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Old 05-07-2021, 03:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I received a gemini 747-400 with one of the wings not seated fully flush with the body, so there is a slight gap. But it is fully glued/secure and does not appear to move. Does anyone know how difficult it would be to disassemble the wing and re-glue it? It is glued pretty tight right now to the fuselage. I will post an update with photos of the patient once I get home, but wondering if anyone has had this issue and resolved it?
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Old 05-07-2021, 03:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You can always remove it, but you run the risk of pulling paint outside of the wing root footprint that will be noticeable when reattaching the wing. If you do try to remove it, I suggest taping off with painter's tape around the outer portion to try to reduce paint pulling. Also once the wing is out, look for what is obstructing the proper seating (glue, casting imperfections, etc.) of the wing in the socket. Look at both the wing surface and the socket. Dremel tool or careful work with various tools (screwdriver, needle nose plies, utility knife, etc.) Always dry fit before reattaching wing (or any part).

Good luck if you decide to do it!
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Old 05-07-2021, 03:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I would first contact the seller and articulate the probelm
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Old 05-07-2021, 04:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Here's the patient. First two are of the decent side, where the wing appears to be pretty flush. Last two is of the problematic side. Again, it is slight, but bothering me enough that I'm willing to entertain fixing it.









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You can always remove it, but you run the risk of pulling paint outside of the wing root footprint that will be noticeable when reattaching the wing.
What would be the recommended solvent to use to dissolve the glue inside the wing seat so that I can remove the wing? And whatever it is, would it affect the paint?

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I would first contact the seller and articulate the probelm
I have considered reaching out to the seller, but the issue is slight enough that I'm trying to gauge whether it is easier to just correct myself.

EDIT: smaller images as they were huge

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Old 05-07-2021, 09:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
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This one is going to be tough. You should definitely reach out to the seller before going through with this. I've tried to work on a few of my models and sometimes it ends up being worse than before trying to make the fix. If the seller is not willing to take a return, then you should decide if you want to try fixing it.
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Old 05-08-2021, 07:21 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I would do everything in my power to get another copy from your seller.
If that does not work, I would not try to repair it myself, but set up the plane in such a way that you make the problem invisible.
Of course, you have to be able to live with the latter...
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Old 05-08-2021, 08:26 AM   #7 (permalink)
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The advice get another one from the seller is highly unlikely as this model has been long sold out by the dealers. Most likely a private sale..

This is the first Ive seen or heard of this happening on that model. I wonder if it was mishandled or the ever ongoing lack of glue?

Are you absolutely sure you cant wiggle it out?? its far enough away from the fuselage that I don't think there is a risk of paint chip damage.
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But before you do so, warm the parts where the wing is fixed up with a hair dryer!!!

I have very good experience with this trick and even the metal becomes very hot the paint won’t be damaged or even better it won’t crack as it is getting smooth and flexible.
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Old 05-08-2021, 11:37 AM   #9 (permalink)
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...Crownvic is most likely right in not finding another. Also use hair dryer like Stillair suggested. You can also use hot tap water (but not hairdryer and water at same time unless you like getting shocked/tripping breakers/GFI).
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I agree with those who suggested hot air or hot water. I've used steam before on a 1:400 scale 747 but must be careful not to get the model too close.
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Old 05-08-2021, 04:18 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I think Diecast Airplane and Buchair still have this model. From the pictures, it doesn’t look too bad to me, but maybe in person it looks worse. If it was me, I would just leave well enough alone. But it’s your model and you want to be happy with it, so only you can decide what to do with it.

I love the Gemini 200 747 mould, it’s perfect. I had only one in my collection, the BOAC 747-100 in the delivery scheme, and I sold it because I’m moving, then deeply regretted selling it. I love the navy blue and gold livery, and the lines of the 747, so finally found another one. That’s the first time I ever re-bought a model! Good luck with the repair!
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... I've acquired the same type of model over and over because I try to help other collectors when they really have to have a model and I have it.

So congratulation on your repurchase! Hopefully it is the first of many to come! Never understood the whole "i'm moving so I sold a plane/planes" thing!

Anyway OP...probably if it really bothers you I would buy another and sell this one stating the flaw...that's what I've done in the past, but if I could not find an acceptable replacement, I would fix em.

Please keep us updated.
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... I've acquired the same type of model over and over because I try to help other collectors when they really have to have a model and I have it.

So congratulation on your repurchase! Hopefully it is the first of many to come! Never understood the whole "i'm moving so I sold a plane/planes" thing!

Anyway OP...probably if it really bothers you I would buy another and sell this one stating the flaw...that's what I've done in the past, but if I could not find an acceptable replacement, I would fix em.

Please keep us updated.
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There ya go...unload stuff, make a little money back, and put it towards something else. I had the first release Inflight 200 BOAC 747, sold it, and bought the second release when I started missing the first one. I contemplated buying the G200 version as the mould is nicer, but I like the finish on the Inflight200 better. I put them in cabinets and don't sit and stare and pick em apart like some do. To each their own though!

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The advice get another one from the seller is highly unlikely as this model has been long sold out by the dealers. Most likely a private sale..

This is the first Ive seen or heard of this happening on that model. I wonder if it was mishandled or the ever ongoing lack of glue?

Are you absolutely sure you cant wiggle it out?? its far enough away from the fuselage that I don't think there is a risk of paint chip damage.
This seller is no longer showing the model in stock, so perhaps I got the last one from that stock, which means it will be difficult to replace. I've tried pulling the wing out with as much strength as I was comfortable with, given that there are engines/pylons and other details that I don't want to hurt in the process. So it feels like it is glued, but can't be 100% sure.

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But before you do so, warm the parts where the wing is fixed up with a hair dryer!!!

I have very good experience with this trick and even the metal becomes very hot the paint won’t be damaged or even better it won’t crack as it is getting smooth and flexible.
Interesting idea - didn't think about this. I'm a little hesitant to try this though as I don't want any of the finish to be affected. Perhaps low heat would at least make the glue malleable and the wing more loose...but I'm not sure I want to risk it (yet! )

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I would do everything in my power to get another copy from your seller.
If that does not work, I would not try to repair it myself, but set up the plane in such a way that you make the problem invisible.
Of course, you have to be able to live with the latter...
I reached out to the seller but I honestly am not sure how much he can do. If another model was available from another seller, I may consider purchasing, and using this first one as a guinea pig to experiment on. If I'm successful, then could at least resell this first one with disclaimer.

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Anyway OP...probably if it really bothers you I would buy another and sell this one stating the flaw...that's what I've done in the past, but if I could not find an acceptable replacement, I would fix em.

Please keep us updated.
Thanks. If I do risk the modifications, and attempt to reseat it myself, I'll definitely keep you all posted here!

Really appreciate all the input!
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