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Old 06-03-2020, 02:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am struggling with leaving a neutral comment on eBay after buying a Herpa 1/200 Lufthansa Cargo MD-11 that arrived today. It specifically said in the description it was a diecast plane but I am partially blaming myself for not previously doing more research on Herpa models. The neutral comment, I guess, is because technically diecast is just a method of making a mold which can be metal, plastic and/or other materials according to the internet’s. I’ve mainly only collected Gemini200 Models and just recently picked up some Herpa 1:200 Horizon Air Dash 8 Q400’s and those seem to be metal. I guess I just think “diecast” was used in a misleading way. Any info or suggestions would be helpful. Thanks!
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As far as I know, all of their widebody aircraft models are plastic. The price will give you a good idea of what it's made of.
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The MD11 is a nice model. As above larger planes are plastic. largest diecast is the Boeing 707.
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I certainly would not leave neutral feedback. The use of the term "diecast plastic" is commonplace and Herpa models are still pretty nice. In fact, some of the molds like the 737 are among the best out there.
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Hmm Using the term 'die-cast' when writing a description for a plastic model is very misleading. I've never heard of 'die-cast plastic' and if it is the correct term used, it's certainly isn't common place.

That said I do have Herpa and Hogan models, and love them all. I personally think that Hogan's A300 mould can't be beaten. The Kuwait Airways A300-600 is one of the favourites in my collection. Herpa's A350 mould is also beautiful.

In answer to the thread titles question about are all Herpa's 1:200 'heavy' models palstic? The answer is no. I seem to recall at least two times when a JC Wings mould was used by either Herpa or Hogan for a Lufthansa Boeing 747-400, with some sort of special scheme(s). Not to mention their relatively recent Lufthansa A340-600 release. Therefore I can understand why there is ambiguity for the OP.

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Herpa used to have a online home page. I don't know what happened to it? They do still produce catalogues. K = plastic and M = diecast metal available in hobby shops. As mentioned above, I almost purchase a plastic Lufthansa 2016 747-8 Rio Olympic livery of ebay as it was advertised as diecast. It was not. Although the seller told me it was. While KLM4me correctly says the price is a good indicator and he is right in saying that. Truth is, the reseller may have not understood your question unfortunately and sometimes exchange rates can leave you confused. I think first point of reference is grab the product number and select google images as see what comes up. If in doubt ask a reputable Diecast hobby shop there's plenty, before you ask a ebay seller



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The MD11 is a nice model. As above larger planes are plastic. largest diecast is the Boeing 707.
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Herpa have borrowed JCW tooling more than once or to be more precise commissioned models and two come to mind the first being the Transaero Amur Tiger HE557917 (which is beautiful) and a model I have which is HE557313 Fanhansa




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Herpa used to have a online home page. I don't know what happened to it?
It's still there but isn't as easy to navigate as it once was. I also don't see an option for viewing in English. I used to be able to view it in English without having to use Google Translate.

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Old 06-03-2020, 01:17 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I maybe wrong (its been a long time since I was involved in the manufacturing and fabrication process) but I think that the sellers/manufacturers of plastic models should refer to them as an injection molded models (which I believe is still an accurate description for todays solid plastic models) and diecast for models of predominantly metal content that are actually produced on/in a molding "die" designed for metal castings.

P.S. Oh and that is a beautiful LH FANHANSA 747 you got there AussieJets!

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Interesting topic. Does anyone know if Herpa's Tu-160 is plastic or metal?
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Interesting topic. Does anyone know if Herpa's Tu-160 is plastic or metal?
Aviation Center Berlin says this model is metal.
Weight 630 g

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As Aussiejets said above, Herpa does have a few metal offerings. I also have the Lufthansa 747 that Aussiejets showed in his pictures, as well as the Lufthansa A340-600 with FC Beyern Munchen 2016 livery. Both excellent models in my opinion!!
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As Aussiejets said above, Herpa does have a few metal offerings. I also have the Lufthansa 747 that Aussiejets showed in his pictures, as well as the Lufthansa A340-600 with FC Beyern Munchen 2016 livery. Both excellent models in my opinion!!
I too have the Herpa metal die cast A346, and also a 744 with the standard 2000s livery. D-ABVP "Bremen".
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Aviation Center Berlin says this model is metal.
Weight 630 g

