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Old 01-04-2021, 10:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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As promised some pics of the Gemini jets BCAL A310.
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Sorry folks, my previous post was on another thread regarding the Gemini Dec releases. Wasn't sure how to incorporate with this thread.
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Pictures are a little dark, but the colors look right!
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Pictures are a little dark, but the colors look right!
Someone on the other thread said the bottom stripe should not be gold - I found it difficult to tell from the 1:1 pictures I was able to find, and I don't have my copy in hand to compare yet. It does seem like the A310's had a darker stripe than other types, for whatever reason.
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Gold colouring looks iffy to me. Should be a golden yellow to match tail logo rather than such a metallic looking 'gold', if that makes sense. a310 in those days was an odd choice for BCal. Loved the test A320 in their colours. Could have gone on to bigger things.

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This must be a English Chinese translation thing. ie Specifiaction is for "gold color" and we got gold metallic.
Has anyone heard of RAL color codes?

Add this BCAL A310 to the list of Corgi BCAL Britannia and JC200 BCAL VC10
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This must be a English Chinese translation thing. ie Specifiaction is for "gold color" and we got gold metallic.
Has anyone heard of RAL color codes?

Add this BCAL A310 to the list of Corgi BCAL Britannia and JC200 BCAL VC10
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Indeed it's "gold metallic"
I just wish BCal would really have done their livery the same way
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Oops, what a painful error. Coca-Cola might use this production run for new Coke cans. ;-) It’s hard to understand and accept that manufacturers (sometimes) do not refer to the original RAL codes - those should be available at any time. Maybe it sometimes takes a research and even help from other sources - but it shouldn’t be a special task.

Happy to be waiting for the Inflight release - again!
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Yep the gold has killed this release for me, I'll wait for the inflight200, hopefully they won't have made the same mistake.
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It's a shame about the metallic gold colour but I am otherwise very happy with my first Gemini A310. I will probably go for the Inflight version at a later date.
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Add this BCAL A310 to the list of Corgi BCAL Britannia and JC200 BCAL VC10 all gold metallic.
Don't forget the JC Wings BCal Commuter/Genair Short 330 & 360.

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Looks like the same gold that was heavily criticised upon release when Gemini released the 1:400 B-Cal BAC-1-11-500 years ago. Lesson NOT learned apparently.
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Hi - my first post here for years. Let me begin by saying I was a BCAL engineers for 15 years and had regular contact with the A310's - I certified them for flight. My collection consists of all the aircraft types I have worked on in my 47 year career.

I have never been so disappointed in a Gemini Jet. The gold is totally wrong. It should be a yellow gold. I have all 5 of the BCAL models that Gemini produced in 1:400, how come they got it right on those and totally screwed up on this 200 scale model? It is all the more surprising when you consider that they produced a 1:400 A310 and got it right!

I did complain to Gemini and received the following reply -

"The gold stripe and emblem look very different in images I've looked at, because of different light conditions the photos were taken in. In some images, the gold is more of a yellow but in others, the colour we used is spot on. Understandably, you've had a close relationship with the livery so I can not argue with your judgement though.

Sorry that you are unsatisfied with the model."

I should have stuck to my original order of the Inflight version.
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Gemini really doing models‘ livery based on „looking at photos“??? I‘m impressed - NOT.
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What a shame as would have been a great aircraft model. I thought there were specific colour/paint codes everyone could just work off? The 747 does look a bit over-yellow though!!!
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What a shame as would have been a great aircraft model. I thought there were specific colour/paint codes everyone could just work off? The 747 does look a bit over-yellow though!!!
It is closer than the A310 gold!

The correct colour in printing ink is Pantone 124

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It is closer than the A310 gold!

The correct colour in printing ink is Pantone 124
... and Pantone 124 is a shade of YELLOW (with a high portion of red, i.e. it is ORANGE). Therefore, it appears quite ridiculous that GJ is continually talking about „gold“ in its statement.
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Gemini really doing models‘ livery based on „looking at photos“??? I‘m impressed - NOT.
Yeah they suck..they should have gone and looked for the real thing that disappeared 40 plus years ago..Im sure if they looked hard enough today they would have found one somewhere...

Even some jerks at the paint shop got the 1:1 one all wrong too..
Oh the humanity...
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I did complain to Gemini and received the following reply -

"The gold stripe and emblem look very different in images I've looked at, because of different light conditions the photos were taken in. In some images, the gold is more of a yellow but in others, the colour we used is spot on. Understandably, you've had a close relationship with the livery so I can not argue with your judgement though.

Sorry that you are unsatisfied with the model."
This is a well worded post as you definitely speak from experience. I also think that Gemini's answer was also appropriate too. Based on the photos they used they felt the color was correct, however based on your correspondence with them the answer they gave was also interesting as they admit the mistake and apologized.

Overall, though the color is off, I dont think its a huge deal breaker for most, but as others have said there are alternative choices!
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Yeah they suck..they should have gone and looked for the real thing that disappeared 40 plus years ago..Im sure if they looked hard enough today they would have found one somewhere...
They won't have to look far. An earlier version will in one of their own 1:400 display cases!

https://www.geminijets.com/pics/GJBCA641.jpg?month=0221
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They won't have to look far. An earlier version will in one of their own 1:400 display cases!

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Overall, though the color is off, I dont think its a huge deal breaker for most, but as others have said there are alternative choices!
I disagree. These models aren't cheap and consequently I expect a fairly accurate reproduction of an airline colour scheme. It is all the more annoying considering that they have produced 5 aircraft in the BCAL livery in the past including an A310 without any major colour errors.

