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What is your viewpoint? Seeing GJ jumped on that BIZ train (and doing a pretty good job there) too, maybe NG should focus a little more on commercial aviation in 1/200 aswell. But thats just my two cents, what are yours?
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Commercial. They did a great job on the BA World Tail CRJs and have plenty of options there.
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Commercial, but I hope they can stick to (classic) regional jets or props and expand in that area. Still some nice aicraft tp be made in 1:200. I.m.o. we need this more than another "big" jet manufacturer.
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I would love to see a Super VC-10. Not a regional jet, but still a classic. Also the early 737 series' would be hotsellers.
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A 757 in 1/200 to match the one they have in 1/400
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There's no reason that NG can't do both as well. I'd love to see them do 757 and 737 moulds. There is no doubt that they'd be very popular.

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There's no reason that NG can't do both as well. I'd love to see them do 757 and 737 moulds. There is doubt that they'd be very popular.
Did you mean 'NO' doubt?
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I chose commercial because that is all I collect.
The 757-200 without winglets is a no brainer in my opinion. 737-200 thru -800 without winglets is a market, not to mention smallish types such as the Yak-42 and the Trident.
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NG should perfect the 727/757/767/777 moulds so that they can take the market away from Gemini. One caveat; they MUST devote time to classic airlines. Especially Deregulation-era liveries. To be liberated from the impotence of GJ would be glorious.
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NG should perfect the 727/757/767/777 moulds so that they can take the market away from Gemini. One caveat; they MUST devote time to classic airlines. Especially Deregulation-era liveries. To be liberated from the impotence of GJ would be glorious.
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i want a few more business jets models. including smaller ones like citation x or even micro business jets
other turboprop models like beech 1900D or beech starship or piaggio avanti would be excellent!

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Commercial, but I hope they can stick to (classic) regional jets or props and expand in that area. Still some nice aicraft tp be made in 1:200. I.m.o. we need this more than another "big" jet manufacturer.
I fully agree on the BIG Jet manufacturer issue - we have more than enough 330/340s or 777s around in 1/200 - if not perfect though. I would like them to keep an eye on moulds not yet made or not not properly used. I would add some short- and midhaul aircraft like the Trident, Caravelle, early Boeing jets and A310/300 aswell. We are also missing russian aircraft like the Yak-42, Tu-134/A, Tu-154 (a good one), and Il-62/86/96. AND what about a Tu-114?? (just brainstorming)
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More turboprops, Beech 1900C, King Air, Bae ATP. I would love for NG to work with Herpa and their excellent Dash 7 mould to release some older US liveries like Allegheny Commuter, Piedmont Henson, Golden West, Golden Gate, Rio, etc.
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other turboprop models like beech 1900D or beech starship or piaggio avanti would be excellent!
Absolutely agree with you about the bizjet / small aircraft market. No one, no one bothers with them. Why? I would collect them like they're going out of style.
What airport doesn't have these personal / regional aircraft? NG would be perfect for the Cessna Citation/172/182, Beechcraft Super King Air/Bonanza, Gates Learjet 25/36, Piper Comanche/Apache, and so many other classic, historic and important planes.
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More turboprops, Beech 1900C, King Air, Bae ATP. I would love for NG to work with Herpa and their excellent Dash 7 mould to release some older US liveries like Allegheny Commuter, Piedmont Henson, Golden West, Golden Gate, Rio, etc.
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To move out of fantasyland into reality would be awesome �� And exhausting to think about!

For me, I’m mostly 80s/90s/, some 2000s, 70s, 60s. Mostly US airlines.

I do NOT want to be rebuying 727s, 757s, 747s, 737s, DC-10s, MD80s, I definitely do NOT want to rebuy Gemini/JCW 757s, Gemini/JCW/JetX/Phoenix 727s, Gemini/JCW 737s, Gemini/JCW 747s. I’d probably let Inflight 747s slide by, even though I have “replaced” the Inflight 747-400 with a Gemini or JCW version once or twice.

