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Old 03-11-2021, 11:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Curious... would you return this model? Small pin prick-sized nick on a white fuselage. (above the"A" at the end of Canada)

I've spent over a week listing models on eBay, scrutinizing the finish of the models and documenting the defects. Then I receive a model and I continue to scrutinize... am I too picky?

What are your standards when it comes to finish?

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I think you’re too picky. Only those who are good observers are going to see that tiny speck.
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Oh I absolutely am picky! Just curious where I stand in the crowd.... alone or in company? so far, alone ... I appreciate the honesty
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Forget about that small pin prick sized nick! The Font is not Correct on any of the A's. They should be rounded at the top.
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That speck wouldn't bother me at all. Once it's on a shelf it'll never be seen.
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Forget about that small pin prick sized nick! The Font is not Correct on any of the A's. They should be rounded at the top.
I never even caught that! Now I’m getting obsessive damn!

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The only time I have exchanged a model for a new one because of damage was because of the "paint fingerprint" on my Aer Lingus 747-100 that bothered me a bit too much. But for the small irregularities like on the model of the topic starter, I would not go to this trouble.

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Jamtide, I can really understand you well.

Once you've discovered a flaw, you always have to look. You have been in this forum for almost 20 years. Therefore I also assume that you have been collecting models for a long time. I would have expected more "callousness" from you.

Annoying about your model is the fact that the fault is on the clearly visible top. In addition, there is the strong contrast due to the white color. Unfortunately, there are no perfect models.

You have three options.
- Learn to live with minor flaws.
- Only buy models that you have been able to inspect carefully beforehand. (You'll miss some models.)
- Find another hobby.

I've gotten used to a mix of all three. Yes, I no longer have to have every model that I think is great. It took a while, but it may also be a question of age.
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I never even caught that! Now I’m getting obsessive damn!
I do know what you mean. Personally I’d live with it. However, many years ago I had a similar decision to make with an Inflight 1/200 747SP. I put a tiny (and I mean tiny) amount of acrylic white paint on the very tip of a dressmaker pin, then I just touched the chip with. It worked a treat, with the minuscule amount of paint neatly filling the chip. Sadly, I no longer have the courage or a steady enough hand to do it again.

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The only time I have exchanged a model for a new one because of damage was because of the "paint fingerprint" on my Aer Lingus 747-100 that bothered me a bit too much. But for the small irregularities like on the model of the topic starter, I would not go to this trouble.

Oh damn were you able to return it? that is pretty annoying to discover, the seller should of stated it had that issue imo.

Sellers really need to be more detailed and precise t what they are actually selling, what the topic starter posted that isn't something I'd actually worry about but you Aer Lingus B747-148 yea that is a whole different story.

if it's top player you might be able to remove it, dunno if there are ways for that though, tricky
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Oh damn were you able to return it?

One email to AviationMegaStore with an explanation and this photo was enough to receive a return receipt from them. I myself suggested to them to leave the new Aer Lingus in 'hold and store' and have it come with my next order. I buy more often airplane models from them than a loaf of bread at the bakery. That all went smoothly and the new model I finally received is one of the most perfect jumbos in my collection.
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One email to AviationMegaStore with an explanation and this photo was enough to receive a return receipt from them. I myself suggested to them to leave the new Aer Lingus in 'hold and store' and have it come with my next order. I buy more often airplane models from them than a loaf of bread at the bakery. That all went smoothly and the new model I finally received is one of the most perfect jumbos in my collection.
Oke well that is nice man

And yea Aviation Mega Store in Dutch known as Luchtvaart Hobby Shop always had great service when it came to RMA's or Return To Sender situations Well done tho and grats with your Aer Lingus B747-148 replacement, I'm glad it all worked out for you, it always does me good to see an aircraft model collector getting the service they deserve
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Funny. A new day. That little speck is a little less something compared to the wrong font that was so clearly noted by Canamwings . The combination of the two has resulted in me packaging up this model for return.

It amazes me how we can get fixated one thing and lose sight of other blaring things. As stated earlier, there are no perfect models. It’s funny how we demand our models to be more perfect in finish then the real thing!

Fingerprints in paint. That is just carelessness and should never be accepted.

Thanks for all the insights. I will continue to be picky and happy. Collecting only selectively and happily returning when necessary.

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Funny. A new day. That little speck is a little less something compared to the wrong font that was so clearly noted by Canamwings . The combination of the two has resulted in me packaging up this model for return.

It amazes me how we can get fixated one thing and lose sight of other blaring things. As stated earlier, there are no perfect models. It’s funny how we demand our models to be more perfect in finish then the real thing!

