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Old 04-27-2020, 07:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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An AF A 310 is available on the SOCATEC website

It is sold as a SOCATEC product, have a look at the passenger windows and the height of the emergency exit threshold over the wing.
It is a safe bet to say that this model is an Inflight product.

I am not satisfied and it is clear that we will never have a decent AF A 310, a Gemini model being highly unlikely.

I apologize for the quality of my pictures.
Have a look at their website, the model is on the first page.

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Old 04-27-2020, 08:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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This one will be hard to resist (at least for me) Jean Pierre. See my other thread with the B models LH A310. Yes the cheatline is too high, but i'm a too big fan of the smallest wide body ever produced. I'm asking myself many times if a modern neo version of the A310 would sell and I reccon it would...
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Old 04-27-2020, 08:56 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The fustrating thing is, it would only take a 2mm reduction in the window line ( and doors) to make this model half acceptable, it wouldn't be perfect, but it would be the best of a bad job in my opinion.
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Old 04-27-2020, 10:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Yeah, looks like they screwed the pooch on this one! Also the area near the horizontal stabs is way to light! After looking at it more the titles are not placed properly/right size! What a real piece!

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Old 04-27-2020, 01:32 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I feel bad for those like Jean Pierre who have been looking forward to an AF A310 release, only to be disappointed that an inferior mould is being used.
Hopefully for these people maybe Gemini have already or plans scheduled for its production. God only knows when the inflight release will hit the shelves.
This reminds me of a similar situation a long time ago where people were hoping that a company would not release an airline on their wish list, hoping the superior mould of a different company would be released.
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The bummer about the IF errors is that they were notified of them in time to correct subsequent releases.
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That is a big shame JP. Gemini200 do release AF models as you know, but not enough. You do have a platform with this subject model to work with. The fuselage, tail, wings, landing gear and engines all look good. Your decals applied at the right level and your skills will give you the correct model, but you shouldn't have to do all that when when we pay so much for a model it's frustrating and annoying. That said I look forward to your next challenge. Good luck
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Old 04-28-2020, 06:18 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I was thinking maybe the tooling was at fault with the wing too low but the pics do seem to show it's the window/door line too high up.
This has happened before. Surely a correction in the tampo printing could be done?

Being all white, removing the windows & doors should be possible and replace with decals if able. Something you shouldn't need to do.
Otherwise wait to see if Gemini/JC do one.

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Old 04-28-2020, 06:35 AM   #9 (permalink)
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The shape of the whole nose And cockpit is wrong.
So lowering the window printing Will not help.
But it Will sell nonetheless as there is no alternative.
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Old 04-28-2020, 06:45 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I did think IF had improved the nose after the first Pan Am release. It just looked better on the later releases.

Must be optical illusion or my eyes!
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Old 04-28-2020, 08:13 AM   #11 (permalink)
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They still aren't able to print the windowline on the correct level.Sorry.
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The shape of the whole nose And cockpit is wrong.
So lowering the window printing Will not help.
But it Will sell nonetheless as there is no alternative.
I think they could print the window line one millimeter or so lower, must be possible looking at the nose. See other thread with my LH 310.
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Old 04-28-2020, 12:46 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Imho it's not only the nose. the windowline sits slightly below the cockpit on the actual aircraft. While on the model it is on the same height.
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Well—it IS better than the HM one. I'll let the eye of the beholder determine how much.
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The bummer about the IF errors is that they were notified of them in time to correct subsequent releases.
They don't seem to care. I sent them tonnes of reference to make one of their past efforts accurate, and it was met with 'in production next week'.

Well, I ended up passing. Frankly, I've decided to pass on all of their stuff given all their haste induced gaffs.
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Old 04-29-2020, 04:47 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Long e mail sent to SOCATEC ...

There will be no change with a magic wand, I simply wanted to say that they need to be more selective when it comes to choosing a manufacturer.

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At least you fired off an email JP so that their aware of the issue.
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Old 04-29-2020, 08:36 AM   #18 (permalink)
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The KLM A310 has the same problem with the windowline.

Is it my imagination, or does the Swissair A310 release from Inflight look fine?
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At least you fired off an email JP so that their aware of the issue.
I have also submitted a wish list with the best manufacturers to make the different models.
Not sure I will be listened to.

There is always a big gap between those who think they know and those who know.

The motivation is not the same, some want to make money from their business others want to make the best use from their hard-earned money and buy quality models.

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Imho it's not only the nose. the windowline sits slightly below the cockpit on the actual aircraft. While on the model it is on the same height.
So it should be a fixable problem then.. hope the improve it. We seen numerous molds being improved over the years so don't loose hope.
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Old 04-29-2020, 03:53 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I must admit... I don't see that much of a difference between the LH A310 and the AF A310 just released. Both are featuring the too-high windshield and cabin windows, but the promotional photos above make the AF A310 look not as bad as it probably looks like when you see it in person.

It is unfortunate that IF does not make the little step and just lowers the printing pattern by maybe 2mm in order to make it right. It's a waste - for the moment.
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Old 05-02-2020, 12:50 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Thanks for the heads-up on the AF A310!

125 pieces left in stock at Socatec.

Great idea to explain to Socatec which manufacturer could do the best version of each type of aircraft.

It also seems that there's sth wrong with the "closed/covered by metal" windows on the IF AF A310 F-GEMQ.

2 covered windows are missing behind door no. 2 on the starboard side (real world photos of F-GEMQ taken in 2001):

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-...0-304/209719/L


https://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-...0-304/104175/L

On another photo of F-GEMQ from 1990, the windows are different yet again:

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/5858993

I don't know which year they added the Skyteam logo, but it's missing on the IF AF A310, compared to the photos from 2001.

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Skyteam was created in June 2000 and the F-GEMQ left the airline in January 2002.

Skyteam creation was very important and the airlines involved were very proud to display the new logo on their aircraft.
We can think that AF had enough time to apply this logo on its aircraft.

It is essential to work with photos, preferably showing the two sides of the aircraft at the same time, because the two sides are not necessarily the same and symmetrical.

On the picture I published you see something different, another livery, certainly a different cabin layout, hence the windows ...

This model is very tempting but I can't buy it, I'll pass, not the first time it happens.

I received an answer from SOCATEC, I was thanked for my constructive comments.
I also suggested that all the models should be validated by good people before being dispatched to the retailers.

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Skyteam was created in June 2000 and the F-GEMQ left the airline in January 2002.

Skyteam creation was very important and the airlines involved were very proud to display the new logo on their aircraft.
We can think that AF had enough time to apply this logo on its aircraft.

It is essential to work with photos, preferably showing the two sides of the aircraft at the same time, because the two sides are not necessarily the same and symmetrical.

On the picture I published you see something different, another livery, certainly a different cabin layout, hence the windows ...

This model is very tempting but I can't buy it, I'll pass, not the first time it happens.

I received an answer from SOCATEC, I was thanked for my constructive comments.
I also suggested that all the models should be validated by good people before being dispatched to the retailers.

Jean Pierre.

Thanks for the Skyteam info!

That's great they listened, they'll be selling even more, too, when the models are more accurate.

Have a nice weekend!
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