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Gemini does have some great moulds….why don't they use them? For what purpose they got developed when they rot in their cellar or that of JCW (mould sharing agreement ?

732, 733, 734, 735, HS-748, MD-87 for example...

And why does GJ200 release 727s which have been released by Inflight previously but when it come to different airlines from other continents people say - "oh, didn't you notice….it has already been done by IF200" - what a poor statement, considering the facts that the 727 sold worldwide and the Inflight mould is far from being the best representaion of the type in 1/200. What people seem to forget is that Boeing wouldn't be the company like they are when there wouldn't have been planes like the 727 and the early 737s. So imho these moulds definately deserve more credit by GJ.

Only two liveries in the GJ200 lineup wearing a non N-registration - Pretty sad for a plane which offers such a variety of hybrids and standard liveris, even the amount of releases as a whole is weak measured by the years the GJ200 727 already is around. Ok forget the hybrids, as GJ isn't the company for hybrids - even sticking with the standard liveries yo gt a vast amount of liveries. Please, GJ start looking over the edge of your plate!

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All in good time, I assume.

But you are correct, as I too think GJ200 does have the nicest mould for the 727. That AA one on offer now is really tempting me a lot.
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Whoa, 150+ people without an opinion - or at least thinking "what you write might be true, but joining this thread does not change anything."
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Whoa, 150+ people without an opinion - or at least thinking "what you write might be true, but joining this thread does not change anything."

We are now in 2020, perhaps the 150+ people think that the best platform for your open letter would be better placed on Geminijets200 Facebook page which is read an managed by them. Just a suggestion.
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We are now in 2020, perhaps the 150+ people think that the best platform for your open letter would be better placed on Geminijets200 Facebook page which is read an managed by them. Just a suggestion.
Sure you're right on one hand, but i would have expected a Little more participation here to get a feeling if i'm on the right track.
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In my view, GJ seems to release stock standard North American and Western European carriers and aircraft that they know will sell because the person buying it has flown on it. Like a United 777 or Lufthansa A321 for example.

Then, once in a while there is a retro release to cater to people like me (waiting patiently for the KLM MD11 in 90s livery).

On a side note however, I'd like to know who buys the constant releases of variations of the Emirates A380/777.
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On a side note however, I'd like to know who buys the constant releases of variations of the Emirates A380/777.
Emirates corporate orders.....the allowed overrun is offered to the public.
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I like my "1,000th" Emirates 777. Only Emirates I have. Was thinking about adding one of the "wildlife" 380s.

I bought both the Delta 763 Widget and the AA 727 "Astrojet". Both nice releases...polished finish seems improved over some past releases.

I collect mainly 60 to 80s time frame, but add newer ones I like or flew on. I guess for those not getting what they want can be patient as suggested above or get a donor model and find someone to make a custom.

...and upkeep, don't sit on the fence too long as this one will probably sell out pretty fast! I got one to go along with my IF200 721 "Astrojet" with the orange nose!

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All in good time, I assume. :
Keep on assuming, but I've been collecting GJ200's since the day they came out, I was a young buck in his 20's back then, now I am a balding middle age man, I fear I may be an old man before I get what I want. Spending a lifetime pining for a particular model from a manufacturer of choice is not what I had in mind!
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Keep on assuming, but I've been collecting GJ200's since the day they came out, I was a young buck in his 20's back then, now I am a balding middle age man, I fear I may be an old man before I get what I want. Spending a lifetime pining for a particular model from a manufacturer of choice is not what I had in mind!
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Just to give an example - who does not know BAs Landor scheme? And whoever likes the scheme would NOT buy a Landor 733/734?!?!
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The 1000th 777 built, is also the Emirates I have. Gift from my wife.
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In my view, GJ seems to release stock standard North American and Western European carriers and aircraft that they know will sell because the person buying it has flown on it. Like a United 777 or Lufthansa A321 for example.
If GJ really has got the "i've flown on that particular plane" type of collector as target audience aswell, how can they be so arrogant and constantly ignore the generation 40plus of collectors across the pond? I like all kinds of aircraft, old and new, but how can one assume, that people in Europe only fly Lufthansa, AF or KLM when it comes to retro birds? Leaving the YU- stuff aside there is much more than just a handful of major carriers. What about Alitalia, Scandinavian, Sabena, Icelandair, Austrian, Luxair, Condor, Hapag-Lloyd, Turkish Airlines, BA Negus, BA Landor (and i am not talking about 747s), British Midland, Finnair, Aviaco, Aero Lloyd ….

