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Old 07-04-2020, 03:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Today I received a new diecast model with the vertical stabilizer detached. I am able to reattach it no problem, but it is loose.

I would like to ask all experts on what glue do you use to reattach the loose items? Any preparation needed? This is the first time it has happened to me.

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Old 07-04-2020, 07:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I am not an expert, just someone who makes models.

The problem was very often raised, unless you are familiar with Super Glue, don't use it, the risk of damaging the paint with vapors is real.

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I've never had an issue with using a small amount of super glue on a large piece like that. Some people have posted that they use Elmer's white glue but I personally have not tried that.

For more delicate repairs or ones that need more strength, like landing gear, a two-part epoxy is the best solution:

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The white glue for these uses is really good because it is not permanent and can be cleaned-up easily as it is water-based. If it goes more than where you want it, it does't matter.

Watch out for the super-glue, while it dries, it gives off corrosive fumes that can give a cloudy affect on darker painted areas that are close to where you glued.

On parts that are small and are touched often, the white glue is not strong enough. It's good for stabs and stuff that fit into the fuselage.
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Washable glue like Elmers.

Elmers sells a transparent washable glue but I have not used it and cannot therefore attest to its safety.

Do not use superglue unless you have the hands of a surgeon.
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White glue. If you are not satisfied of the result, have other chances to retry, and once it is dry it is firmly glued.
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Usually I use super glue, to be used carefully - only had one minor accident until now with that: two small dots with some thin relief remained and the color lightened up a bit.

Use only less, like about one dot on the wingroot, etc, and not for antennas. The trick is in the pressure respective force that You use to get it tight, but also be careful to avoid other parts from breaking away while applying this force and perhaps slip off here.

This is really well fixed then.

I would take rubber glue for mounting landing gear, not for broken ones, but sometimes models come with separated forward landing gear like Aeroclassics DC-10 for example.

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Old 07-04-2020, 05:45 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I used J-B WELD adhesive epoxy, the twin tubes. I repaired two engines, both rear stabilizers and a wing, all on the same plane. I probably could have thrown it off a roof and it wouldn't have broken off after using that.
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Thank you very much for the replies; it has been most helpful.
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Apologies for bring this back. Been a busy couple of days.

So, apply some glue in the slot where the vertical stab goes in and along the stub that fits into the slot?

Sorry, first time, got the nerves!

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Not too much glue, glue in the slot, that's enough.

Be sure the fin is perfectly vertical (it should be), five minute epoxy will give you enough time to check everything is fine.

Protect the fuselage with masking tape.

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Old 07-11-2020, 09:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I've had great success with Elmer's white glue, plus it's washable if it does spill over. I don't think you'll be moving and grabbing your Cathay model by the tail, right?
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Elmers looks quite good, any equivalent in France or Europe ?

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Elmers looks quite good, any equivalent in France or Europe ?

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I think it's called "Colle vinylique blanche" en francais.

This white glue is only good for uses where you have something like an antenna, stab or tail and you have a tab or pin to insert into the fuselage. If you have a stab that has the tab broken off in the fuselage, it's not strong enough.
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I've had great success with Elmer's white glue, plus it's washable if it does spill over. I don't think you'll be moving and grabbing your Cathay model by the tail, right?
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Widebody, dennypayne, thank you for your clarification.

For antennae, Pitot tubes, I use G-S Hypo Cement.
Easy to apply, it dries clear, does not damage the surfaces and the excess can be removed very easily.

Made in USA, available in Europe (Aviation Megastore).

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Thanks for the tip Jean Pierre, will buy this glue with my next order at AVM.
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Apologies for bring this back. Been a busy couple of days.

So, apply some glue in the slot where the vertical stab goes in and along the stub that fits into the slot?

Sorry, first time, got the nerves!

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Well, I would use a slow setting thicker super glue found in model shops. That will give you a few minutes to confirm your straightness, and to adjust if necessary. I'd only use a dot or two IN THE WELL, on the sides at the bottom. Apply using a toothpick. Dry-fit first to make 100% sure that stabilizer is going to go in fully with one firm push. DON'T apply super glue until the fit is confirmed!

Good luck, however you proceed.
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Widebody, dennypayne, thank you for your clarification.

For antennae, Pitot tubes, I use G-S Hypo Cement.
Easy to apply, it dries clear, does not damage the surfaces and the excess can be removed very easily.

Made in USA, available in Europe (Aviation Megastore).

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Yes! keep drumming up this stuff. Its brillant and reversible.
Careful if you tape a model. I ripped paint off a rare Skyline doing that.


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For antennae, Pitot tubes, I use G-S Hypo Cement.
Easy to apply, it dries clear, does not damage the surfaces and the excess can be removed very easily.

Made in USA, available in Europe (Aviation Megastore).

Jean Pierre.
Thank you for the tip. I was going to add it to my Order with them today, unfortunately it is forbidden to ship it internationally so they cannot sell it to me.
I will try to find an equivalent in Chinese 🙄.
Btw have you ever used it on vertical stabs ?
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It is true that glues and adhesives are listed among regulated articles and classified as flammable.
Shipping these articles by air can be strictly restricted, just like paints or perfumes.

Remember the Air France K 40-13.

For the fins and stabilizers, I would use 5-minute epoxy but there are other products as good or better.
No super glue ...

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It is true that glues and adhesives are listed among regulated articles and classified as flammable.
Shipping these articles by air can be strictly restricted, just like paints or perfumes.[...]For the fins and stabilizers, I would use 5-minute epoxy but there are other products as good or better.
No super glue ...
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Reminds me of my "DGR" certification
Merci for the tip about the epoxy.
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