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Old 08-03-2020, 08:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I’m so surprised Gemini has not released an A321T. American ordered these brand new and started flying them in 2014 on transcontinental routes from JFK to LAX/SFO. They are now flying from other east coast cities.

Wish we could get it in model form. 😉
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Don't they also fly these to Hawaii?
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Don't they also fly these to Hawaii?
Hmmm...I’m not sure. But I have seen these in Charlotte.
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AA was also flying them BOS-LAX but with the current situation, I'm uncertain if they still do.

Aside from possibly pax window placement, are there any visual differences between the A321 and A321T? If not, that's probably why a model of it hasn't been produced.

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AA was also flying them BOS-LAX but with the current situation, I'm uncertain if they still do.

Aside from possibly pax window placement, are there any visual differences between the A321 and A321T? If not, that's probably why a model of it hasn't been produced.
American has different engines on these A321’s. Since the original is sold out, I too would hope for a future release.

American does have a very inconsistent inflight experience. If you’re on one of the new A321’s then your 4 hour flight is pretty good. But those legacy US Airways A321’s are a different story. Surprisingly, a lot of them still ran out of Charlotte only. I remember last summer we were going to cross the country on American. I immediately selected the DFW option because I didn’t want to end up on an A321 with no IFE to go from Charlotte to Portland.
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American has different engines on these A321’s. Since the original is sold out, I too would hope for a future release.

American does have a very inconsistent inflight experience. If you’re on one of the new A321’s then your 4 hour flight is pretty good. But those legacy US Airways A321’s are a different story. Surprisingly, a lot of them still ran out of Charlotte only. I remember last summer we were going to cross the country on American. I immediately selected the DFW option because I didn’t want to end up on an A321 with no IFE to go from Charlotte to Portland.
IFE? Isn’t that what the window is for?
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Don't they also fly these to Hawaii?

Yep. I flew one LAX-HNL-LAX last year.


I generally collect what I have flown on, and would love to see this produced in diecast.
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The A321T (also called 32B) refers to just the 3 class configured legacy AA planes that fly JFK-SFO/LAX. The rest of the legacy AA's A321's are split into a Hawaii subfleet which is ETOPS equipped and a non ETOPS subfleet. Both of which have IFE and in seat power. I'm pretty sure that there aren't any exterior visual differences between any of these types. The window placement may be a little different as KLM4me said above but I think it's the same between LAA.

The legacy US ones are a mix of IAE and CFM engines and without the sharklets. Slowly AA is retrofitting the US 321's which have bigger bins and in seat power (crazy even first doesn't have power). I flew on my first one Sunday, its definitely an improvement but still nothing close to the LAA A321's. Wish we got more of the LAA ones in CLT.

Would be good to see the 321T in 1/200. The legacy US one Gemini made a while back I think had CFM engines?
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The former American A321 release by Gemini was a classic A321 former US Airways aircraft and yes had CFM engines. The A321T's have IAE engines and sharklets ane were brand new airplanes to American.
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Hmmm...I’m not sure. But I have seen these in Charlotte.
Yes. I looked and they do fly to Hawaii. Also I've seen them in CLT and PHL.
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Here is an American/former US Airways A321 with IAE engines.
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Within the company, there are several codes used for the different versions of the A321.

A321T- the configuration is used exclusively on JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO for the high demand for first and business class seats on those routes. T meaning “transcon.” 10 first class suites, 20 lie-flat business class seats, and 72 in economy, of which half are Main Cabin Extra with more legroom. In the past, the A321T has been used briefly on LAX-MIA, LAX-BOS, LAX-YYZ. To increase utilization, and when American Eagle ops were pulled from BOS, the A321T has been used on JFK-BOS. Passengers love that plane.

A321S- the code used for the standard AA version, with about 190 seats and video screens at all seats. Legacy America West management is taking the video screens out in favor of streaming video on passengers’ own devices.

A321L- the legacy US A321s with no video screens, no power ports, but power ports are being installed. Passengers hate that plane.

A321NX- basically what AA is calling the A321neo internally.

The aircraft used to Hawaii are a mix of A321S, A321L and A321NX. The A321T cannot be used to Hawaii because they are not overwater equipped.
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Within the company, there are several codes used for the different versions of the A321.

A321T- the configuration is used exclusively on JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO for the high demand for first and business class seats on those routes. T meaning “transcon.” 10 first class suites, 20 lie-flat business class seats, and 72 in economy, of which half are Main Cabin Extra with more legroom. In the past, the A321T has been used briefly on LAX-MIA, LAX-BOS, LAX-YYZ. To increase utilization, and when American Eagle ops were pulled from BOS, the A321T has been used on JFK-BOS. Passengers love that plane.

A321S- the code used for the standard AA version, with about 190 seats and video screens at all seats. Legacy America West management is taking the video screens out in favor of streaming video on passengers’ own devices.

A321L- the legacy US A321s with no video screens, no power ports, but power ports are being installed. Passengers hate that plane.

A321NX- basically what AA is calling the A321neo internally.

The aircraft used to Hawaii are a mix of A321S, A321L and A321NX. The A321T cannot be used to Hawaii because they are not overwater equipped.
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Within the company, there are several codes used for the different versions of the A321.

A321T- the configuration is used exclusively on JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO for the high demand for first and business class seats on those routes. T meaning “transcon.” 10 first class suites, 20 lie-flat business class seats, and 72 in economy, of which half are Main Cabin Extra with more legroom. In the past, the A321T has been used briefly on LAX-MIA, LAX-BOS, LAX-YYZ. To increase utilization, and when American Eagle ops were pulled from BOS, the A321T has been used on JFK-BOS. Passengers love that plane.

A321S- the code used for the standard AA version, with about 190 seats and video screens at all seats. Legacy America West management is taking the video screens out in favor of streaming video on passengers’ own devices.

A321L- the legacy US A321s with no video screens, no power ports, but power ports are being installed. Passengers hate that plane.

A321NX- basically what AA is calling the A321neo internally.

The aircraft used to Hawaii are a mix of A321S, A321L and A321NX. The A321T cannot be used to Hawaii because they are not overwater equipped.
The A321S category also contains the A321H subfleet, which are the ETOPS aircraft for Hawaii flying (ships 850-865). On one notable occasion they sent the wrong kind of A321 to Hawaii. Only those 16 aircraft plus the new A321neo deliveries can fly to Hawaii; IIRC, none of the legacy US Airways A321s are ETOPS equipped, though they all have the 2 auxiliary fuel tanks. US Airways and later AA was using former America West 757s for Hawaii flying out of LUS hubs until the pandemic.

Interestingly, they don’t seem to have separate codes for the CFM powered LUS A321s (ships 150-199) and the IAE powered LUS A321s (ships 507-587, 912-927, 970-982). Then again, the onboard experience is identical on both.

Sidebar: I much prefer the nose numbering scheme for the Boeing aircraft where the type and subtype are immediately distinguishable versus having to know all of the number ranges for the Airbus fleet. The 900s were the worst because until recently there were also 757s and E190s in that mix.

I wouldn’t say that passengers hate the LUS A321. The lack of power and IFE is a negative, but AA is in the process of ripping out IFE anyway and the major plus of the LUS A321s is the comfortable well padded seats and generous legroom. I would happily take an LUS A321 on a transcon and bring my own power pack versus an LAA A321, or worse: any A321 with the awful new Oasis interior. 30” pitch, no IFE, and no padding.
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