Golden Nugget 721
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I just don't understand how Inflight could get the nose section so completely wrong! They did a great job on the nose of their 707-model - so why didn't they stick to it???
The quality of the 707 mould is much better than IF200's 732/722/721 and DC-9. So much better that I have the feeling that their 707 was done by someone else.

Sad but true, I wholeheartedly have to agree with D-AIHC
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The quality of the 707 mould is much better than IF200's 732/722/721 and DC-9. So much better that I have the feeling that their 707 was done by someone else.

Sad but true, I wholeheartedly have to agree with D-AIHC
The only thing consistent about Inflight is their in-consistency.
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Yes, the nose and nose gear are wrong and the wing looks off too. Phoenix looks better.
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The only thing consistent about Inflight is their in-consistency.
Hahaha! That's a good one, M1!
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I wonder if they will sell this at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, they have the Skymarks 200 version. It is just like the one in the museum they got several yers ago.
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Hahaha! That's a good one, M1!
I didn't think about it when I typed it, but "In-flight" and "In-consistency" do go hand-in-hand it seems.

BTW, check out this George Shinn creation ... it's in the "Custom Made Models" section of the website:

Now this is what a 727 should look like!!!




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The only thing consistent about Inflight is their in-consistency.
BRAVO! well said sir!

Looks like B727 got punched in the nose! swollen nose! look at the cockpit window to the roof; big bump / hump! what is that? DC-3?!?!??!

yeah, the nose wheel too, yuck! that's why i never see myself buying IF200 B727s. Even if it were PAN AM BILLBOARD.

i would buy HERPA United B721 over IF200 United B721 anyday. Only factor that made me HESITATE was the fact that IF200 is LIMITED release as compared to Herpa's non-limited quantities (until they decide to stop manufacturing that is). I like my models being 'limited release' u know? more rare and all...
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I like my models being 'limited release' u know? more rare and all...
I see your point Jason and before I go on farther, no model out there is perfect. But given a choice of a limited run of 100 pcs. with mistakes, inaccuracies, sloppy printing, etc. and a regular release of 1000 pcs. but with relatively fewer mistakes and looks more like the real aircraft, which would go for? I'd definitely go for the latter because these are aircraft models and you should go with one that is the most accurate in your opinion. If the model happens to be rare, then it's a bonus!
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definitely. i agree with you. i've been saying it all along, that nothing will ever be perfect.

after carefully examining those photos of three United B721, i've decided to go with Herpa model. I love that friend ship scheme with red cheatline on the belly! mmmmm! somebody hold me back!!!

that font and blue stars! add luxury to this livery! mmmm!!!
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BTW, check out this George Shinn creation ... it's in the "Custom Made Models" section of the website:

Now this is what a 727 should look like!!!
Amen to that!!! But his name is Brad, not George! I've got one custom from Brad, and I am seriously considering having him be my sole model supplier. But I don't think he's aware of this, haha!

I am kidding (slightly), as that could get VERY expensive and I don't want to exploit his custom business, lol. But I've said on these boards many times that I prefer quality over quantity, and my tastes in quality, accuracy, detail, realism, etc., went waaay up after seeing what can be done with a kit. In fact, Brad's customs, and many other modelers with a good deal of experience, blow even Herpa Premiums out of the water, so to speak. Now that's saying something. Now that I've seen what can be done with a kit, I don't think I can ever bring myself around to buying a model under the level of Herpa Premium. And for me IF falls below that level. So yeah, quality standards for my collection are slowly on the rise. I am waiting for the day that a steady line the likes of Herpa Premium is released, but I'm pessimistic about that.

I guess for now I will slowly acquire more Premiums or Modell Editions, maybe another custom job or two, and eventually get into kit-building myself. I don't mind buying models at the rate of 1-2 per year if they are Premium-esque or better.
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Amen to that!!! But his name is Brad, not George!
My bad ... I looked up George Shinn and found out that he is the former owner of the Charlotte Hornets NBA franchise ... oops!!!

Brad's work is a-maaaaaaaaaaa-ZING!!! How much does he charge for a custom creation like the 727 that I posted above?

Just curious ...
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My bad ... I looked up George Shinn and found out that he is the former owner of the Charlotte Hornets NBA franchise ... oops!!!

Brad's work is a-maaaaaaaaaaa-ZING!!! How much does he charge for a custom creation like the 727 that I posted above?

