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Old 07-02-2020, 03:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I lack an Air France 777-300ER model in my collection and I'd like your opinion about the different molds. I've searched the forum and read different threats. But it seems they are a couple of years old and I was wondering if there were some improvements recently. Is the Inflight still the best mold (despite the issue with the landing gear)? I wanted to check in the local shops but none of them have AF models available in 1/200.
So what do you guys think? Any insight will be welcomed
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"77W" is ???
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"77W" is ???
Sorry. Old habit.
77W stands for 777-300ER.
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I am no expert on B 777 and I have no specific knowledge of this aircraft.

I remember some some years ago there was a strong discussion about the respective merits of the Inflight and JC Wings models, I can't make any comment on the landing gear, the engine nacelles or the cockpit windows.

AF B 777-300s are inexistent on the market except on the SOCATEC product list, it is an Inflight model, my guess is that it is produced exclusively for SOCATEC.

F-GSQV, price tag € 139, you will find the model on page 4.

SOCATEC was recently mandated by the AF Museum to commission models wearing the livery of the airline, this is the reason why these models are not available from other retailers.
This can also explain the price of some models which are completely crazy.

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I hate to start this topic over again. Those who have been here for awhile remember the division this topic caused last time. I'll try to be neutral and highlight some of the pros and cons of each model.


Inflight/Bluebox: Good nose and engine shape. Center of the nose is where is should be in relation to the pax doors and nose center. Engines are just slightly slightly small and the pylon profile could be a little better. Landing gear have already been mentioned. They could be a little bit more detailed. Paint finish is usually excellent, but some small details such as engine markings are not as good as JCW/Gemini 777s. Has an actual hole for the APU instead of just a painted representation.



JCW/Gemini: Nose shape and center of nose is not as good as the Inflight mold. The center of the nose is too high. Cockpit windows are a little too small. Engine shape is a little off with the intake a little too slanted compared to the real aircraft. pylon profile is better than Inflight, but is too thin when observed from above. The engines are slightly oversized (about the same small amount that the Inflight engines are slightly small). Paint has good and accurate small details, but sometimes has small smudges and dust in the paint. The JCW/GJ mold is usually produced in larger numbers and is usually less expensive for that reason, but popular models will be just as expensive as Inflight. Very good landing gear detail. The best of the bunch. They are also generally lighter in weight, which can mean lower shipping costs.



Phoenix/Eagle: Good nose shape, but lacks small details. Has a rounded tail cone with not very much detail. Some have commented that it has the best nose shape of the diecast models. Engine shape is off and the overall size is too small. Generally not as detailed as Inflight or JCW/GJ models. Phoenix produces some nice 1/400 scale models and their Airbus mold is decent, but the landing gear are relatively plain with little detail and almost always painted silver.


Hogan and Skymarks/Risesoon:
Plastic models that are inexpensive and lack details such as antenna and engine strakes. They do not compre in detail to the diecast models.


My take. If you like the massive size of the GE-90-115 engines, good small painted details, good landing gear, but don't mind the nose shape and smaller cockpit windows, JCW/GJ models may suit your taste better. If you like better sized cockpit windows and a little more accurate nose shape, excellent paint finish with slightly less details and the shape of the pylons are not you primary concern, you will be happy with Inflight. Both make an Air France model.In fact, all have also so have produced an Air France 777-300ER.


I'm sure this post will get a lot of blowback, particularly from Gemini fans, but as always, look at all of the alternatives and buy what you like and like what you buy.
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Thank you Charlie Alpha for giving us a refresher on the B 777 moulds.

At the moment it seems that the only AF B 777s available are from SOCATEC.
The -200 is Gemini and the -300 an Inflight product.

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Thank you Charlie Alpha for giving us a refresher on the B 777 moulds.

At the moment it seems that the only AF B 777s available are from SOCATEC.
The -200 is Gemini and the -300 an Inflight product.

Jean Pierre.

There is of course eBay and the 'wanted' section on this forum. Occasionally members decide to 'thin out' their collections, and eBay usually has some models available, but I see eBay as a riskier option. There is no guarentee with models in the 'for sale' section either, but I think your chances are better.



keep watching the 'for sale' section of the forum. Most models eventually pop up for sale if you can't find a new model.

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I think Gemini/JC Wings and Inflight are the most popular and common brands for the 777-300 ER in 1:200. I really like both brands actually.

My personal advice. Try to find out what do you like the most about the 777. Nose shape, Nose(Cockpit Windows) , Engines, Fuselage, Gear and so on...

Every brand has their advantages and disadvantages. None is perfect, unfortunately.

And don't limit yourself to only one brand.

Inflight, BBox, JFox and WB Models have got some really nice pre orders in the moment.

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I generally agree with Charlie Alpha's comments but FWIW, I found the printing on my Inflight Air New Zealand example to be inferior to the JCW version (the white koru on the tail showed a lot of bleedthrough from the black behind it, and the fern shape was not rendered correctly). So while I agree about the nose shape, etc. of the IF being better, I have to disagree about the printing being excellent, in my experience.
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I hate to start this topic over again. Those who have been here for awhile remember the division this topic caused last time. I'll try to be neutral and highlight some of the pros and cons of each model.

I'm sure this post will get a lot of blowback, particularly from Gemini fans, but as always, look at all of the alternatives and buy what you like and like what you buy.
On the contrary, that was very fair and a well balanced critique!
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Thank you Charlie Alpha for giving us a refresher on the B 777 moulds.

At the moment it seems that the only AF B 777s available are from SOCATEC.
The -200 is Gemini and the -300 an Inflight product.

Jean Pierre.