All the 737s without winglets to be done.. Why can’t Gemini or new Inflight do these?! Really need them to expand here, so NG can do different things. Again, for me, it’s US carriers 1980s/90s, so Gemini or Inflight doing these would have to be a new horizon possibly.

What I would want from NG is for them to do all the Inflight 727s. I’d put my money there.

I just don’t know if I’d put my money behind an NG 737-200 production, unless it’s stuff I don’t already have. I need to count my Inflight 737-200...I have between 10-20 models probably.

Thanks to the Gemini/JCW/Inflight explosions since about 2005, I have most of my collection, I believe. I’m interested in buying new stuff within my collecting criteria.

NG would have to make superior stuff for me to rebuy things. And I don’t know what those new features would be - mechanical flaps/slats/gear, lights, sounds, cutaway parts, see-through cockpit/cabin, mechanical cargo doors... no idea... I mean.. would a simple thing like bare metal engines on a DC-10 do it for me to replace an Inflight United Saul Bass DC-10 — maybe...?!

So with all this to think about, at least from my perspective, I’d suggest NG make the hell out of this turbo prop, in US brands. And go from there, along these lines.

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Also totally agree with this ^^^^^^Metro for sure, Piedmont, Allegheny Commuter, Cascade, Rio, TW Express, the list is almost endless. Also, how is it there is no 737-300 in 1/200 scale? Delta (widget), Piedmont (& all the bare metals), USAir, AirCal, Continental, New York Air, Western (bud light), Southwest, so many good liveries to choose from! Love to see NG, AC, or GJ tackle it. Boy were we ever lucky to get the Phoenix bare-metal Piedmont 737-400!
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To move out of fantasyland into reality would be awesome �� And exhausting to think about!

For me, I’m mostly 80s/90s/, some 2000s, 70s, 60s. Mostly US airlines.

I do NOT want to be rebuying 727s, 757s, 747s, 737s, DC-10s, MD80s, I definitely do NOT want to rebuy Gemini/JCW 757s, Gemini/JCW/JetX/Phoenix 727s, Gemini/JCW 737s, Gemini/JCW 747s. I’d probably let Inflight 747s slide by, even though I have “replaced” the Inflight 747-400 with a Gemini or JCW version once or twice.

All the 737s without winglets to be done.. Why can’t Gemini or new Inflight do these?! Really need them to expand here, so NG can do different things. Again, for me, it’s US carriers 1980s/90s, so Gemini or Inflight doing these would have to be a new horizon possibly.

What I would want from NG is for them to do all the Inflight 727s. I’d put my money there.

I just don’t know if I’d put my money behind an NG 737-200 production, unless it’s stuff I don’t already have. I need to count my Inflight 737-200...I have between 10-20 models probably.

Thanks to the Gemini/JCW/Inflight explosions since about 2005, I have most of my collection, I believe. I’m interested in buying new stuff within my collecting criteria.

NG would have to make superior stuff for me to rebuy things. And I don’t know what those new features would be - mechanical flaps/slats/gear, lights, sounds, cutaway parts, see-through cockpit/cabin, mechanical cargo doors... no idea... I mean.. would a simple thing like bare metal engines on a DC-10 do it for me to replace an Inflight United Saul Bass DC-10 — maybe...?!

So with all this to think about, at least from my perspective, I’d suggest NG make the hell out of this turbo prop, in US brands. And go from there, along these lines.

