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Old 08-30-2020, 12:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all.
I would like to add a Concorde to my collection. BA or AF, it doesn't matter since it's just for the love of the bird as I never flew on one of those.
I've read a bit on the forum and I am a bit confused regarding the different manufacturers.
Is the Hogan diecast or plastic ( I've read two versions)? Any recommendation over a specific brand? No all the brand's have the reclining nose, have they? Thanks for your tips.
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Old 08-30-2020, 01:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like a cue for Aviaction....

IMO, you cannot go wrong with the Hogan. It is diecast. I also have one Gemini, which is good, but I like the simplicity of the earlier model.
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I have Concordes models from three different manufacturers.

Historic Aircraft Model.
The first Concorde ever released, I bought it some twenty years ago, a light weight model certainly made from Aluminium alloy.
These models are rarely mentioned on the forum, they are not rare but it seems that the production was limited.

Hogan Model.
This model came much later, despite a few inaccuracies, nose, position of the canard, it was the only model for many years.
It was die cast.

Inflight Model.
Inflight joined the club using the Hogan mould.
Many fantasy models were released.
Inflight product was not better than the Hogan one and brought nothing more.

JC Wings came with a new mould.
High ambitions, droop nose and very fragile moveable engine nozzles.
The gap between the droop nose and the fuselage, even when nose 0°, prevented me from buying this model.
The moveable engine nozzles brought no value to the model except problems.
The Pitot tube on the nose looked oversized ...
I did not buy this model.

Lupa Model.
Recently released, the model is very nice, the nose, the position of the canard, the Pitot tube are good, the landing gear and the engine nozzles are nicely detailed.
It has no antennae and there is no specific detail on the doors.
The model has a droop nose and a separate visor.
The gap between the droop nose and the fuselage is quite acceptable.
This model is not a toy, playing with the droop nose cannot be an option at this scale and that brings nothing.
The model can be displayed nose 0°, with or without the visor, supersonic or subsonic cruise.
I have not tried to lower the droop nose.

After the Historic Aircraft Model and the Hogan Model, I bought the Lupa version and I have no regret.

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Not much to add. the Hogan/Inflight/ARD etc are all ok in Diecast but fixed gear and nose. Most schemes done both real and fantasy. They are fairly durable in diecast but some of my early ones -15years plus- are starting to paint bubble (early sign of possible zinc rot)


Gemini,JCwings/Lupa are great with all the moving bits. But more fragile and those damn moveable - read fall apart - exhaust nozzles.


Avoid plastic ones that are out there in 1/200 as generally innacurate

There is an Atlas one in polished metal and BA colors , again cheaper but less accurate.


Picture of Concorde Gemini 1/200
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prepare to pay concorde ticket price for the model...lol
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Anybody have pics of the Lupa version?
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Old 08-31-2020, 03:05 PM   #7 (permalink)
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...here ya go...Name:  Concorde.jpg
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Old 08-31-2020, 03:14 PM   #8 (permalink)
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...in all seriousness, this is the only one I have found thus far...Concorde-lupa.jpg
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A few pictures showing the details of the Lupa CCD.

The last two pictures were taken with my iPhone, they could have been better.


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Old 09-24-2020, 08:19 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I now have a trial website londonairport.info which was to try and put my collection of models and epherama together.
Has a mainly London Airport bias but have put concorde 1/200 on there and loads of models to add.
Please allow for error and some picture quality issues which will get corrected over time.
This is currently on trial to gauge interest.

Any ideas on improvement please let me know.
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Concorde models https://londonairport.info/model-aircraft
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I missed this thread somehow. Anyhow this may be of some interest.


(1) my biggest regret is don't assume everything will be made on new tooling. My favorite Air France was a Hogan lovely model. JCW has still not released to this day.





Then there is this collection











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Awesome thread

my Concorde's are both from Hogan Wings and one of them is near impossible to find as well.

Here they are then:

Aérospatiale - BAC Concorde
British Airways "Landor Livery"
G-BOAE "Alpha Echo"
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Aérospatiale - BAC Concorde
Air France "Standard Livery"
F-BVFC "Foxtrot Charlie"
Scale : 200
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I know some collectors like the "new fangled" Concorde models but I'll always have fond memories of owning Hogan BA Concorde models.

Happy collecting memories.
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Thanks to your answers in this thread, I went ahead and looked for my first Concorde. I found that beauty. Just received it. Although I agree with the comments saying the Hogan nose is a bit wrong, I am super happy with this model! And I got it for a great price
The map that comes with it and includes the North Atlantic tracks specific to Concorde is a great addition.
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What a beautiful Concorde collection! Very impressive! Every single one is fantastic!

