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Old 05-21-2020, 05:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Is it a new release of Air France Concord by Hogan?

See it on Aviation Megastore NL website today. Just wonder whether this is a new release of F-BVFC or just re-release with improvements? The box say Hogan HG8911 (kinda old), but the model looks improved (with droop nose) and note that it has a new stand also.

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This Concorde is very nice and is a new mould.

Note the accurate position of the canard under the cockpit windows, the much better nose cone (Pitot tube) and the nicely detailed main landing gear.

I attach a picture of the original Hogan Concorde for comparison.
This is a very good model.

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I was wondering the same. It looks like a Gemini mould to me.
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I was wondering the same. It looks like a Gemini mould to me.

It is JCW/GJ tooling and if this how I have to order F-BVFC I will do so
after some more research, if I cant order it here

















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Looks very nice indeed. Sure it is JC's mold?
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Finally this model is listed as JC 8911, it is a JC Wings models.

... but without the visor and with simplified thrust reversers ?

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Finally this model is listed as JC 8911, it is a JC Wings models.

... but without the visor and with simplified thrust reversers ?

Jean Pierre.

Thank you JP for the product number to order and so I did. I can say that this newer metal display stand can display the Concord in nice level flight if you like gear up options like I do for Concord to show the beauty and inflight profile of grace and design masterpiece of the Concord aircraft, and the closest thing to a rocket for commercial travel.

It will come with a visor JP. What is doesn't come with is the APU exhaust (which never existed) and has been printed on all the JCW & GJ Concord's to date as seen here. I see JC have finally stopped printing it on. Great work JCW




And just a few pics of what to expect on this tooling if you want to buy.








New metal stand = nice level flight display mode





GJ Air France Concord came with this nice 1st style wooden stand for display in "climb" mode





A visor that can be removed offers different display options as does the movable droop nose and gear up or down options. Great model.


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Looking at the pictures of AMS is seems that they missed the antenna on the fuselage... can’t believe it 🙁
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Looking at the pictures of AMS is seems that they missed the antenna on the fuselage... can’t believe it ��



This is not a JCW wings release I have found out. It is a commissioned model, perhaps by Soitec and my apologies if I incorrectly spelt that I know I have. Therefor the commissioned model can come as cheaply as the commissioner wanted to pay for it. Thank you StillAir for pointing out No attenna top or bottom and thank you JP for pointing out no visor. Order cancelled. Not interested in half a model.
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Is it safe to assume that also the gear is (glued in) fixed also save cost on the gear up options beautiful feature of JCW/GJ tooling?
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Is it safe to assume that also the gear is (glued in) fixed also save cost on the gear up options beautiful feature of JCW/GJ tooling?
I'd assume so, noting the lower than usual cost of the model.
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I'd assume so, noting the lower than usual cost of the model.

Good call mate I thought so. I will wait or more GJ or JCW Concord's
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This is not a JCW wings release I have found out. It is a commissioned model, perhaps by Soitec and my apologies if I incorrectly spelt that I know I have. Therefor the commissioned model can come as cheaply as the commissioner wanted to pay for it. Thank you StillAir for pointing out No attenna top or bottom and thank you JP for pointing out no visor. Order cancelled. Not interested in half a model.
Much like the original Hogan releases then? Except that this one is more detailed.
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Two configuration with this nose.

< Nose 0, visor down for subsonic cruise.
< Nose 5, visor down for taxing and take off.
or Nose 12, visor down for landing.

Difficult to say from these pictures.

For better clarity about the manufacturer I sent an e mail to Aviation Megastore to know exactly who is behind this model which is not so bad, even if it does not have antennae.

Simply, we have to consider that because of its configuration the visor is retracted and "missing".
Not a great fan of moving parts at this scale ...

The nose looks better than the Hogan and even the JC wings, the Pitot tube looks fine not oversized.

More information is necessary before making a decision to buy.
E mail sent to Marcel (AMS).

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I received a very quick answer from Henk Timmers (Aviation Megastore).
"Do not worry, these are the JC Wings products and they are similar to JC Wings earlier models".

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I received a very quick answer from Henk Timmers (Aviation Megastore).
"Do not worry, these are the JC Wings products and they are similar to JC Wings earlier models".

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So is this JC wings concorde have gears up and down or only gears down?
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I received a very quick answer from Henk Timmers (Aviation Megastore).
"Do not worry, these are the JC Wings products and they are similar to JC Wings earlier models".

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Might be a licence issue between Air France "Concorde" branding and Gemini?
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I received a very quick answer from Henk Timmers (Aviation Megastore).
"Do not worry, these are the JC Wings products and they are similar to JC Wings earlier models".