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Thanks Jean for the info Good to hear since I plan on adding one (or more) of these 1:200 Tupolevs.
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As far as I know, all of their widebody aircraft models are plastic. The price will give you a good idea of what it's made of.
It was $50 dollars but I thought it was a huge discount because the vertical stab was separated and needed to be glued onto the main fuselage. Live and learn I guess...
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The MD11 is a nice model. As above larger planes are plastic. largest diecast is the Boeing 707.
If in doubt ask the seller.
So true, I should’ve asked. Thanks for the info.
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I certainly would not leave neutral feedback. The use of the term "diecast plastic" is commonplace and Herpa models are still pretty nice. In fact, some of the molds like the 737 are among the best out there.
But it said “2005 Diecast Model” not diecast plastic. Another confusing thing was it said it still came with original plastic coverings if you choose to display it with gear retracted....but diecast metal planes also come with these plastic gear doors. I know it’s not that big of deal but it’s just frustrating when you’re expecting something and you receive something different. It’s still a nice model though I agree.
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Thank you all for the good info. It’s much appreciated!
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But it said “2005 Diecast Model” not diecast plastic. Another confusing thing was it said it still came with original plastic coverings if you choose to display it with gear retracted....but diecast metal planes also come with these plastic gear doors. I know it’s not that big of deal but it’s just frustrating when you’re expecting something and you receive something different. It’s still a nice model though I agree.
This seems to be a hogan release imo, herpa never released a md11 with gear up option as far as I know. Could it be a hogan model in a herpa box? Do you have pics? Is the Herpa logo on the belly? Does the registration match? Allthough herpa and hogan shared the same md11 mold for a while, the hogan models were allways cheaper.
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But it said “2005 Diecast Model” not diecast plastic. Another confusing thing was it said it still came with original plastic coverings if you choose to display it with gear retracted....but diecast metal planes also come with these plastic gear doors. I know it’s not that big of deal but it’s just frustrating when you’re expecting something and you receive something different. It’s still a nice model though I agree.
This seems to be a hogan release imo, herpa never released a md11 with gear up option as far as I know. Could it be a hogan model in a herpa box? Do you have pics? Is the Herpa logo on the belly? Does the registration match? Allthough herpa and hogan shared the same md11 mold for a while, the hogan models were allways cheaper.
Wow I feel stupid lol , So Herpa is on the belly BUT it’s gear is fixed and not removable. Reg matches (D-ALCA) And now that I re-read the description that said “original plastic covering parts”, which I assumed was the gear doors, really meant the thin clear plastic sheets that lay on top of the model to protect it while it’s in the box inside the foam mold. In my defense I have a 4 year old and a 1 year which allows me 2 seconds a day to look at my models. Lol there was extra plastic shoved into a crevice that I assumed were the gear doors but wasn’t. Sigh.....
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https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...go-md-11f.html

Did not GJ made a LH Cargo MD-11? the thread btw says Inflight!?!?
But IF never did an MD-11 mould.

Here is a list of Herpa (commercial) metal models:

ATR-42
ATR-72
Boeing 737-200
Boeing 747-400
Fokker 27
Vickers Viscount 700/800
Antonov 2
Antonov 24
Tupolev 144
Tupolev 154/B
Douglas DC-3
Douglas DC-4
Douglas DC-6
Douglas DC_9-30
Lockheed Constellation
Catalina PBY
Convair 340/440
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Also please note that on some die cast models (metal) the vertical fin and horizontal stabilizers are plastic to keep the CG ahead of the main landing gear.

Failing to do so, you have a tail sitter.

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https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...go-md-11f.html

Did not GJ made a LH Cargo MD-11? the thread btw says Inflight!?!?
But IF never did an MD-11 mould.

Here is a list of Herpa (commercial) metal models:

ATR-42
ATR-72
Boeing 737-200
Boeing 747-400
Fokker 27
Vickers Viscount 700/800
Antonov 2
Antonov 24
Tupolev 144
Tupolev 154/B
Douglas DC-3
Douglas DC-4
Douglas DC-6
Douglas DC_9-30
Lockheed Constellation
Catalina PBY
Convair 340/440
DHC-7
Fokker 70/100
Yakovlev 40
You can add the Boeing Guppy, it weighs a ton !

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You can add the Boeing Guppy, it weighs a ton !

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Thanks Jean Pierre, I forgot that one. I still remember them flying over our house off from XFW... good old times gone by.

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https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...go-md-11f.html

Did not GJ made a LH Cargo MD-11? the thread btw says Inflight!?!?
But IF never did an MD-11 mould.

Here is a list of Herpa (commercial) metal models:

ATR-42
ATR-72
Boeing 737-200
Boeing 747-400
Fokker 27
Vickers Viscount 700/800
Antonov 2
Antonov 24
Tupolev 144
Tupolev 154/B
Douglas DC-3
Douglas DC-4
Douglas DC-6
Douglas DC_9-30
Lockheed Constellation
Catalina PBY
Convair 340/440
DHC-7
Fokker 70/100
Yakovlev 40
The MD11 was a Gemini release indeed. Heard that Inflight tried to buy SMA's MD11 mold, but it sadly never happened.
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Just looking at my shelves, add:
Douglas DC-8
Boeing 707
Dornier 328
Saab 340

Constellation include L-1049 Super Constellation and L-1649 Starliner

And bear in mind most Boeing 747-400 were plastic.
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If anyone has the 1/200 Herpa NASA Super Guppy for sale please let me know...
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Just looking at my shelves, add:
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Dornier 328
Saab 340

Constellation include L-1049 Super Constellation and L-1649 Starliner

And bear in mind most Boeing 747-400 were plastic.
They had an early 744 which was made of plastic. But as Aussiejets stated they borrowed a 744 mould from JCW - also for the Transaero 744 Sib Tiger.

https://buchairshop.ch/WebRoot/Store...0/136284_0.jpg

Btw: the DC-9 also seems to be a JCW. Oh, how I wished they would get the JCW 722 mould.
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https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...go-md-11f.html

Did not GJ made a LH Cargo MD-11? the thread btw says Inflight!?!?
But IF never did an MD-11 mould.

Here is a list of Herpa (commercial) metal models:

ATR-42
ATR-72
Boeing 737-200
Boeing 747-400
Fokker 27
Vickers Viscount 700/800
Antonov 2
Antonov 24
Tupolev 144
Tupolev 154/B
Douglas DC-3
Douglas DC-4
Douglas DC-6
Douglas DC_9-30
Lockheed Constellation
Catalina PBY
Convair 340/440
DHC-7
Fokker 70/100
Yakovlev 40
Sorry, but one more to add to that list....the Airbus A340-600
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Gotta say though, my Herpa plastic KLM B744 Premium model is one of my favorites--bar none. You couldn't do some of the stuff it has with a metal model.
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Sorry, but one more to add to that list....the Airbus A340-600
But they also use a plastic 340-600...
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