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Old 06-26-2021, 11:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just recently got these matching AA E175, one with the original wingtip style that are seen with E170, E190/5 and the later post 2014 E175 with the revised angled wingtips that comes as part of an efficiency revision. This angled wingtip style is only available specifically on E175 and not on E170 or 190/5

Despite what Gemini put on the box "E170" for the earlier ver, it is actually E175 because of the number of windows on the left side being twenty as compared to 18 on all the true E170. Also the fuselage length is definitely E175. I think gemini was just being confused because E175 is sometimes labeled as E170-200 earlier on?
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lol... not much of any response? i guess no one into or really hate small commuter planes? i figure there would be a ton of people that have flown on these and have one in their collection?

I myself have flown on the AA E175 like almost on a monthly basis for work.

The angled wingtips is quite unique to look at, I think. There is not many wingtip with this much angle from 90 degree. The A220 wing tip is also fairly angled, but it's quite smaller relatively compared to the E175.
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I have the E175 and had the E170 but I never really noticed the length. The newer winglets weren’t made yet back when I used to work on the ramp. I didn’t know there were new winglets until I started seeing E75S and E75L pop up at work on flight plans.
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I too never knew about the different winglets, thanks for the photo showing the difference.
Regarding using one mould for two fuselage lengths, there was a discussion about this about a year ago.
Seems JC and GJ are using the 190 mould for both the 190 and 195, simplify adding more, but smaller windows to get the right number.
Herpa has a plastic ERJ mould, don't know how they addressed the different lengths.

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I have the E175 and had the E170 but I never really noticed the length. The newer winglets weren’t made yet back when I used to work on the ramp. I didn’t know there were new winglets until I started seeing E75S and E75L pop up at work on flight plans.
Yep, i didnt know about the story behind the E175 winglet til recently even though i've flown on them countless time before. lol.... They are very distinctive.

If you have an E170-200 and E175, then there would be no difference in length because they are really both E175. There is only difference in length if it's E175 (or E170-200) compared to an E170-100

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I too never knew about the different winglets, thanks for the photo showing the difference.
Regarding using one mould for two fuselage lengths, there was a discussion about this about a year ago.
Seems JC and GJ are using the 190 mould for both the 190 and 195, simplify adding more, but smaller windows to get the right number.
Herpa has a plastic ERJ mould, don't know how they addressed the different lengths.

Here's the link:https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...er-models.html
I have a hogan plastic E190 and a gemini E195. Will have to get the ruler out to measure both and see, but just by visual memory, i thought the hogan E190 was a bit shorter.

As far as the fuselage length for E170 vs E175, I have the united E170 (a true E170-100 rather than E170-200, which is actually E175) I also remember it to be a bit shorter subjectively but i will measure it out....

But yeah, the E 170/5 190/5 definitely has its confusions....lol. it definitely doesnt help also that E175 used be known as E170-200. E170-100 has the shortest fuselage. E175 (or E170-200) has the same fuselage slightly stretched from the E170-100

I looked up the reg number for both of the gemini above and they are correctly corresponding to what the real aircraft types are.

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Both are E175's.
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Both are E175's.
Yeap exactly.. The vertical winglet one is becoming a more rare breed
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As far as the fuselage length for E170 vs E175, I have the united E170 (a true E170-100 rather than E170-200, which is actually E175) I also remember it to be a bit shorter subjectively but i will measure it out....
Well in 1:200 scale the difference works out to approximately 0.35 inches or not quite 9mm - I can't say as I blame the model manufacturers for using the same mould for both, if that is what they have in fact done.
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Well in 1:200 scale the difference works out to approximately 0.35 inches or not quite 9mm - I can't say as I blame the model manufacturers for using the same mould for both, if that is what they have in fact done.
That is a measurable difference.....lol..
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That is a measurable difference.....lol..
Yes it's measurable, but I seriously doubt you'd notice without getting out the ruler. My point still stands that the manufacturers probably made a sensible economic choice to portray both with one mould. I have not measured mine to see if, in fact, that is the case though.
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So i have done a comparison of fuselage length of both of these AA which are both supposed to be E175 or same length of 31.67m in 1:1. I actually looked up the reg number to confirm that they are indeed both supposed to be E175 with the only difference being the wingtips. However when you stand both of them up, the AA E175 with the longer angled wingtips measure about 1cm longer than the other AA model with the straight wingtip. This AA straight wingtip model is the same length as a united E170, but gemini painted 20 windows on the left side to "cheat" it

Kinda sucks!!!
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So i have done a comparison of fuselage length of both of these AA which are both supposed to be E175 or same length of 31.67m in 1:1. I actually looked up the reg number to confirm that they are indeed both supposed to be E175 with the only difference being the wingtips. However when you stand both of them up, the AA E175 with the longer angled wingtips measure about 1cm longer than the other AA model with the straight wingtip. This AA straight wingtip model is the same length as a united E170, but gemini painted 20 windows on the left side to "cheat" it
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In August 2014 I purchased the E-170-100 (E170) from JC Wings in FDA colors. The size came out correct compared to a scale 1:1. In February 2015 I bought the E-170-200 (E175) from American Eagle's Gemini (N401YX).
I immediately saw that the models were the same size: the E175 It should have been bigger: as on the 1:1 scale the E170-100 (E170) measures 29.90 m (98 ft 1 in) and the E170-200 (E175) measures 31 .68 m (103 ft 11 in).
When I posted this here on DA.C I was very criticized for not "accepting" a difference of "just less than 1 cm", which I should, as a collector, not be so discerning and accept it normally, which I should take into account and even "thank you" to Gemini for releasing an E175!!!
Why not a correct mold? Indeed, I consider it cheating to paint windows closer together in an incorrectly sized mold (and not to warn collectors about this).
The E190-100 and E190-200 (E190 and E195, respectively), JC Wings Mandarim and Herpa Azul that I bought, came in the correct scale.
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yep I don't know why people think that the wrong fuselage length of gemini N401YX is too subtle to be discounted, because it is not. you don't even need a ruler to measure it to see it is the wrong length next to another E175 long wingtip ver.

