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Old 05-09-2021, 12:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey all,

a PM conversation with a fellow DACer reminded me that I had not taken pictures of my A350s. Maybe I was still in mourning that the beloved 747 is finally gone, to be replaced by these, or maybe I was just lazy. In any case - for anyone on the fence about whether to get the Gemini or ARD version - here are a couple of shots to help you pick.

Main differences are that the ARD has moulded SatCom, while the Gemini has printed. The ARD has the painted flag winglets, whereas the Gemini was released before the real livery was finalized, and the ARD has a little more detailed printing on the engine.

So... here we go.

Nose to nose, tail to tail and then engines.

Nose compare - G-XWBD [ARD] left G-XWBA [Gemini] right by John A, on Flickr
Side nose compare - G-XWBD [ARD] left G-XWBA [Gemini] right by John A, on Flickr
Tail and SatCom compare - G-XWBD [ARD] left G-XWBA [Gemini] right by John A, on Flickr
Engine on G-XWBA British Airways A350-1000 [Gemini] by John A, on Flickr
Engine on G-XWBD British Airways A350-1000 [ARD] by John A, on Flickr

Then a couple of what I think is the best angle for the A350, showing the curve of the winglet

G-XWBA British Airways A350-1000 [Gemini] left rear by John A, on Flickr
G-XWBD British Airways A350-1000 [ARD] left rear by John A, on Flickr

And finally - my 3 together (XWBD and XWBD from ARD, XWBA Gemini)

3x British Airways A350-1000 models by John A, on Flickr
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I hear you about the loss of the 747s, without them, Heathrow just seems so... different. BA always had such a large fleet of them, and it’s strange only seeing 777s, 787s, and the handful of 350s on the tarmac. The 747 was a head-turner, not quite as much as the Concorde, and then the last couple of years the retro BOAC and Landor 747s even had co-workers of mine who never talk about planes taking pictures of them with their phones.

I normally go for Gemini when I have a choice of the same aircraft and airline made by different manufacturers, but I’d say the ARD wins my favor (or should I write favour, since we are talking BA!) this time for the winglets with the Union Flag.
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Don't forget the correct window arrangement on ARD as well...
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Don't forget the correct window arrangement on ARD as well...
Wow, I had not noticed that. Well spotted.
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What is noticeable at first sight:

- IF/ARD windows placed higher than on GJ.
- “Speedbird” logo and “British Airways” titles in IF/ARD decisively larger than on GJ.
- Plugged cabin windows on IF/ARD done correctly, on GJ not.
- Blue belly paint on IF/ARD remarkably less high than on GJ.
- Registration at rear fuselage placed correctly on IF/ARD (well under door level)
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Great photos! Is there a difference between the Inflight (non-ARD) and ARD models? Or is it just different registration numbers?
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Nice comparison, thanks John! I have the Herpa version myself, ok it’s plastic rather than diecast, but it’s a really good looking and well made model in my opinion. Apologies for the grainy photos, it’s getting dark.
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What is noticeable at first sight:

- IF/ARD windows placed higher than on GJ.
- “Speedbird” logo and “British Airways” titles in IF/ARD decisively larger than on GJ.
- Plugged cabin windows on IF/ARD done correctly, on GJ not.
- Blue belly paint on IF/ARD remarkably less high than on GJ.
- Registration at rear fuselage placed correctly on IF/ARD (well under door level)
I think all of those inaccuracies are due to the model being released before the actual aircraft was delivered, and BA gave Gemini the go-ahead anyway. So Gemini just went with the specs they had at the time.
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Nice comparison, thanks John! I have the Herpa version myself, ok it’s plastic rather than diecast, but it’s a really good looking and well made model in my opinion. Apologies for the grainy photos, it’s getting dark.
I can't believe how apologetic we have become on DAC because a model is plastic. There were days when plastic ruled here. However, honestly after getting into diecast now with 5 widebodies it's clear diecast demands attention.😉
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I think all of those inaccuracies are due to the model being released before the actual aircraft was delivered, and BA gave Gemini the go-ahead anyway. So Gemini just went with the specs they had at the time.
May be that. Or may be even BA did not have the final specifications ready. Who knows? Anyway, good reason not to buy any model before the actual aircraft is delivered (or definite design is finalized).
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I think all of those inaccuracies are due to the model being released before the actual aircraft was delivered, and BA gave Gemini the go-ahead anyway. So Gemini just went with the specs they had at the time.
this is correct sir..
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The Herpa version of this model is quite impressive...
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this is correct sir..
Then: congrats to Inflight/ARD for not being the first to deliver a 1/200 BA A350 but the one brand that delivers the better BA A350.