You cannot tell me, that there wouldn't be sufficient demand for a standard airframe (which mould already exists) wearing one of the airline liveries i mentioned above.
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In 1/400 world I´m asking myself why they are still using their old 777 mould??? I´d buy almost all of their actual 777 releases... but with that mould? No.
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If GJ really has got the "i've flown on that particular plane" type of collector as target audience aswell, how can they be so arrogant and constantly ignore the generation 40plus of collectors across the pond? I like all kinds of aircraft, old and new, but how can one assume, that people in Europe only fly Lufthansa, AF or KLM when it comes to retro birds? Leaving the YU- stuff aside there is much more than just a handful of major carriers. What about Alitalia, Scandinavian, Sabena, Icelandair, Austrian, Luxair, Condor, Hapag-Lloyd, Turkish Airlines, BA Negus, BA Landor (and i am not talking about 747s), British Midland, Finnair, Aviaco, Aero Lloyd ….

You cannot tell me, that there wouldn't be sufficient demand for a standard airframe (which mould already exists) wearing one of the airline liveries i mentioned above.

I still don't see any attempt at all for your open letter on their Gemini Jets Facebook page. What's the delay? Everything is worth a try. I truly believe you will have better success there and give it a try. You have valid points, IMHO you should have a go and give it a try.
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Emirates corporate orders.....the allowed overrun is offered to the public.
Well-known policy of earlier times, Schabak was the biggest airline-contracted manufacturer of scale models back in the 1980’s. They wouldn’t release any new model - and of course no new mould - without big contracts from the airlines in order to cover costs.
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They are located in Vegas...so why not take a gamble and release something different!

Would like to see a TWA 777-300 World Colors and Continental DC-9 Golden Jet!
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If GJ really has got the "i've flown on that particular plane" type of collector as target audience aswell, how can they be so arrogant and constantly ignore the generation 40plus of collectors across the pond? I like all kinds of aircraft, old and new, but how can one assume, that people in Europe only fly Lufthansa, AF or KLM when it comes to retro birds? Leaving the YU- stuff aside there is much more than just a handful of major carriers. What about Alitalia, Scandinavian, Sabena, Icelandair, Austrian, Luxair, Condor, Hapag-Lloyd, Turkish Airlines, BA Negus, BA Landor (and i am not talking about 747s), British Midland, Finnair, Aviaco, Aero Lloyd ….

You cannot tell me, that there wouldn't be sufficient demand for a standard airframe (which mould already exists) wearing one of the airline liveries i mentioned above.
Arrogant???? Has anyone from Gemini given you a wise a** answer?? Sadly your selection criteria would fail..In order to survive today based on the units needed to break even, Gemini could never sell enough 1977 Luxair models at the minimum order required to make a profit. Understand the demographics of today's collector has changed. Airline orders and the current stuff is what sells and pays the bills. case closed..The smaller niche manufacturers possibly can do it as their production runs are smaller.
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Arrogant???? Has anyone from Gemini given you a wise a** answer?? Sadly your selection criteria would fail..In order to survive today based on the units needed to break even, Gemini could never sell enough 1977 Luxair models at the minimum order required to make a profit. Understand the demographics of today's collector has changed. Airline orders and the current stuff is what sells and pays the bills. case closed..The smaller niche manufacturers possibly can do it as their production runs are smaller.
Agree with you here. At the end of the day diecast manufacturers need to turn a profit and obscure airlines are highly unlikely to be sold (yes, airlines like Luxair are obscure with the likes of American, KLM, Lufthansa, United, Qantas).
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Arrogant???? Has anyone from Gemini given you a wise a** answer?? Sadly your selection criteria would fail..In order to survive today based on the units needed to break even, Gemini could never sell enough 1977 Luxair models at the minimum order required to make a profit. Understand the demographics of today's collector has changed. Airline orders and the current stuff is what sells and pays the bills. case closed..The smaller niche manufacturers possibly can do it as their production runs are smaller.
Ok, there is one word which mind have sounded provoking to you…. but apart from that: enlighten me - does Inflight have a different philosophy regarding their model range? Or do they simply not need to break even. Ps: i remember a thread here dealing with the difference between developing a mould and a livery. Once again: a blank 744 is sold for 100EUR at ….

https://www.aviationmegastore.com/b7...nfo&art=137024

A Standard 747 is sold for 130EUR - so the difference is 30EUR. So the manufacturer has to close a gap of 30EUR of investment, right?

https://www.aviationmegastore.com/bo...nfo&art=160202

Btw, GJ does have a mould sharing agreemnet running (see CS-300 as the last example) with Herpa and JCW - do you honestly believe that there wouldn't be a possibility to release - in your words "obscure" liveries - under another brands name? Apart from that, what might be "obscure" for you is pretty ussual for a European, and vice versa….

