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Old 07-31-2021, 02:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My nasty ugly evil bad luck continues. Whether I get models manufactured or sell them or collect them for my hobby, I am having a horrible time of late.

I spent close to £200 on buying a rare sold out AeroClassics 1:200 Air New Zealand DC-8-52.

To my shock and horror, it seems that both the wings and the section just below the tail fin have zinc rot cracks. Please see the attached photos.

I thought 1:200 scale models were immune.

This is not just £200 down the drain for me but what is worrying is that I have many AC 1:200 DC-8s in my collection. KLM, UTA, Pan Am, Air Canada and a few others. I have two of some of these. What if these have zinc rot? I will be ruined. I don’t have the courage to check these models.

Maybe some of you guys, perhaps Richard Stretton can confirm whether this is zinc rot.

It would be nice if Andrew Klein can confirm which other 1:200 DC-8 models were produced in the same factory, so I can arrange for the funerals of those DC-8 models.

However, I am not expecting Andrew Klein to reply because three weeks ago according to Mr Klein, I caused him so much pain and suffering that he has sworn never to reply to me or my messages.

Since three weeks Andrew Klein has been behaving like a grumpy woman on her menstrual cycle. If Andrew has some decency and a desire to keep customers happy, then he should stop crying like a woman and instead provide some explanations and assurances.
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Old 07-31-2021, 02:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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My fears seem to be confirmed. Someone has just listed an identical model on eBay.

That model has similar cut / crack marks on one of the wings.

Please see photo 10 of the eBay auction item which is at

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TEAL-Air-...154756-20017-0
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Can someone tell me is this the start of zinc rot ?
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Can someone tell me is this the start of zinc rot ?
Were these marks there when you acquired this model? If they have developed over time then it could be some major problem like zinc rot.

My model, the one on eBay and now yours. This is very worrying.
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I somehow doubt that what I see is zinc-rot.
Given that its always in the same area (the thin wing trailing edge) and going by the looks I'd guess this could be what in German is called "Kaltlauf" - the liquid metal might be filling the mould slightly too slow, solidifying before it reaches those areas 100%.
Not 100% sure though.
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I agree with Alex that this doesn't really look like zinc rot. Based on my experience with diecast toys, this resembles the issues caused by poor moulding. This is quite common with toy cars like Hot Wheels or Matchbox, where you would see fine areas or roofs with similar "cracks" like on your ANZ DC-8.

Zinc rot is usually not too hard to spot on polished surfaces that are unpainted. You can typically expect start to see a blemished area that slowly gets rougher and rougher before it forms cracks.
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Model was purchased new , and has never been displayed, but when I posted pictures of the model the buy spotted it and asked me was it was. Sale feel through so I’ve decided to keep it.
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Model was purchased new , and has never been displayed, but when I posted pictures of the model the buy spotted it and asked me was it was. Sale feel through so I’ve decided to keep it.
The pylon looks like it's scratched up or poor paint prep? Cannot tell for sure.
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Looks like it’s scratched. Other side is ok.
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Looks like it’s scratched. Other side is ok.
The pylon cannot suffer zinc rot....it is made of plastic.

But I really begin to worry about my own AC200 DC-8s and B720s now....which are roughly about 15 - not that that many , but still roughly 1500EUR gone for nothing.
I would assume that Matchbox cars are made of a inferior material compared to todays models - at least I hope so.
Isn't it weird btw, discussing about accuracy and things to improve on certain moulds, not knowing (until now) that some of these models have an expiring date so close you wouldn't have inspected?
This is absurdity at its best!

I am far from being an expert, when it comes to production processes on these models or the used materials themselves, but to me the solution seems to be to get rid of thse standholes - as it is the only part of the model which can't be painted properly (at least you cannot really control it) and get complete corrosion protection....or in this case zinc rot protection. Humidity gets into the non-painted parts of the mould aka the original material, and the decay begins from within the models.

I bought two modelcars not long ago - in their box the retailer put a WARNING "not to put them into direct sunlight to avoid decomposition of the model" ....maybe manufacturers should give out such a warning for their models aswell. Something like "avoid humidi conditions".
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That is not zinc rot...No need to start a panic because you have a personal vendetta against the owner of Aeroclassics.
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Given that the model was only released 1 year ago, it's probably not Zinc rot,
Zinc rot usually takes around 3-4 years for symptoms to show up.
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That is not zinc rot...No need to start a panic because you have a personal vendetta against the owner of Aeroclassics.
That is very wrong to imply that I have lied and made up this fabricated story. This has nothing to do with any vendetta against the owner of AeroClassics.

I am genuinely worried. It is not just my model that has whatever problem on both wings but the one being sold on eBay has similar marks.