Yes there are alternative choices but unless you can see them side-by-side you can't make an educated choice. Here in the UK unless you travel miles you will not find a retailer that has a comprehensive stock to enable you to compare, assuming they have the alternatives in stock. If you hang back until the alternatives are available to make that comparison and you decide the first one out was better you may find they are no longer available.

I bought Gemini based on my previous experience with their products, I will now a lot more wary.
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At least it isn't metallic gold!
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It is all the more annoying considering that they have produced 5 aircraft in the BCAL livery in the past including an A310 without any major colour errors.
This is the part I fail to understand, and this applies to all manufacturers, not just Gemini. If they get the colour(s) right on one (or more) model(s), why can't they get it right on subsequent releases of the same airline? Don't they use the same specs?

Glad I'm not in the business of model airplane manufacturing.
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This is the part I fail to understand, and this applies to all manufacturers, not just Gemini. If they get the colour(s) right on one (or more) model(s), why can't they get it right on subsequent releases of the same airline? Don't they use the same specs?

Glad I'm not in the business of model airplane manufacturing.
Good point. Another “problem” that is hard to understand. And it’s rather leading to another question: do they use specs anyway?


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Yeah they suck..they should have gone and looked for the real thing that disappeared 40 plus years ago..Im sure if they looked hard enough today they would have found one somewhere...

Even some jerks at the paint shop got the 1:1 one all wrong too..
Oh the humanity...
Oh c’mon, Crownvic. You’re kidding’, aren’t you?
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Good point. Another “problem” that is hard to understand...
"left hand doesn't know what right hand is doing" is a rather widespread problem throughout all businesses I'd think.
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"left hand doesn't know what right hand is doing" is a rather widespread problem throughout all businesses I'd think.
Maybe same here...!

Anyway, let’s see how Inflight is doing on the B’Cal A310 finally.
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That said by everyone, given that Inflight200 have already produced the BCal 707 in the final scheme, the same as the A310, and they they produced the DC10 & 747 for ARD in the final scheme, lets hope they are consistant in the final production of their version of the A310. Inflight lets see some BCal BAC 111's too please.
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That said by everyone, given that Inflight200 have already produced the BCal 707 in the final scheme, the same as the A310, and they they produced the DC10 & 747 for ARD in the final scheme, lets hope they are consistant in the final production of their version of the A310. Inflight lets see some BCal BACX111's too please.
As for the A310, I am positive. And concerning future releases such as One-Elevens, too. ;-)

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This is a well worded post as you definitely speak from experience. I also think that Gemini's answer was also appropriate too. Based on the photos they used they felt the color was correct, however based on your correspondence with them the answer they gave was also interesting as they admit the mistake and apologized.
Once and for all, back on the Gemini thing: I don’t want to be too negative. But in opposite to what you were saying, the are just admitting the obvious but don’t apologize for anything. There’s no such “Sorry, we picked the wrong color” (btw, not a wrong tone, it’s a completely the wrong color!), they are just referring to the pictures they were looking at, and that they cannot or don’t want to argue with VC10-1103 since he worked on the original aircraft. Not the best way of argumentation, I must say. Admitting and apologizing would have read like “We picked the wrong color since we referred to pictures only. We did not use the original color codes so everything went bust”. As simple as that. What they are doing actually is arguing around the core point.

Sorry for coming back to that point but I was quite incited by what they replied and what you offered as interpretation.
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Yeah they suck..they should have gone and looked for the real thing that disappeared 40 plus years ago..Im sure if they looked hard enough today they would have found one somewhere...

Even some jerks at the paint shop got the 1:1 one all wrong too..
Oh the humanity...



Hmm....interesting pics showing G200s color not too off.
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Attachment 357440Hmm....interesting pics showing G200s color not too off.
What!!!!!!!!?

This is the correct colour
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Hmm....interesting pics showing G200s color not too off.
With all due respect to anyone defending Gemini with his/her life... gold is NOT orange, my friend. If you don’t suffer from color ametropia, that comment of yours is a pointless.
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Old 02-28-2021, 12:06 PM   #34 (permalink)
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With all due respect to anyone defending Gemini with his/her life... gold is NOT orange, my friend. If you don’t suffer from color ametropia, that comment of yours is a pointless.

Again, I meant not too off.

Sure, not correct, but def. not a massive disaster as I assumed.

Again, just based on those two specific pics.
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Gold is not orange???? So now your saying it should have been orange???
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Again, I meant not too off.

Sure, not correct, but def. not a massive disaster as I assumed.

Again, just based on those two specific pics.
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Not a disaster? I have just spent over £100.00 to add this screw up this to my BCal collection and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Particularly when you worked on the aircraft for its entire BCal service. BCal DID NOT use metallic paint.

Even more annoying is the fact GJ have produced other BCal models reasonably accurately.
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Gold is not orange???? So now your saying it should have been orange???
What is “orange”? It’s yellow with a higher portion of red. Check out the color code for the B’Cal livery and guess what...?! It’s a slightly “darker yellow”
- which means a very, very light orange tone. “Gold” is not among the colours used. That’s the “obvious” part of the error. ;-)


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Again, I meant not too off.

Sure, not correct, but def. not a massive disaster as I assumed.

Again, just based on those two specific pics.
All okay, AZ610, I am just really disappointed by Gemini’s poor (we could also say ‘unprofessional’) excuse, so I hope I did not offense you.
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Not a disaster? I have just spent over £100.00 to add this screw up this to my BCal collection and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Particularly when you worked on the aircraft for its entire BCal service. BCal DID NOT use metallic paint.

Even more annoying is the fact GJ have produced other BCal models reasonably accurately.

I agree VC-10, I agree with you.

Its disappointing. I love BCAL livery and it's a shame.
I am just contextualizing it with those 2 pics that CrownVic provided, whilst not gold, its the same tone.
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