You call these "obscure":Alitalia, Scandinavian, Icelandair, Turkish Airlines, BA Negus, BA Landor, British Midland, Finnair …?!?
Believe me, there have been more "obscure" liveris in the past two years.
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Understand the demographics of today's collector has changed. Airline orders and the current stuff is what sells and pays the bills. case closed..The smaller niche manufacturers possibly can do it as their production runs are smaller.
So the demographic change is the reason for GJ very limited lineup of airlines/Aircraft variety?!? ...because they assume all youngsters do collect diecast airplane models.

According to your understanding GJ is the company for the hipster generation and Inflight the one for the old and forgotten.

But in case you still did not notice: IF200 jumped on the "contemporay tain" aswell by releasing the 330/340, 787s And they use their moulds! unlike GJ does with the their 727s and 737s or DC-9s.

You sometimes got the feeling, that GJ missed the sign of times. They still sit on their old 1/400 77W mould while JCW develops their own which is more accurate, especially when it comes to the engines. Even more striking is NG as a new manufacturer, of whom some here might have thought "oh, another One-Hit-Wonder. But thes are still around, and they're doing some amazing stuff. And guess what: the release retro models! 1/400, ok, but maybe they start releasing retros in 1/200 aswell. So what is the conclusion: GJ has to rethink their philosophy "For collectors by collectors" They have to face, that there is more than just a bunch of people buying the latest airline which original just surfaced on A.net. And stop releasing the same Airlines/aircraft over and over again!
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If not mistaken, Gemini does not use the phrase "For collectors by collectors" any longer.

I have to say I have added the following retros over the last month or so:

G200 Delta 763 Widget and American 727-200 "Astrojet"

NG CRJ United Battleship and Delta Connection Comair-both flown on

AC200 JAL DC-8-61

So a pretty good spread across the Mfgs.

I'll say it again...if you don't find that model you want and are tired of waiting have a CUSTOM made!
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I'll say it again...if you don't find that model you want and are tired of waiting have a CUSTOM made!
This is about a companies philosophy dealing with the collectors/customers (or potential customers) preferences/inquiries or market strategies (which is not really a strategy really at the moment imho), not a my sole preference of collecting. Btw i am convinced there are more here who think the same way, but on the other hand think "talking about it won't change anything". IF200 is a good example for what can be sold to the retro collectorate. According to Crownvic's logic Inflight as a company would not exist anymore when retro wouldn't sell.
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Gemini is doing whats safe and what makes them money, cant blame them for it. There are and will be other manufacturers who fill the demand from seasoned collectors, and as we continue to support those manufacturers their offerings will increase. If you want to influence what gets released, continue to buy what you like and don't settle for what you don't like.
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Well said and why I suspect many collectors have examples produced by different manufacturers in their collections!
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I'll say it again...if you don't find that model you want and are tired of waiting have a CUSTOM made!
A custom? With a blank model by JCW? Do not misunderstand me: it might be a good option when you want to put, lets say the new BA livery on a 727 mould. But as soon you want to have cheatlines on the model it's getting difficult because JCs blank models have printed windowlines and Cockpits.
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Well said and why I suspect many collectors have examples produced by different manufacturers in their collections!
Herpa released a Swiss CS-300 first, then JC a announced Epytair CS-300 and then GJ released a Air Canada CS-300.

Three manufacturers ONE mould. If that was your question.
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No question on my part...just statements. As for the blank, printed window, cheatline comments regarding a custom being made, all elements a good modeler can't overcome!

...and if your point about mfgs using the same mould, then the thread should be changed to be an open word including other mfgs. and not just Gemini Jets!

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European Collector: I appreciate you and the few others looking to jump start Gemini Jets with European liveries from the 70's 80's and 90's..But I can assure you they are doing just fine.