The problem is, that the IF200 737-200 has got a too-long fuselage. It would more fit to a hypothetical -300. And how many JCW and GJ200 732s have been released….? Way too few.
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I put forth a suggestion of a “personal drama” sub forum!! Not even kidding. Little bit of work (maybe a lot..!) on the moderator’s part to move these post to that sub, but throw some of Tony’s posts, waffle complaints, etc. in there! Just go wild in there. I’ll admit, it’s entertaining, and makes me curious on what’s going on - difficult to keep up - but the community can have these great threads going on models and then these posts come along and are so out of bounds for the topic.. And I’m against hushing what people want to say, so PD sub forum - that’s my suggestion
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I do NOT want to be rebuying 727s, 757s, 747s, 737s, DC-10s, MD80s, I definitely do NOT want to rebuy Gemini/JCW 757s, Gemini/JCW/JetX/Phoenix 727s, Gemini/JCW 737s, Gemini/JCW 747s.
This. None of these moulds are poor so it's not worth saturating the market with duplicates. Plus NG's specialty seems to be smaller aircraft, so I say more CRJ's, make a Metro, make a Beech 1900, make a Bandeirante (please!! ). I don't buy bizjets but I get that they are pretty popular so those fit their fortť as well. We need more variety, not less.
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The problem is, that the IF200 737-200 has got a too-long fuselage. It would more fit to a hypothetical -300. And how many JCW and GJ200 732s have been releasedÖ.? Way too few.
Yeah, I hear ya loud and clear. The 737-200 is a weird one when I think about it. I know Herpa and JCW have tinkered, but Inflight is really the only game in town. Unlike the 727, where we see clearly superior moulds over Inflight, the 737-200 market is completely cornered, and theyíve done soooo many of them, and donít seem to be slowing down.

Thatís really why I raise the question: Are people willing to ďrebuyĒ 737-200s... I would much rather have NG re-do all of Inflightís 727, and thatís because I stayed away from buying them. I think I have just ONE Inflight 727-200 - the United battleship, and thatís because I couldnít track a Herpa Premium when I started collecting in 2015. I probably have 5-10 Inflight 727-100, because the tail size error is less noticeable to me on a shorter fuselage.

An NG 737-200 would be fantastic, but I donít know what evidence points towards that production becoming a reality. Hell, I donít even know why NG would create propeller models.. But thatís a big want based on the responses here.

We 1:200 collectors are crying for NG to give us some attention, and the root of all this is the 1:400 757! Well guess what... we have a lot of 757s, and Gemini didnít a great job with them up until the jacked landing gear and pointy nose started taking over production lines. I wonít be rebuying an NG 757 unless I win the lotto, so sadly, even though a 1:200 NG 757 would no doubt be awesome. Considering the 1:400 improvements NG made on the 757, would a comparable upgrade be done in 1:200 scale?? Iím not familiar enough with what was wrong on the old 1:400 757 moulds.. And would worthwhile upgrades be made to other already done airliners..?

Youíre right EC, a 737-200 needs to be upgraded, significantly. Iíd be okay with that. Though personally, Iíd prefer NG re-do Inflights 727, because Iíd buy much more of those.

What we are seeing from NG in 1:200 scale is the CRJ100/200 and a couple biz jets. Itís been a year, and thatís really it. I donít find this encouraging barring an announcement of multiple new moulds.

But I do think Gemini can help us out by doing the 737-300 ó 737-800 that we are missing. Iíd rather have Gemini take those on, and NG do the 727s and 737-200.........but again, how willing would collectors be to rebuy.....
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Also totally agree with this ^^^^^^Metro for sure, Piedmont, Allegheny Commuter, Cascade, Rio, TW Express, the list is almost endless. Also, how is it there is no 737-300 in 1/200 scale? Delta (widget), Piedmont (& all the bare metals), USAir, AirCal, Continental, New York Air, Western (bud light), Southwest, so many good liveries to choose from! Love to see NG, AC, or GJ tackle it. Boy were we ever lucky to get the Phoenix bare-metal Piedmont 737-400!
Gosh off the top of my head, I think I have a Philippines Airlines 737-300. Aviation200, I believe. I mean, go figure. I am so down for the 737-300 that are posted in the other thread. Do we ask Aviation to get off their a**** and get to work?! Hahhahaa
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I put forth a suggestion of a ďpersonal dramaĒ sub forum!! Not even kidding. Little bit of work (maybe a lot..!) on the moderatorís part to move these post to that sub, but throw some of Tonyís posts, waffle complaints, etc. in there! Just go wild in there. Iíll admit, itís entertaining, and makes me curious on whatís going on - difficult to keep up - but the community can have these great threads going on models and then these posts come along and are so out of bounds for the topic.. And Iím against hushing what people want to say, so PD sub forum - thatís my suggestion
Good point and we do...its called General Squawk but very few visit that topic section. Back in the day this site was the wild west of collecting with much more aggressive comments and arguing which made it so popular. The mud slinging that went back and forth was most prevalent. And while I agree, the personal spews against other DAC members can detract from the topic, it only does so slightly and most just go past those posts and keep it back to the topic at hand. However, I do think the occasional sparks keep it entertaining .
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Yeah, I hear ya loud and clear. The 737-200 is a weird one when I think about it. I know Herpa and JCW have tinkered, but Inflight is really the only game in town. Unlike the 727, where we see clearly superior moulds over Inflight, the 737-200 market is completely cornered, and theyíve done soooo many of them, and donít seem to be slowing down.

