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Old 08-29-2021, 03:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Has anyone else noticed the color difference in the GJ200 Korean 747-400F, and any mainline Korean widebody? I'm not too familiar with the true color, but are the freighters slightly darker and of a different tint than the passenger livery? It is less noticeable in bright light, but otherwise you can see that the shade is not the same.
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This is exactly what I mentioned here:

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Although I´d really like the Korean livery, I stopped buying them because of frustration about the colour matching...
As having been many times in Korea I allow me to judge that only the older Gemini200 B737-800 matches the real color well.
The Cyan colour cannot be judged from my experience from any model photos, as they normally do by far not match the object here exactly - except at such comparing photos above...
The 1/200 models I have show these colours of KAL:
- Hogan: rather bright, but close to the real, esp. compared if the colours of a real plane are older
- JCW: basically nice models, but the colour is always between som and too much to dark or dull, but almost never the same...
- Aviation200 B747-300 had also a pretty dull colour.

I know that colour matching is without defined colour systems a tricky issue. It seems, the established producers are fighting with different success here. Would be happy if better processes could be found. But for the moment things keep me away from buying Korean Air models, also KLM (classic) blue shows a considerable variety, or the underside light grey of Lufthansa planes seems rarely to be the same...
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i like the asiana colors better... but that's just me....
But then again, i did fly on asiana A380 to icn once and the service was top notch as well as having the best economy seat on 2nd deck in the back. so maybe i am just a little bias

As far as color matching goes, unless you use the same paint batch, its really hard to color match exactly a lot of time unfortunately.
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As far as color matching goes, unless you use the same paint batch, its really hard to color match exactly a lot of time unfortunately.
Indeed, it’s a pure guessing game if the manufacturer cannot refer to the original colour code.

However, one and the same manufacturer (or, even better, factory) should be able and maintain the one and same colour code for one and the same airline livery. It would be ridiculous if that wasn’t possible (yes, I know, there are incapabilities you wouldn’t even think of in normal life). Means: when a certain brand releases five different models of the same airline and airline livery, all those five model production runs should be in the very same colours.
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This is the kind of nitpicking I couldn't care less about.

We discuss colorshades, when manufacturers aren't able to do the very basics:
  1. window-/cheatlines being placed on different levels on one model
  2. crooked printed window-/cheatlines
  3. crooked-printed cockpits
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...which leads to wrong placed logos and signatures...

So sorry to spoil the party, but colorshades (if not red or green was used instead of blue in this case) are at the end of what should be accurate on a model - at least to me. This hobby is about collecting model AIRCRAFT, and not model bricks.

Or as some others would tend to say: "there is a certain tolerance" ....also colorwise.
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Boeing didnt get it right either..Gemini Jets and Boeing suck..
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Gemini's blue tends to be slightly darker and less glossy compared to JC's. That being said, if you do a quick search for photos, Korean Air's blue looks very different depending on lighting conditions, and newly painted aircraft tend to look darker and glossier compared to worn out 747-400s or 737-900s.

So yes, Gemini's blue looks different from JC's, and none of JC's blues are identical (HL7630 vs. HL7638), but I personally don't think any of them look unrealistic.

Hope Gemini will produce Korean Air 747-400 PAX version and 777-300ER at some point.
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Pic seems from Gimpo airport!?
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Gemini's blue tends to be slightly darker and less glossy compared to JC's. That being said, if you do a quick search for photos, Korean Air's blue looks very different depending on lighting conditions, and newly painted aircraft tend to look darker and glossier compared to worn out 747-400s or 737-900s.

So yes, Gemini's blue looks different from JC's, and none of JC's blues are identical (HL7630 vs. HL7638), but I personally don't think any of them look unrealistic.

Hope Gemini will produce Korean Air 747-400 PAX version and 777-300ER at some point.
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zjere is a good 77W replica by JCW.
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Pic seems from Gimpo airport!?
Nah, that's Incheon's cargo ramp. Korean Air retired all of their 747-400 BCFs between 2010 and 2014 so the picture's probably from awhile ago.

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zjere is a good 77W replica by JCW.
HL8275's an excellent model but........ almost impossible to find. Only JFox produced Korean Air's 747-400 PAX version some years ago so hopefully, Gemini or JC will give it a shot sooner or later.
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Nah, that's Incheon's cargo ramp. Korean Air retired all of their 747-400 BCFs between 2010 and 2014 so the picture's probably from awhile ago.



HL8275's an excellent model but........ almost impossible to find. Only JFox produced Korean Air's 747-400 PAX version some years ago so hopefully, Gemini or JC will give it a shot sooner or later.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/25420158447...6&toolid=10001

The Inflight counterpart looks even better imho.
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BTW… I hope to see from IF200 some missing KOREAN B747’s (in the last colours) as I believe it is the airline which operates most of the B747 variants.

Therefore I hope for:

- a -100 with 3 upper deck windows

- a -300 and -400 converted freighter

- a -200 and -400 normal freighter

I don’t know if they also operate(d) a -400 Combi (the -300 Combi was already done by IF200), but as they flew the converted freighter version I am pretty sure they also had the original pax version in their fleet.