Hogan Concorde’s may look a bit “crude” but they’re beautiful in their own way.

Anyways, I'd say Gemini release of the Concorde, is really good.
Excellent quality and details, but comes with a big hefty price!
Here are some pictures of mine (G2BAW599 Reg: G-BOAC).
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I still prefer the Hogan mould - more elegant that the itsy-bitsy Gemini JC mould.
AFAIK they didn't do F-BVFC in Air France Scheme. I have had to custom decal Old Scheme and New Scheme as this airframe. F-BVFC was the only Air France flown in the old scheme.
I have updated layout on my website.
Please feedback as I am still unsure what I am doing is worth it....?
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Thanks to your answers in this thread, I went ahead and looked for my first Concorde. I found that beauty. Just received it. Although I agree with the comments saying the Hogan nose is a bit wrong, I am super happy with this model! And I got it for a great price
The map that comes with it and includes the North Atlantic tracks specific to Concorde is a great addition.



Congratulations on your find and reeling in one of the best. I wish I still had mine
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I still prefer the Hogan mould - more elegant that the itsy-bitsy Gemini JC mould.
AFAIK they didn't do F-BVFC in Air France Scheme. I have had to custom decal Old Scheme and New Scheme as this airframe. F-BVFC was the only Air France flown in the old scheme.
I have updated layout on my website.
Please feedback as I am still unsure what I am doing is worth it....?
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Worth it? Definitely. Enjoyed looking at your pics. Well laid out and easy to use.

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Aren't JC Wings and Lupa sharing the same mould?

If you want to display Concorde with the landing gear retracted, what are the options? I have both the Hogan and JC Wings, the landing gear is fixed, extended.
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I still prefer the Hogan mould - more elegant that the itsy-bitsy Gemini JC mould.
AFAIK they didn't do F-BVFC in Air France Scheme. I have had to custom decal Old Scheme and New Scheme as this airframe. F-BVFC was the only Air France flown in the old scheme.
I have updated layout on my website.
Please feedback as I am still unsure what I am doing is worth it....?
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Thank you for your pictures and congratulations to you for this exceptional collection.

A few comments about the Concordes with the AF blue cheat line.

The first "French" prototype, Concorde 001 F-WTSS, never received the AF livery.

The second pre-production aircraft Concorde 02 F-WTSA received the blue cheat line livery, it was never delivered to AF and is preserved at Paris Orly.

The first production aircraft Concorde 201 was registered F-WTSB but was not to full production standard and was retained by Aérospatiale, it is stored at Toulouse.
This aircraft received the blue cheat line, Hogan made a model of this aircraft with this livery.

The third production aircraft Concorde 203 F-WTSC received the blue cheat line livery, leased to AF in December 1975, it was purchased by the airline in 1980.
The aircraft was operated with the bar code livery

The fifth production aircraft Concorde 205 F-BVFA was in fact the first aircraft delivered to AF 19/12/1975 with the bar code livery.

All the following aircraft were delivered to AF with this livery specifically designed for the Concorde.

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Aren't JC Wings and Lupa sharing the same mould?
Not sure they share the same mould.

When pictures of the JC Wings product were published, I was not convinced by the Pitot tube (oversized) and the gap between the droop nose and the fuselage, even with the nose at 0 degree.

Then came the Lupa model, these details looked much better, I bought it and have no regret.

Was the tooling modified ?

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I am thinking of buying the Air France JC Wings JC8911 version as I do not own one yet. Also as I am allowed to buy non KLM planes if Klm has not owned them.

I flew on one of the last BA Concorde flights but I do not remember which one. I need to figure that out and go on the hunt for a model.

It was a very expensive trip but had to do it. It was a deal where you could fly BA on 747 to New York and fly back with the Concorde. I spend all my money and had to borrow money from parents to do it but still do not regret it.
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I am thinking of buying the Air France JC Wings JC8911 version as I do not own one yet. Also as I am allowed to buy non KLM planes if Klm has not owned them.

I flew on one of the last BA Concorde flights but I do not remember which one. I need to figure that out and go on the hunt for a model.

It was a very expensive trip but had to do it. It was a deal where you could fly BA on 747 to New York and fly back with the Concorde. I spend all my money and had to borrow money from parents to do it but still do not regret it.
lol, i wish Concorde is still available for us to fly. I was in school in 20001 so got zero money.

Yeah the lupa version is not bad. But i have to say the gemini/old jc wings is the ultimate. that's why they routinely go for above $300..
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