The -200 (F-GSPX) is now sold out.
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Old 07-03-2020, 08:53 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Thank you for your message. I found your summary very clear and it really helped me a lot. Not my intention to start fights lol. I just wanted to know if there were any changes to those models. I have my answer so a big THANK YOU.
I found a small shop here in HK which seems to have a model or two. I'll go and have a look.

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I hate to start this topic over again. Those who have been here for awhile remember the division this topic caused last time. I'll try to be neutral and highlight some of the pros and cons of each model.


Inflight/Bluebox: Good nose and engine shape. Center of the nose is where is should be in relation to the pax doors and nose center. Engines are just slightly slightly small and the pylon profile could be a little better. Landing gear have already been mentioned. They could be a little bit more detailed. Paint finish is usually excellent, but some small details such as engine markings are not as good as JCW/Gemini 777s. Has an actual hole for the APU instead of just a painted representation.



JCW/Gemini: Nose shape and center of nose is not as good as the Inflight mold. The center of the nose is too high. Cockpit windows are a little too small. Engine shape is a little off with the intake a little too slanted compared to the real aircraft. pylon profile is better than Inflight, but is too thin when observed from above. The engines are slightly oversized (about the same small amount that the Inflight engines are slightly small). Paint has good and accurate small details, but sometimes has small smudges and dust in the paint. The JCW/GJ mold is usually produced in larger numbers and is usually less expensive for that reason, but popular models will be just as expensive as Inflight. Very good landing gear detail. The best of the bunch. They are also generally lighter in weight, which can mean lower shipping costs.



Phoenix/Eagle: Good nose shape, but lacks small details. Has a rounded tail cone with not very much detail. Some have commented that it has the best nose shape of the diecast models. Engine shape is off and the overall size is too small. Generally not as detailed as Inflight or JCW/GJ models. Phoenix produces some nice 1/400 scale models and their Airbus mold is decent, but the landing gear are relatively plain with little detail and almost always painted silver.


Hogan and Skymarks/Risesoon:
Plastic models that are inexpensive and lack details such as antenna and engine strakes. They do not compre in detail to the diecast models.


My take. If you like the massive size of the GE-90-115 engines, good small painted details, good landing gear, but don't mind the nose shape and smaller cockpit windows, JCW/GJ models may suit your taste better. If you like better sized cockpit windows and a little more accurate nose shape, excellent paint finish with slightly less details and the shape of the pylons are not you primary concern, you will be happy with Inflight. Both make an Air France model.In fact, all have also so have produced an Air France 777-300ER.


I'm sure this post will get a lot of blowback, particularly from Gemini fans, but as always, look at all of the alternatives and buy what you like and like what you buy.
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I have an IF200 and GJ200 773er and the wingtip heights differ quite in hight from the ground. I am going trying to find out which one is the most accurate compared to the real 'thing'.

My son (13) made a smart remark... one just landed with empty tanks.. the other is filled to the max for departure...
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He is absolutely right ...

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My son (13) made a smart remark... one just landed with empty tanks.. the other is filled to the max for departure...
Hilarious! Reminds me of my son.

The Inflight nose is not my cup of tea. But there were several discussions about it.
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J-Fox and Inflight use the same mould, aren't they?
I'm going to buy the Air France skyteam livery and since there is a J-Fox and a JC Wings version, I suppose it goes back to an Inflight/JC Wings duel.
Any of you have one (or both) versions(s)? I never saw it but in pictures, how is the grey livery looking on a diecast model?
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I have an IF200 and GJ200 773er and the wingtip heights differ quite in hight from the ground. I am going trying to find out which one is the most accurate compared to the real 'thing'.

My son (13) made a smart remark... one just landed with empty tanks.. the other is filled to the max for departure...
Just in case if you want to check:

Wingtip clearance for 77W should be between 36.45mm and 39.5mm in 200 scale for the conditions your son suggested
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Three50, I think you have a lot of threads to read on the 777-300 nose shape, if you’re interested
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J-Fox and Inflight use the same mould, aren't they?
I'm going to buy the Air France skyteam livery and since there is a J-Fox and a JC Wings version, I suppose it goes back to an Inflight/JC Wings duel.
Any of you have one (or both) versions(s)? I never saw it but in pictures, how is the grey livery looking on a diecast model?
Recently I got some Inflight 777's and I have to change my opinion on the nose shape. On photos it looks pointier than it actual is. It's pretty decent and the cockpit windows details are amazing. Plus I think Inflight has changed something comparing to 2018 and earlier models. But that's just subjective.
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Wanted to upload pictures but I get this. So as I have no idea why.... I can not share 6 models with all different wing-hights

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Just in case if you want to check:

Wingtip clearance for 77W should be between 36.45mm and 39.5mm in 200 scale for the conditions your son suggested
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I have 777s from IF, GJ, JC, and Phoenix, and am very happy with all of them. I tend to be more price conscious, but in some cases held to specific offerings. As an example, the ANZ 773 Smaug livery is only available in diecast from Phoenix.
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Three50, I think you have a lot of threads to read on the 777-300 nose shape, if you’re interested
Yes, Yes I've read them. Thank you. I read them before starting the thread a few months ago. This time my questions was just to know if Inflight and J-Fox share the same mould.

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Recently I got some Inflight 777's and I have to change my opinion on the nose shape. On photos it looks pointier than it actual is. It's pretty decent and the cockpit windows details are amazing. Plus I think Inflight has changed something comparing to 2018 and earlier models. But that's just subjective.
Thanks for the feedback.

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I have 777s from IF, GJ, JC, and Phoenix, and am very happy with all of them. I tend to be more price conscious, but in some cases held to specific offerings. As an example, the ANZ 773 Smaug livery is only available in diecast from Phoenix.
Yes sometimes, one doesn't have a choice. But for the AF Skyteam livery I mentioned there are two versions: J-Fox and JC Wings and the difference of price is quite important.
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