You could have worded your reply by saying “there is no need to panic because it doesn’t seem like zinc rot”. Why bring my personal problems with Andrew Klein into this?
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That is not zinc rot...No need to start a panic because you have a personal vendetta against the owner of Aeroclassics.
Hello, that was totally unfair. I don’t have a personal vendetta against Andrew Klein. I don’t like him after his recent behaviour. I don’t like many other people, but that does not mean I have a vendetta against everyone I don’t like. It is also very depressing to learn that my post was considered to be driven by a vendetta and was therefore untrue. What now, a ban?
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I am very upset at the allegations made against me. I have always held AeroClassics models and its owner with the highest regard. Andrew Klein is a brilliant innovator and without AeroClassics, my model collection would be lacking. Andrew also looked after me very well in China, and I have mentioned that before.

Even if I had a personal vendetta against Andrew Klein, I would not make up false stories to discredit him.

I continue to buy AeroClassics models because they are the best and they replicate models of my childhood and they bring great old memories for me.
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THIS POST WILL BE DELETED like others where I have unintentionally spoken against the owner of AeroClassics. If this post is deleted, then this forum will prove its bias and will show that this is not the place to engage in meaningful discussions about diecast aircraft, collectors’ concerns and genuine questions. It seems that by using the “personal vendetta” excuse, this forum is doing its best to protect a particular model producer and concerns against the tiny minority of his models, which are expressed in a truthful manner.

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For Crownvic: Bob Cass of Inflight 200 took my money for a TU-104 mould that has been sitting idle for seven years!!! I have said bad things about Bob Cass and justifiably so. Yet, I have never been accused of a vendetta against Bob Cass and Inflight 200. None of my adverse posts against Bob Cass and Inflight 200 have been deleted, but anything I have said that is critical of Andrew Klein and AeroClassics has been deleted. Why is there so much bias?
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So.. any one in for a drink or two to keep this place a nice place to visit... ?
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So.. any one in for a drink or two to keep this place a nice place to visit... ?
Yep If I wasn't in lockdown.
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I'm not deleting this post, I'm not commenting any further and I'm not banning topic author, in fact I am going to watch you tube video of Xanadu closing roller skating scene with Gene Kelly and Olivia Newton John, much more entertaining than this. Ill take a break from watching Jerry on BigJetTV which Ive been watching all am from LHR...
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I'm not deleting this post, I'm not commenting any further and I'm not banning topic author, in fact I am going to watch you tube video of Xanadu closing roller skating scene with Gene Kelly and Olivia Newton John, much more entertaining than this. Ill take a break from watching Jerry on BigJetTV which Ive been watching all am from LHR...
Please listen to the excellent music by the Electric Light Orchestra (ELO) which was featured in the movie. The movie title song, Xanadu reached number one in England in 1980. Great song. By the way, Olivia Newton-John looks gorgeous. Enjoy!
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Please listen to the excellent music by the Electric Light Orchestra (ELO) which was featured in the movie. The movie title song, Xanadu reached number one in England in 1980. Great song. By the way, Olivia Newton-John looks gorgeous. Enjoy!
Totally agree 100% couldn’t have said it better..
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I continue to buy AeroClassics models because they are the best and they replicate models of my childhood and they bring great old memories for me.
I also continue to buy the classic Aero models because I found them particularly successful, on the other hand I also noticed that the composite metals were not very strong and that it was better not to expose them too much to the light. and also not to manipulate them too much because the wings come off very quickly I must say that it is the only fault that I find them. their D C 8 are marvels and for my part I collect the Boeing 720B. I think that like any collector making a choice is not always easy but it gives so much pleasure
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Love AK's DC-8's and 707's!

Also love ELO!

I think it may be air in casting when pouring...I agree with others that it doesn't appear to be zinc rot!
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Love AK's DC-8's and 707's!

Also love ELO!

I think it may be air in casting when pouring...I agree with others that it doesn't appear to be zinc rot!
Of course it's not zinc rot, but the OP poster is sure making a fool of himself, and I won't stand in his way of doing so!!

Also love ELO!
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Yeah, I was going to hold off saying it, as OP recovered a little from his first couple posts on this thread that were a little harsh...definitely not a good way to get someone to respond by insulting them!

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...I am going to watch you tube video of Xanadu closing roller skating scene with Gene Kelly and Olivia Newton John, much more entertaining than this. Ill take a break from watching Jerry on BigJetTV which Ive been watching all am from LHR...
Watching that video again? It must be a favourite.

How was LHR? Any fun?
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That is not zinc rot, maybe the QC guy was on a break or having a bad day, but certainly not zinc rot.

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That is not zinc rot, maybe the QC guy was on a break or having a bad day, but certainly not zinc rot.
After receiving many comments, I am now convinced this is NOT zinc rot.
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That is not zinc rot, maybe the QC guy was on a break or having a bad day, but certainly not zinc rot.

Crownvic......what is up with the censorship, its getting a little ridic!
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