Fingerprints in paint. That is just carelessness and should never be accepted.

Thanks for all the insights. I will continue to be picky and happy. Collecting only selectively and happily returning when necessary.

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Easy: it’s a damage - you’re not picky, you’re just asking for a product in an acceptable condition you paid for. If some other can live with such a paint chip - good for them, and good for the manufacturer which delivered the faulty product. If you cannot live with it - make it a pleasant hobby for you and have it replaced.
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That's a pretty conspicuous dark pin prick on a white fuselage. It would jump out at me every time. I would consider returning it.
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I just got an NG Iran 74L with a tiny dent in it (a bit bigger than yours), I thought about returning it, and realised that I'd really struggle to find a replacement.
Not really worth the hassle for me personally.
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A hobby shop paint .. a very fine brush and it will cover the pin prick hole in a jiffy
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A hobby shop paint .. a very fine brush and it will cover the pin prick hole in a jiffy
Maybe yes. But maybe you pick the wrong color tone and then you’re doomed. Is it worth the risk and trouble?
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why would i do that. The paint is washable acrylic and i think i can get the right tone since i can differentiate colors. Not a big deal. being washable helps
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why would i do that. The paint is washable acrylic and i think i can get the right tone since i can differentiate colors. Not a big deal. being washable helps
Sure you can but the one white is different to the other - and a finished model, particular if clear coated, can be hard to match. That’s what I mean. And once you’re hurt by looking at your model and a paint chip (or a former paint chip that couldn’t be repaired 100%), it will catch your eye each time you’re passing by and it will disturb you.
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Sure you can but the one white is different to the other - and a finished model, particular if clear coated, can be hard to match. That’s what I mean.
Exactly! And have you ever tried to dab a nick on your car finish with the specified paint? Not in million years will it look right, not because of the color necessarily but because of the raised texture. It will always be noticeable—and sometimes it will look worse—unless you take it to a special detailer who can buff it, polish it, clear coat it and polish it again! And the scale of this model is such that an attempt at "dabbing" could only magnify the flaw.

Like you so wisely noted, it's just not worth the risk or trouble. The money you paid I'm sure was not for a model with such a flaw. Let's say you tried to sell it at later time, you would have to divulge the flaw and I'm sure your compensation would be less for it. Why should you get "dinged" when the person you purchased from neglected to expose the issue?

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If a hole the size of pinprick throws someone off, and it causes them to focus on it every time as others have stated, then it is time to exit this hobby and find another one. Sorry to be so blunt but that is nuts...fingerprint is a different story....
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your are correct crownvic.
pinprick against a black ground is hard to see but you see it because it is black against a white back ground. moment a white color is applied right to cover the pnprick, it will be extremely hard to notice may not be even possible. if you have to cover an inch or a large area , then that becomes an issue with clear coat and other stuff. not in this case.
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If a hole the size of pinprick throws someone off, and it causes them to focus on it every time as others have stated, then it is time to exit this hobby and find another one. Sorry to be so blunt but that is nuts...fingerprint is a different story....
I can see that I will not be calling on you for any model work, or to detail my car! For somebody to declare that someone's thinking is "nuts" and "it is time [for him] to exit this hobby and find another one," is not only rude and arrogant but plain wrong. You need to understand that people have different standards and opinions! And you know what they say about opinions, what they are like and who has one. Yours is not more qualified—or sane—or stink any less. Sorry to be so blunt.
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your are correct crownvic.
pinprick against a black ground is hard to see but you see it because it is black against a white back ground. moment a white color is applied right to cover the pnprick, it will be extremely hard to notice may not be even possible. if you have to cover an inch or a large area , then that becomes an issue with clear coat and other stuff. not in this case.
I agree. The introduction of acrylics into this hobby has been a blessing. It makes mixing colours so much easier and with less (smelly) clean-up. All it takes is knowledge of colours and tints. For me, I like the challenge of matching colours. You'd never know I painted the nose gear doors on this old Risesoon model. (I had to paint the main gear doors to match, too.)