Thatís really why I raise the question: Are people willing to ďrebuyĒ 737-200s... I would much rather have NG re-do all of Inflightís 727, and thatís because I stayed away from buying them. I think I have just ONE Inflight 727-200 - the United battleship, and thatís because I couldnít track a Herpa Premium when I started collecting in 2015. I probably have 5-10 Inflight 727-100, because the tail size error is less noticeable to me on a shorter fuselage.

An NG 737-200 would be fantastic, but I donít know what evidence points towards that production becoming a reality. Hell, I donít even know why NG would create propeller models.. But thatís a big want based on the responses here.

We 1:200 collectors are crying for NG to give us some attention, and the root of all this is the 1:400 757! Well guess what... we have a lot of 757s, and Gemini didnít a great job with them up until the jacked landing gear and pointy nose started taking over production lines. I wonít be rebuying an NG 757 unless I win the lotto, so sadly, even though a 1:200 NG 757 would no doubt be awesome. Considering the 1:400 improvements NG made on the 757, would a comparable upgrade be done in 1:200 scale?? Iím not familiar enough with what was wrong on the old 1:400 757 moulds.. And would worthwhile upgrades be made to other already done airliners..?

Youíre right EC, a 737-200 needs to be upgraded, significantly. Iíd be okay with that. Though personally, Iíd prefer NG re-do Inflights 727, because Iíd buy much more of those.

What we are seeing from NG in 1:200 scale is the CRJ100/200 and a couple biz jets. Itís been a year, and thatís really it. I donít find this encouraging barring an announcement of multiple new moulds.

But I do think Gemini can help us out by doing the 737-300 ó 737-800 that we are missing. Iíd rather have Gemini take those on, and NG do the 727s and 737-200.........but again, how willing would collectors be to rebuy.....
The amount of liveries would justify a second manfacturer (regarding JCW and GJ as one type of manufacturer being more focussed on nowadays aircraft - and leaving IF aside) constantly releasing 727s or 737s. Seeing the vast amount of liveries on their 1/400s 752 gives me hope for upcoming models based on other moulds (such as the 722 - hopefully)...and i am pretty happy to see NG is interested in releasing these kind of hybrids aswell.
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737-300 is nothing to me. The 732 is the only baby Boeing that matters to me, and I'm pretty much done collecting them.

I would like a few more 722s, but again, GJ sucks. I can't fathom why they just don't hand them over to JCW, Jet-X, and whomever else uses the exact same mould. At least then we'd see some great choices more than once a year.

InFlight200 is the ONLY manufacturer of the 747 as far as I'm concerned. They have practically every livery you can want, and the mould is far superior to GJ. But I'm pretty much done collecting them.