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I can explain what that means. JCW has released only two models on their own Concorde tooling. XX2337 G-BOAD split livery BA Negus / SQ livery Concorde #102 and the second release was Air France Pepsi F-BTSD Concorde #101. That means is the gear is fixed like JCW only two Concorde releases. Both of these models came with visors and moveable nose, so I would say this model does too but JP may have to confirm the visor comes with a visor.


Below is the nose of GJAFR600 Air France F-BVFF

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I can explain what that means. JCW has released only two models on their own Concorde tooling. XX2337 G-BOAD split livery BA Negus / SQ livery Concorde #102 and the second release was Air France Pepsi F-BTSD Concorde #101. That means is the gear is fixed like JCW only two Concorde releases. Both of these models came with visors and moveable nose, so I would say this model does too but JP may have to confirm the visor comes with a visor.


Below is the nose of GJAFR600 Air France F-BVFF

Three JCW there was BOAC as well
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geminijet nose looks also movable? So I guess the geminijet one is the best one as it has both movable nose and removable landing gears?
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For something that slightly contradicts Aviation Mega Stores reply the first two JCW models and all of GJ Concorde's came with antennae top and bottom












Antennas are on the model



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I received a very quick answer from Henk Timmers (Aviation Megastore).
"Do not worry, these are the JC Wings products and they are similar to JC Wings earlier models".

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geminijet nose looks also movable? So I guess the geminijet one is the best one as it has both movable nose and removable landing gears?

JCW owns the tooling and a few people borrow it. Hope that helps
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JCW owns the tooling and a few people borrow it. Hope that helps
Lol... that's not exactly answerng my question.... I just want to know if geminijet one has both movable nose and removable gears so i can know which to get... don't really care who owns what moulds.
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I am tempted to say : Feel free to ask your own questions to AMS.
We have questions still unanswered.

AF gave recently mandate to SOCATEC to negotiate with the mainstream manufacturers the production of AF models.
The Concorde is not listed among the models available in the future and I don't imagine SOCATEC asking JC Wings to make an AF Model.

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Three JCW there was BOAC as well

product numbers please mate just In case I missed and need to hunt them down.
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I am tempted to say : Feel free to ask your own questions to AMS.
We have questions still unanswered.

AF gave recently mandate to SOCATEC to negotiate with the mainstream manufacturers the production of AF models.
The Concorde is not listed among the models available in the future and I don't imagine SOCATEC asking JC Wings to make an AF Model.

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Well they have. This model is not published on any JCW retailers release at all. It is an exclusive Commissioned model. It appeared and is in stock at AMS first I expect SOCATEC will follow and have taken your advise JP.


Keep working on them please JP. No skipping on visors or Antennas or anything else. Please JP I want the delivery colour and the revised barcode at the very minimum.
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Lol... that's not exactly answerng my question.... I just want to know if geminijet one has both movable nose and removable gears so i can know which to get... don't really care who owns what moulds.

Then I will answer your question only buy what you like
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Then I will answer your question only buy what you like
I want to get one that has 1. removable gears and movable nose second. But removable gears is top priority. Is the geminijet the one to get?
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product numbers please mate just In case I missed and need to hunt them down.

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I want to get one that has 1. removable gears and movable nose second. But removable gears is top priority. Is the geminijet the one to get?

All Gemini Jets releases have magnetic / removable gear up down options and come with visor & movable nose.


Jean Pierre is to be commended to get the "establishment = SOCATEC to get this first model done. Please JP keep working on them and with antennae and gear up. Great work on this first release though JP
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Ok yes I did know about that one. But that one was not for me. I do appreciate your reply Aviaction and also Jean Pierre's hard work getting Concorde's made in 1:200 scale. Looking forward to more, thank you guys.
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Just remember now that I have the JC wngs BOAC concorde all these years and forgot about it...lol...

It's a beauty! Just sad I don't have a concorde with real reg number so i am gonna have keep my eyes out for the gemini one now.

But yes, the JC wings XX2494 mould has a lot of features: movable nose with optional visor, removable gears, and adjustable engine nozzles.
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Looks very nice indeed

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It really sucks that now if you want one of these gemini or jcwings with all the features, be prepared to pay well over $200-300. ;(

I hope gemini or jc wings will rerelease them again. The hogan ones are nice but just don't have those features ;(
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I got this model today, so now I can confirm that this model is released under the brand: Lupa Aircraft Model BV (Holland/Europe) and probably exclusive to AMS (?). Some more points to mention here:

- The whole-metal model
- No antenna (above and below) fuselage
- No green / red signal light on wings
- Less detail painting (eg. the doors, engines)
- Fixed landing gear (very good detail), and comes with a stand (no on-air configuration though)
- Movable nose and a separate visor
- Configurable thrust reversers

Overall, not the best, but beautiful and very good shape model, I personally like it. So buy it if you like or wait for other releases in future, it is up to you.
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Many thanks for these valuable information that could trigger more interest in this model.

