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Old 05-03-2021, 06:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Received my new model recently but noticed that the engines are B757 engines. I've checked them against B757 models and another B767 model and they are definitely the wrong engines on the model.
I've contacted the manufacturer via the retailer but they are refusing to acknowledge there is an issue.
Does anyone have any idea where I could source the right engines to replace them?
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Old 05-03-2021, 06:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Received my new model recently but noticed that the engines are B757 engines. I've checked them against B757 models and another B767 model and they are definitely the wrong engines on the model.
I've contacted the manufacturer via the retailer but they are refusing to acknowledge there is an issue.
Does anyone have any idea where I could source the right engines to replace them?


Hi there. Welcome to the forum...

Both BA 757-236 & 767-336ER had the Rolls Royce RB211 engine. The 767 had the RB211-524H and the 757, the less powerful RB211-535. Early 757s
had the 535C with original nacelle but the later improved E/E4s had the extended nacelles that looked more like those on their 767s.

On checking the dimensions of the actual engine variant, lengths were 4.759m vs 5.03m and fan width, 2.19m vs 1.88m. The 757 engine being
slightly longer and having a smaller fan. Bearing in mind we are talking 1/200 that is 0.1cm and 0.15cm so hardly noticeable.

Which 767 have you compared the ARD to as the only other model of a 767 with this engine is the JC Wings BA one.

A BA 767-300 was only recently released as no one seemed willing to do the different engines for it.

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Hi Argosy

I sadly did measure the engines as it just didnt look right. I compared it with the JC Wings model and it is noticeably different. I also compared it with the Gemini 757 model and took some comparison pictures and the diameter is the same.
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Hi Jim

Interesting. They looked OK in model pics. Here are the 2 IF200/ARDs & the JC Wings. The 757/767 engine nacelles looked of a similar design & as the engine was only marginally different in size, I couldn't see the difference.

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I do have the pictures and it shows a very noticeable difference with the JC wings model. (it wont let me upload them for some reason). the most noticeable difference is when you see them front on
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Thanks for trying Jim.

I use the attach photos instead of insert image. Always had trouble trying it that way, don't know why?

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It keeps telling me I have an invalid file extension.
The one with the 757 shows almost identical engine diameter
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As I mentioned the actual engine fan width is 767 2.19m vs 757 1.88m.

At 1/200 that is 1.095cm and 0.94cm so a 0.155cm difference.

Sounds like IF200/ARD have used the same engine tooling for both 757 & 767. Makers often make compromises to save costs and IF200
developed these models together. Would be interesting to see the JC Wings 757 compared with their 767.

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The JCW (union flag) engines were definitely slightly larger than the ones on the Hogan RR Qantas model, and from the Braz engines used to convert the Hasegawa kit. All seen here (L->R) Hogan repaint, Hasegawa, JCW

G-BNWA (Hogan repaint) Union Flag, G-BNWE (custom build) Chelsea Rose, G-BZHA (JCW) Union Flag Crest British Airways 767-300 by John A, on Flickr

I did not do a close check of the Landor against the JCW but will measure them this weekend when I am at the place where they live.

G-BNWV British Airways (Landor) 767-300 with G-BZHA Wings (Denmark) by John A, on Flickr
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It probably is something like that. It's just very noticeable when you put the JC Wings model next to the ARD model. I've had to put them in different cabinets and keep the 757's away from the ARD model as it just looks very odd when they're together
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Hi ukjohna
The pictures are fantastic, the collections looks great.
I used to be cabin crew on the 767 back in the Landor days on the regional routes to the USA. Thats why i was so keen to get my hands on one of these when it came out. I know it sounds ridiculous to be hung up on such a small detail but it really does diminish the impact of the model, especially when I know the aircraft so well
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I used to be cabin crew on the 767 back in the Landor days on the regional routes to the USA. Thats why i was so keen to get my hands on one of these when it came out. I know it sounds ridiculous to be hung up on such a small detail but it really does diminish the impact of the model, especially when I know the aircraft so well
Appreciate when a model is of an a/c that you've been close to

Compromises are common in the diecast model world. It just depends on the individual if it is acceptable or not.

For example, I won't be getting a Herpa FH-227 as they use their F.27-500 tooling. But for others it looks OK.

The model I dislike the most is the Phoenix Carvair, so wrong in so many ways!

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