In fact, the only models I'm currently after are the EAL L-1011and a Conti DC-10 Red Meatball. After that, I'll be pretty much satisfied. The way the current market is going, along with aviation in general, I'll be bored of collecting and you won't have to be butthurt by my opinions.
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Good point and we do...its called General Squawk but very few visit that topic section. Back in the day this site was the wild west of collecting with much more aggressive comments and arguing which made it so popular. The mud slinging that went back and forth was most prevalent. And while I agree, the personal spews against other DAC members can detract from the topic, it only does so slightly and most just go past those posts and keep it back to the topic at hand. However, I do think the occasional sparks keep it entertaining .
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This. None of these moulds are poor so it's not worth saturating the market with duplicates. Plus NG's specialty seems to be smaller aircraft, so I say more CRJ's, make a Metro, make a Beech 1900, make a Bandeirante (please!! ). I don't buy bizjets but I get that they are pretty popular so those fit their fortť as well. We need more variety, not less.
First of all, how can you say it is their speaciality to create small aircraft - they also did the comac 919.

https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...e-ng99001.html

I agree, we need more variation - but variation means a risk sometimes. So we need models which sell without any doubt - and these are the early 737s and 721/722.

Second: you did not get the point regarding the moulds being metioned above. It is pretty easy to make a model already being released not being a dublicate despite it is wearing the same livery - just give it a different registration. Btw. Inflight models are limited and in case i would want a model IF previously released I would have to hope for another manufacturer to release it. - correct me if I am wrong. So yes, we do need dublicates of certain models because some might want THAT specific model in THIS livery. And if you do not have different options - mouldwise - estbblished manufacturers can sell the same substandard stuff over decades without the need to change anything on their moulds.
Once again: it makes no sense to choose bad instead of good accuaracy when you got the choice. It is pretty common to replace a model with a more accurate when available btw.
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First of all, how can you say it is their speaciality to create small aircraft - they also did the comac 919.
one model out of the 50 they've done in 1:200 so far which are CRJ and bizjets. OK.

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Why do "we" need that? I mean...I don't want a model maker to go out of business because of bad business decisions, but ultimately that's not "our" problem. Do you have some special insight into NG's finances to know how much they need to sell to make a profit? If Herpa hasn't gone out of business with making a bunch of moulds they they hardly use (granted, mainly in 1:400), why would NG?

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Second: you did not get the point regarding the moulds being metioned above. It is pretty easy to make a model already being released not being a dublicate despite it is wearing the same livery - just give it a different registration.
Unless you're a fleet builder - that's essentially still a duplicate. How many times do model makers actually do this? Clearly not many unless it's for corporate orders.

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It is pretty common to replace a model with a more accurate when available btw.
For a lot of us here on this forum, you're probably right. But Sean's AA DC-10 just stated he doesn't want to, and I'd wager that the collectorate at large is more likely not to do so either.
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one model out of the 50 they've done in 1:200 so far which are CRJ and bizjets. OK.



Why do "we" need that? I mean...I don't want a model maker to go out of business because of bad business decisions, but ultimately that's not "our" problem. Do you have some special insight into NG's finances to know how much they need to sell to make a profit? If Herpa hasn't gone out of business with making a bunch of moulds they they hardly use (granted, mainly in 1:400), why would NG?
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"We" is the collectorate. Btw it was you saying we Need more variety. No I have no special insight at NG, I am just a frequent NG customer being impressed by their work and I would be happy to see they'll be doing something bigger in 1/200 than just a Gulfstream in 1/200.

Herpa generates their money with scale 1/500. Also they have mould sharing agreements with PCM (An-225 ), Limox and Hogan.
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Unless you're a fleet builder - that's essentially still a duplicate. How many times do model makers actually do this? Clearly not many unless it's for corporate orders.

For a lot of us here on this forum, you're probably right. But Sean's AA DC-10 just stated he doesn't want to, and I'd wager that the collectorate at large is more likely not to do so either.
You forget those who never bought any Inflight 727 or 737 hoping for another manufacturer releasing THEIR model. And once again for those who are not waiting for a specific model - the market is big enough for two manufacturers, three when you count Inflight in. the 727 offers hundreds of liveries of which at least 50% never will be released by GJ/JCW because their philosophy is different from NGs.
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one model out of the 50 they've done in 1:200 so far which are CRJ and bizjets. OK. .
I just meant they also are able to do bigger moulds in good quality not necessarily small ones.
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