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I can see that I will not be calling on you for any model work, or to detail my car! For somebody to declare that someone's thinking is "nuts" and "it is time [for him] to exit this hobby and find another one," is not only rude and arrogant but plain wrong. You need to understand that people have different standards and opinions! And you know what they say about opinions, what they are like and who has one. Yours is not more qualified—or sane—or stink any less. Sorry to be so blunt.
Hahaha ! Well said! I guess I went from nuts to insane .... the model is being returned .
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I can see that I will not be calling on you for any model work, or to detail my car! For somebody to declare that someone's thinking is "nuts" and "it is time [for him] to exit this hobby and find another one," is not only rude and arrogant but plain wrong. You need to understand that people have different standards and opinions! And you know what they say about opinions, what they are like and who has one. Yours is not more qualified—or sane—or stink any less. Sorry to be so blunt.
Ill repeat myself again, if a pinhole sized damage ruins someones day (other then being onboard a pressurized space station) its time to leave the hobby, and that's me being nice and not arrogant. By the way, this is coming from someone who never complains and returns food at a restaurant even when the order is wrong too..You must be a real joy for anyone who sells or provides a service to you..a nightmare....
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Hahaha ! Well said! I guess I went from nuts to insane .... the model is being returned .
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Agreed. It’s like when you buy a car and the airbag accidentally deploys. Do you return the car? Hell no!
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I see. Well, then, without repeating yourself, if you are an eBay seller please just let us know your user name so we can avoid buying from you. That way, everybody stays happy, no one is disappointed or surprised, no one is called “nuts,” and no one opens any claim with EBay.
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I see. Well, then, without repeating yourself, if you are an eBay seller please just let us know your user name so we can avoid buying from you. That way, everybody stays happy, no one is disappointed or surprised, no one is called “nuts,” and no one opens any claim with EBay.
my ebay user name is.. unmarked
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Please provide your buyer name SO EVERY EBAY SELLER CAN BLOCK YOU FROM BUYING.
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Old 03-13-2021, 10:50 PM   #32 (permalink)
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my ebay user name is.. unmarked
member since 2000
perfect feedback score 661

Please provide your buyer name SO EVERY EBAY SELLER CAN BLOCK YOU FROM BUYING.
Meanwhile,
[My eBay] Feedback score: Red star for feedback score from 1,000 to 4,999
Positive Feedback: 100%
Member since: Oct-06-03 in United States
Top-rated seller: One of eBay's most reputable sellers
Consistently delivers outstanding customer service

‘Nuff said.
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Old 03-13-2021, 10:58 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Uhuh... “unmarked.” Right.

[My eBay] Feedback score: Red star for feedback score from 1,000 to 4,999
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‘Nuff said.
were not worried about your selling abilities..were worried about your BUYING habits of being too picky. thats what this topic is about ..So once again what is your ebay user name so I and others can block you from buying..I dont want to sell you anything with a hairline pinhole scratch so you can fuss and return it..thats all.
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Nothing but the best! "I don't know why they call this stuff hamburger helper. It does just fine by itself, huh? I like it better than tuna helper myself, don't you, Clark?"
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Old 03-13-2021, 11:09 PM   #34 (permalink)
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You don’t need to worry about my “buying habits,” you cannot separate seller excellence from buying excellence when it comes from the same person. When they view my feedback and comments, my buyers expect a certain level of professionalism and respect. Not, “THAT’S JUST NUTS! I’m not accepting your return!” I respect sellers as I respect buyers.
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were not worried about your selling abilities..were worried about your BUYING habits of being too picky. thats what this topic is about ..So once again what is your ebay user name so I and others can block you from buying..I dont want to sell you anything with a hairline pinhole scratch so you can fuss and return it..thats all.
I have to agree 1000% with you!! If this Bozo would be so bold enough to give us his Ebay name, I too will block him! I'm sick and tired of picky individuals making this hobby no fun at all any more!!
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I have to agree 1000% with you!! If this Bozo would be so bold enough to give us his Ebay name, I too will block him! I'm sick and tired of picky individuals making this hobby no fun at all any more!!
If you seriously think I would be stupid enough to give you pathologically angry people my reputable eBay user name, you are sicker than I thought.
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If you seriously think I would be stupid enough to give you pathologically angry people my reputable eBay user name, you are sicker than I thought.
I rest my case!
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If you seriously think I would be stupid enough to give you pathologically angry people my reputable eBay user name, you are sicker than I thought.
I just proved my point. you are making a fool of yourself..
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Real tomato ketchup Eddie?
Nothing but the best! "I don't know why they call this stuff hamburger helper. It does just fine by itself, huh? I like it better than tuna helper myself, don't you, Clark?"
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I just proved my point. you are making a fool of yourself..
Yes, I forgot. Carry on. All the best.
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Hahaha ! Well said! I guess I went from nuts to insane .... the model is being returned .
Yup, I would do the same thing.
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Old 03-14-2021, 03:47 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Don't worry, you are not alone. I consider myself an hopeless mad perfectionist. I too would have noticed the small flaw on your model and it would have a little bit bothered me too ...
In addition, digital photography does not help us at all, since by zooming in to infinity, it makes us see even microscopic defects in our models that otherwise we would not be able to see ...

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