And, yes, the new Herpa mould looks promising! Those antennae are supplementing the 1/200 line tremendously, and the overall finish looks great.
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Then: congrats to Inflight/ARD for not being the first to deliver a 1/200 BA A350 but the one brand that delivers the better BA A350.
And congrats to you too for posting garbage,,,,spoken like a true expert. Put some thought FIRST into what your saying...The Gemini version was introduced over a year before the Inflight version and was based on the artwork supplied by BA at the time and PRIOR TO ROLLOUT FROM TOULOUSE . BA wanted the model on hand for a corporate order. Funny they went to Gemini first..

In all actuality this thread is unrealistic because clearly the Inflight version was released long after the plane was in service with BA and yes does have more detail..

Had Gemini not done this model timed to its introduction in real life, I can assure everyone here that YOU would have been one of the first critics yelling, screaming, kicking, crying and criticizing the model companies for a lack of a BA A350 model ...
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And congrats to you too for posting garbage,,,,spoken like a true expert. Put some thought FIRST into what your saying...The Gemini version was introduced over a year before the Inflight version and was based on the artwork supplied by BA at the time and PRIOR TO ROLLOUT FROM TOULOUSE . BA wanted the model on hand for a corporate order. Funny they went to Gemini first..
All fine - and confirming just what I said. IF/ARD’s final product replicates the real thing better. Not GJ’s fault they accepted that contract - but, still, the GJ product deviates from the actual aircraft. I don’t get what raises your temper... shouldn’t be any problem to stand by this fact.

And, I for one cannot only live without a model of an all new aircraft that isn’t still existing. I don’t buy such premature products for the well-known reasons at all.
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...The Gemini version was introduced over a year before the Inflight version and was based on the artwork supplied by BA at the time and PRIOR TO ROLLOUT FROM TOULOUSE . BA wanted the model on hand for a corporate order.

In all actuality this thread is unrealistic because clearly the Inflight version was released long after the plane was in service with BA and yes does have more detail...
Why does this make the thread unrealistic? I clearly stated in the opening post “whereas the Gemini was released before the real livery was finalized”

The models are real, both in the market, and the pictures help people understand the differences. I bought both. The Gemini because it was the first available, and the other(s) because I like to collect as many examples as I can. I will be keeping both.

Criticism of a manufacturer because they “got it wrong” when the real thing did not exist may not be right, but that is not what I did. I simply posted pictures of models that I own. What’s not realistic about that?
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Why does this make the thread unrealistic? I clearly stated in the opening post “whereas the Gemini was released before the real livery was finalized”

The models are real, both in the market, and the pictures help people understand the differences. I bought both. The Gemini because it was the first available, and the other(s) because I like to collect as many examples as I can. I will be keeping both.

Criticism of a manufacturer because they “got it wrong” when the real thing did not exist may not be right, but that is not what I did. I simply posted pictures of models that I own. What’s not realistic about that?
I apologize for using the wrong words and I should and do retract my statement. You are absolutely correct...however most people skip over the facts that one was introduced way ahead of the other thus the result that the Inflight does have better details which I also pointed out.

My response was directed towards the other members comment congratulating Inflight for waiting and offering the better product, given the circumstances involved it makes no sense.
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I apologize for using the wrong words and I should and do retract my statement. You are absolutely correct...however most people skip over the facts that one was introduced way ahead of the other thus the result that the Inflight does have better details which I also pointed out.

My response was directed towards the other members comment congratulating Inflight for waiting and offering the better product, given the circumstances involved it makes no sense.
Being one of the addressees of your second paragraph, I think one can definitely say “Model A is not representing the actual aircraft due to the fact that it was made prior to the real thing’s existence”, and therefore “Model B which came out after the design was finalized wins in terms of accuracy”. GJ had its benefit (and sales, and may be applause) for delivering the first 1/200 die-cast metal scale model of the original aircraft, but if you are looking for a better representation of it you should opt for the IF/ARD version. Searching for and criticizing isolated phrases now such as “Congrats to IF/ARD for waiting” is... well... kind of nitpicking.
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I can't tell for sure by the pics, but do the Gemini -1000 have the outboard engine strakes? My JCW -1000 in House Colors doesn't have them.
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Thank you for sharing these comparison pictures!
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Absolutely enjoyed the pics on my Dell 34" monitor. Now if all comparison photos were done this way
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I have both and one will have to go. At first i thought the ARD was better, and it is in some ways, but the Gemini has the better height of blue on the lower fuselage, better colours(imo), and better nose (imo). Not sure which to let go now



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