Same thing with the gemini jc wings a330-900neo. I can't believe why people saying the wrong wingtip is too subtle to care, because it is NOT subtle at all... lol
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These are in 1/500 scale. One is E170 and the other is E175 short wing ver. Can you tell which is which?
Exactly! even at 1/500 you can tell which is which even though the different length at 1/500 is not even 5mm! Herpa doesn't cheat out the collectors in this case even at 1/500!

Btw, this 1/500 E175 is one of the rarer more expensive one in my 1/500 collection. Herpa never made another more recent E175 with the new style winglets ;(
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move on folks nothing here...just keep moving...its no big deal...the topic author is really upset that these models dont have removable gears and is just venting..keep it moving folks....that is his number one criteria for his collecting, removable gears....

based on the responses I dont see this as being a big deal.....Someone this picky falls into my "I bet they are a 5-10% tipper at a restaraunt too...
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I am a stickler for both removable gears as well as correct fuselage length and wingtips ....lol..
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move on folks nothing here...just keep moving...its no big deal...the topic author is really upset that these models dont have removable gears and is just venting..keep it moving folks....that is his number one criteria for his collecting, removable gears....

based on the responses I dont see this as being a big deal.....Someone this picky falls into my "I bet they are a 5-10% tipper at a restaraunt too...
Sorry CV, I don't consider myself to be a rivet counter, and I rarely complain, but I'm going to have to disagree with you this time. Using the ERJ190/195 example it is obvious to me that two more windows were squeezed in there. I understand why it was done, creating two separate moulds would have been prohibitively expensive. As a result I will limit myself to the ERJ190 only.
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Sorry CV, I don't consider myself to be a rivet counter, and I rarely complain, but I'm going to have to disagree with you this time. Using the ERJ190/195 example it is obvious to me that two more windows were squeezed in there. I understand why it was done, creating two separate moulds would have been prohibitively expensive. As a result I will limit myself to the ERJ190 only.
Are you saying gemini also doing the same crap with their E190 and E195?? ****. Now i will have to get my box out and check! I do have a gemini E195 and a hogan E190

As far as E170 and E175 goes, now that gemini has both of the correct fuselage length, they should do a rerun of the N401YX or of another E175 short wing. There are still a few of those around in real life.It doesnt take much work because you just need to swap the shorter wings onto the longer fuselage. There is really no new components here. I would definitely buy another E175 in the short wing ver!
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Sorry CV, I don't consider myself to be a rivet counter, and I rarely complain, but I'm going to have to disagree with you this time. Using the ERJ190/195 example it is obvious to me that two more windows were squeezed in there. I understand why it was done, creating two separate moulds would have been prohibitively expensive. As a result I will limit myself to the ERJ190 only.
So i took out my Hogan E190 and Gemini E195 and place them next to each other. Good news about the fuselage length. Both are correct!

However the gemini maybe a little overload and sit a little too close to the ground as VC said? lol...

Well at least the fuselage length is correct.. Maybe you should consider getting a gemini E195?
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Tanks for the excellent photos wildpig.
Your picture definitely shows the difference in length quite clearly, mind you they are different brands.
I'd love to see a comparison picture of the E190 and E195 as above with JC/Gemini.
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Tanks for the excellent photos wildpig.
Your picture definitely shows the difference in length quite clearly, mind you they are different brands.
I'd love to see a comparison picture of the E190 and E195 as above with JC/Gemini.
I don't have a jcwings/gemini E190. Maybe i will find one now but at least for your purpose you were worrying about not getting the E195 due to not right length but at least this particular gemini E195 i have is the right length. So you should buy an E195 that is made no earlier than this one that i have to be sure that you are getting that mould.

edit: gemini seems to only makes one E195 so far...lol: https://database.diecastmodelaircraf...&scale=1%3A200
jcwings also just released recently a very nice bamboo E195 recently. I think if you get those two, you likely to have the right length. Herpa also released a few E195 and i definitely trust herpa. I would stay away from older E195 by jcwings? See here: https://database.diecastmodelaircraf...&scale=1%3A200

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Thanks for all of the info Wildpig. I think this thread may have wander off track a bit, hope this info can help others as well.
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Tanks for the excellent photos wildpig.
Your picture definitely shows the difference in length quite clearly, mind you they are different brands.
I'd love to see a comparison picture of the E190 and E195 as above with JC/Gemini.
I just got a hold of the latest gemini E190. Its the same exact length as the hogan E190. So they did get this latest E190 right.

So if you get the latest gemini/jcwings E190 and E195, you can be confident that the lengths are correct!

Now if only gemini can do a rerelease of N401YX!
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Well that's good news!
Thank you for your observations.
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E170 (G2UAL352) vs E175 (G2UAL716) . The E170 is definitely shorter in this picture. Both of these have correct scale length
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Gemini had finally released a correct E175 short wing!!

Air Canada E175 : https://database.diecastmodelaircraft.com/model/80515

It has the correct length and wings!!

Now if they could just do a rerelease of N401YX!!
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This was good news.
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