Could we have a picture nose 0° with the visor on the nose, supersonic cruise.

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Many thanks for these valuable information that could trigger more interest in this model.

Could we have a picture nose 0° with the visor on the nose, supersonic cruise.

Thanks.

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First two photos nose 0° with and without visor. The rest photos I took a little earlier today!
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I was waiting on a Gemini AFR re-release but suspect they may not be making one if this has been released.

Gemini are a bit slow on the uptake as no original AF scheme or BA Negus.


As long as the ******* nozzles have been changed then its one to get.
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I got this model today, so now I can confirm that this model is released under the brand: Lupa Aircraft Model BV (Holland/Europe) and probably exclusive to AMS (?). Some more points to mention here:

- The whole-metal model
- No antenna (above and below) fuselage
- No green / red signal light on wings
- Less detail painting (eg. the doors, engines)
- Fixed landing gear (very good detail), and comes with a stand (no on-air configuration though)
- Movable nose and a separate visor
- Configurable thrust reversers

Overall, not the best, but beautiful and very good shape model, I personally like it. So buy it if you like or wait for other releases in future, it is up to you.
Seems like it's the traditional jc wings mould used for the BOAC, without the removable landing gears or antenna? I guess they just want to do a cheap version instead? ;( this looks so good and it could have been perfect if they would have been willing to use the old mould. I think all of us would have been willing to pay $40+ more for everything. Shame on them....lol
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Sorry for late afternoon photos taken quickly with my mobile. Not quite sure why were attachments automatically downsized to very small.


First two photos nose 0° with and without visor. The rest photos I took a little earlier today!
Many thanks for these pictures.

One can have different tastes, to me this is a very decent model that I could consider to complement my Hogan and Historic models.

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Excuse my Concorde ignorance. But what is the "visor" and why would it be there or not there.
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Excuse my Concorde ignorance. But what is the "visor" and why would it be there or not there.
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Excuse my Concorde ignorance. But what is the "visor" and why would it be there or not there.
It's a good question.

The visor was there so as maintain the aerodynamic flow, when the nose was up/extended during supersonic flight. If you look at the pictures posted above, the cockpit windows are quite flat to the relative air flow.
They were designed like this so the pilots could have good visibility for flying the approach and landing. Having a visor that could slide in and out of position helped as a solution for both of those stages of flight.

Apologies if I didn't explain it well.
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Thanks Gents good explanations. Now I want one of these for my collection. 🛫😁
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Many thanks for these pictures.

One can have different tastes, to me this is a very decent model that I could consider to complement my Hogan and Historic models.

Jean Pierre.

Without any doubt this one should join your fleet JP. I could come to terms without antennae top and bottom, even some skimping on the extra printing details of the GJ or JCW releases. The landing gear is very nice on this tooling, but when it comes fixed, I am out. One thing for sure we can all assume, is probably F-BVFC wont be released by GJ or JCW. Still a very nice Concord
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I have to say that I had problems with the previous Gemini Concorde released some four years ago.

On the pictures that were available, the model was exhibiting a significant gap between the nose and the fuselage, even in the configuration nose 0°, visor up, supersonic cruise.
Same problem for nose 5°, visor removed and it was better to ignore the landing configuration.

I also heard negative comments about the engine nozzles which were moveable but very fragile, so fragile that it was better to touch nothing.
The kind of detail that brings more trouble than satisfaction.

My opinion is that Gemini went too far, moving parts at this scale can be risky, so I decided not to buy these models, I am still very happy with my non perfect Hogan and Historic models.

Now we have this Lupa model (still branded as a JC Wings model on the Aviation Megastore website).
Of course, it is less detailed, antennae, doors, navigation lights and some other details may be missing but with the nose at 0° or 5°, the model looks quite convincing with a gap between the nose and the fuselage quite acceptable.

Just my opinion, for these reasons, I will order this model.

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I got this model today, so now I can confirm that this model is released under the brand: Lupa Aircraft Model BV (Holland/Europe) and probably exclusive to AMS (?). Some more points to mention here:

- The whole-metal model
- No antenna (above and below) fuselage
- No green / red signal light on wings
- Less detail painting (eg. the doors, engines)
- Fixed landing gear (very good detail), and comes with a stand (no on-air configuration though)
- Movable nose and a separate visor
- Configurable thrust reversers

Overall, not the best, but beautiful and very good shape model, I personally like it. So buy it if you like or wait for other releases in future, it is up to you.
Does the nose only have these two positions on this model?
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Does the nose only have these two positions on this model?
I do not think you can move the nose more than those two positions. Otherwise we will see the big gap between the nose and fuselage as Jean Pierre mentioned.
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