Just curious ...
about $250 max
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Good deal! I might have to commission him to do a 747-100 some day!
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...In fact, Brad's customs, and many other modelers with a good deal of experience, blow even Herpa Premiums out of the water, so to speak. Now that's saying something. Now that I've seen what can be done with a kit, I don't think I can ever bring myself around to buying a model under the level of Herpa Premium. And for me IF falls below that level. ...
Most scale modelers I know would be ashamed if some Chinese factory could do better than them.
While pad printing has some advantages, we should not compare a carefully built kit with a made in China diecast (toy) at all. Every averagely skilled scale modeller should be able to build a kit that blows an IF200 out of the water anytime.
It all starts with the plastic kits being the MUCH better quality when it comes to shape and details. Add to that the fact that a scale modeler cares about details such as correct corogard, walkways and other things. Seeing i.e. IF200 models I often enough wonder if they care for what they are doing and why they do it the way they do (take wings and engines on their 707 for example)
With a closer look to some IF200 models for example you'll see that their artwork obviousely was done for a smaller scale version (AC/BB400 1/400) and was just scaled up as the detailing is lacking to say the least (engine logos on 747 proto. for example, 1/400 artwork) and particularily on their 707 wing printing which I consider to be one of the most undetailed, wrongest and bluntest looking things this hobby has to offer.

There's however one big pro with those Chinese diecast models. It just takes 5min to get them on your shelf, and for the purpose of filling empty shelfes they a rather good representations of the real thing.

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There's however one big pro with those Chinese diecast models. It just takes 5min to get them on your shelf, and for the purpose of filling empty shelfes they a rather good representations of the real thing.
Diecast airliners have come a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng way in the past decade or so, and for all intents and purposes, they are a very reasonably accurate approximation of an airliner in scale, particular those in the 1/400th realm.

I think back at those AeroMinis I owned when I was a kid with those yellowed decals and the joint lines cutting across near the windowline on the 747s and grow to appreciate everything that Gemini, Dragon, Aeroclassics, and other reputable manufacturers have produced. You don't even need to go back that far - just think of those early 1/500 Herpas with toylike landing gears and flat engine pylons!

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Most scale modelers I know would be ashamed if some Chinese factory could do better than them.
While pad printing has some advantages, we should not compare a carefully built kit with a made in China diecast (toy) at all. Every averagely skilled scale modeller should be able to build a kit that blows an IF200 out of the water anytime.
It all starts with the plastic kits being the MUCH better quality when it comes to shape and details. Add to that the fact that a scale modeler cares about details such as correct corogard, walkways and other things. Seeing i.e. IF200 models I often enough wonder if they care for what they are doing and why they do it the way they do (take wings and engines on their 707 for example)
With a closer look to some IF200 models for example you'll see that their artwork obviousely was done for a smaller scale version (AC/BB400 1/400) and was just scaled up as the detailing is lacking to say the least (engine logos on 747 proto. for example, 1/400 artwork) and particularily on their 707 wing printing which I consider to be one of the most undetailed, wrongest and bluntest looking things this hobby has to offer.

There's however one big pro with those Chinese diecast models. It just takes 5min to get them on your shelf, and for the purpose of filling empty shelfes they a rather good representations of the real thing.
I was comparing a well assembled kit to a Herpa Premium/Modell Edition, which BTW are made in Germany. There is no-doubt that it doesn't take much to get the finished result of a plastic kit looking MUCH better than an IF200, you are right. Like I said I was talking about Premium/Modell Editions specifically, which are much more accurate, detailed, and assembled with more care and knowledge than anything from China. To me there is a big distinction between the quality level of an IF200 and a Premium, with the latter of course being much better. The point I was trying to make is that from now on I don't want to collect any models below the "line" of a Premium, as I'd rather have a small collection of really nice models than a large collection of average models. I know that that doesn't really leave me with a large selection of pre-built models, and as such it is inevitable that I will buy more custom made plastic kits and eventually venture into building them myself. The end-result of a kit assembled by an experienced modeler is exactly the kind of model I'm after, and yes, not surprisingly such a model blows Herpa Premiums out of the water, which in my opinion is a very nice line of models.
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With a closer look to some IF200 models for example you'll see that their artwork obviousely was done for a smaller scale version (AC/BB400 1/400) and was just scaled up as the detailing is lacking to say the least (engine logos on 747 proto. for example, 1/400 artwork) and particularily on their 707 wing printing which I consider to be one of the most undetailed, wrongest and bluntest looking things this hobby has to offer.
That's because they are all made in the same factory.
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The point I was trying to make is that from now on I don't want to collect any models below the "line" of a Premium, as I'd rather have a small collection of really nice models than a large collection of average models.
Good for you, Mike! As long as you can afford it, why not?
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Good for you, Mike! As long as you can afford it, why not?
Yeah everyone has different tastes. I know a lot of you guys like to "fleet build" or make dioramas, or just have tons of shelves jammed full of every single Herpa/Hogan/Skymarks/Risesoon/Inflight/Wooster/Flight Miniatures/Pacmin/StarJets200 (what am I missing?) ever made. Personally though that's not my style, I'd rather have a small collection of really nice ones.

I probably won't be buying many models for quite a while though, as I'm about to go to college and will be living away from home, plus will need the money for other stuff, etc. Maybe one or two during summer though ya know.

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