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Boeing didnt get it right either..Gemini Jets and Boeing suck..
Well, if it was Boeing Field and all the Korean Air 747s were fresh off the paint shop, this could have been a comment of relevance…

They are not - and so isn’t the comparison. But maybe GJ delivers a certain worn out (realistic) state of the livery… future releases may give option to chose from
- “Livery all-new prior to operations in Asian weather conditions”
- “Livery after 3 years of operations in Asian weather conditions”;
- “Livery after 5 years of operations in Asian weather conditions”;
- “Livery after 7 years of operations in Asian weather conditions (i.e. totally f*cked up).

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Boeing didnt get it right either..Gemini Jets and Boeing suck..
Hah! exactly!!!


Ah well gotta take it though, not one model is perfect, not one model will ever be perfect even 20 years from now.
So that would mean that all models suck plus every aircraft designer, Airbus, Boeing, Tupolev etc, just a pointless repetitive subject repeating it's self over and over.

As paint variations go every model company has to use their own colors to paint the models, so there will always be varied colors then again what about the color faded real B747's their colors also are different from others that might be like newer, colors always vary even with real aircraft so as that goes I don't see thing being a major issue anyway
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BTW… I hope to see from IF200 some missing KOREAN B747’s (in the last colours) as I believe it is the airline which operates most of the B747 variants.

Therefore I hope for:

- a -100 with 3 upper deck windows
I think Korean Air never had 747-100. The one with 3 upper deck windows was -200B HL7440

I also would like IF to make it, but not sure, because they have already release HL7447 in the same livery with 10 upper deck windows not that long time ago.
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I think Korean Air never had 747-100. The one with 3 upper deck windows was -200B HL7440

I also would like IF to make it, but not sure, because they have already release HL7447 in the same livery with 10 upper deck windows not that long time ago.
True. I think KAL‘s first three 747s had three upperdeck windows only; HL7440 thru HL7442 (the latter was shot down on this day 38 years ago over the Pacific Ocean).
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That one was a former CONDOR plane…
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Boeing didn't get it right either..Gemini Jets and Boeing suck..

. I count about 7 different color variations in that photo! Could be light, could be paint, could be all the die-cast manufacturer's secretly paint the 1 to 1, I personally could care less in my collection about color variation of an airline!

I don't collect to get examples of, straight out of the manufacturer's hangar to customer, examples anyway. Color variation of a particular airline's in service fleet is more realistic! Take that S&%t over to the 1:400 toy section with the majority of the micrometer, millimeter, magnifying glass user, tail sitter, cheatline complainers, crocked cockpit whiner's!
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. I count about 7 different color variations in that photo! Could be light, could be paint, could be all the die-cast manufacturer's secretly paint the 1 to 1, I personally could care less in my collection about color variation of an airline!

I don't collect to get examples of, straight out of the manufacturer's hangar to customer, examples anyway. Color variation of a particular airline's in service fleet is more realistic! Take that S&%t over to the 1:400 toy section with the majority of the micrometer, millimeter, magnifying glass user, tail sitter, cheatline complainers, crocked cockpit whiner's!
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... Take that S&%t over to the 1:400 toy section with the majority of the micrometer, millimeter, magnifying glass user...

Obviousely.
This is the 1/200 collector's tool to spot errors:

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...nah us 200 scale collectors use that tool to build new rooms to display our cherished collections or measure to make sure the new display cabinet will fit in an existing room. The 400 crowd use that tool as an inspiration that one day they can collect big boy models! Also a few of the insecure 400 children use that tool to measure their tool, but they really only use 1/54th of the one pictured!
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That one was a former CONDOR plane…
That is correct but nonetheless it was one of the first three 747s in KAL‘s fleet.
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I noticed that photo as well. Not here to bash on anyone, just generally curious of the freighters have a different shade given they have been around for longer.
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That is correct but nonetheless it was one of the first three 747s in KAL‘s fleet.

Korean took over most of the Pratt powered 747-230B when Lufthansa (=Condor) got rid of them in favour for the CF6 powered variants.
Four in total: D-ABYD/E/F/H of which E was a -230F, the first ever built 747F.

They however joined the fleet in 1978/79. Korean had received their two factory fresh sisterships HL4710 and 4711 already back in 1973.
H aka HL7442 should have been #6 for Korean.
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I noticed that photo as well. Not here to bash on anyone, just generally curious of the freighters have a different shade given they have been around for longer.
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I noticed that photo as well. Not here to bash on anyone, just generally curious of the freighters have a different shade given they have been around for longer.
never mind my silly rants G650ER and please don't take me too seriously! I just like to find humor in things and laugh a little! The world needs a little more of this!

...also like to jab the 1:400 crowd a little as I was once there myself! Still would be if it weren't for my aging eyesight!
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never mind my silly rants G650ER and please don't take me too seriously! I just like to find humor in things and laugh a little! The world needs a little more of this!

...also like to jab the 1:400 crowd a little as I was once there myself! Still would be if it weren't for my aging eyesight!
hah yea well put, just never care for errors models have all models have minor mistakes I just never cared for them tbh.

So glad I'm not a nitpicker, that would be to me a damn waste of time and life's value.
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