Let me explain the difference between Gemini and Inflight, NG, JC and anyone else.

Gemini Jets is a US based company operating under the name ADI. They own a large warehouse, have a large worldwide distribution network and employ a half dozen employees. They pay tons of state taxes, payroll taxes, health benefits and to top it all off they pay licensing and airline royalties thru fees. They support the community of Las Vegas with charitable events, I can go on and on but I think you get it. No other DIECAST manufacturer in your little select group can claim or match any of that.

Yes, Gemini started out as catering to the collector and today still does as best as possible but I'll be the first to admit its not the top priority. In order to keep this business going it requires higher minimum orders, airline orders as the popular stuff of today is what sells.


We know you have a love of European Airlines of "back in the day".
If you are so confident that they would sell, why don't you contact Inflight models who does survive very nicely on lower production runs, fund the money for the artwork and then reap the rewards. I think most would agree here, that trying to run a multi million dollar business wont work selling JAT or TAP 727's from the 70's.. It isn't going to pay the bills. There is a well known 400 scale model group taking the small niche collector market by storm. They have done a great job in catering to this collector market, however there is still lots of unsold inventory where they rushed to judgment to satisfy some outlandish requests.

I close this case...
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Good points Crownvic...Doesn't Inflight do runs for someone with regard to Latin Classics? JFOX also does some niche runs in small numbers!?
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European Collector: I appreciate you and the few others looking to jump start Gemini Jets with European liveries from the 70's 80's and 90's..But I can assure you they are doing just fine.

Let me explain the difference between Gemini and Inflight, NG, JC and anyone else.

Gemini Jets is a US based company operating under the name ADI. They own a large warehouse, have a large worldwide distribution network and employ a half dozen employees. They pay tons of state taxes, payroll taxes, health benefits and to top it all off they pay licensing and airline royalties thru fees. They support the community of Las Vegas with charitable events, I can go on and on but I think you get it. No other DIECAST manufacturer in your little select group can claim or match any of that.

Yes, Gemini started out as catering to the collector and today still does as best as possible but I'll be the first to admit its not the top priority. In order to keep this business going it requires higher minimum orders, airline orders as the popular stuff of today is what sells.


We know you have a love of European Airlines of "back in the day".
If you are so confident that they would sell, why don't you contact Inflight models who does survive very nicely on lower production runs, fund the money for the artwork and then reap the rewards. I think most would agree here, that trying to run a multi million dollar business wont work selling JAT or TAP 727's from the 70's.. It isn't going to pay the bills. There is a well known 400 scale model group taking the small niche collector market by storm. They have done a great job in catering to this collector market, however there is still lots of unsold inventory where they rushed to judgment to satisfy some outlandish requests.

I close this case...
Thank you Crownvic for making things more transparent.

But though: what's about the issue of handing out mould liscneses to other manufacturers. Wouldn't that be a an option? Herpa once released a Playboy Dc-9-30 and is about to release a Garuda on the same mould . which seems to be a JC/GJ200 mould. Couldn't GJ hand out the liscense for the 727 to Herpa. Surprisingly the 727-200 was called "Europa-Jet" (aka Europe-Jet) in the Lufthansa fleet. Allowing Herpa to use GJ200s 727 would be a real big stunt. Aside the thing about liscensing a mould does only make sense, when the liscense is not limited to a certain amount of months or years.

Even better would be Gemini handing out the 727 liscense to Inflight….in case they would want them. You can be sure (having their current livery variety in mind) that i'll wholeheartly be convert to a frequent Inflight shopper. Same would go for the DC-9 and the 737.
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Agree with you here. At the end of the day diecast manufacturers need to turn a profit and obscure airlines are highly unlikely to be sold (yes, airlines like Luxair are obscure with the likes of American, KLM, Lufthansa, United, Qantas).
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No question on my part...just statements. As for the blank, printed window, cheatline comments regarding a custom being made, all elements a good modeler can't overcome!

...and if your point about mfgs using the same mould, then the thread should be changed to be an open word including other mfgs. and not just Gemini Jets!
Pardon my ignorance, but what is mfgs?
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Manufacturer's I believe.
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Gemini Jets is a multi million dollar business that employs only 6 people.
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I don't fret to much about my Holy Grail not being produced yet. We all know that Emirates has been well represented. Clearly, ordered by the airline itself. A certain amount to be sold outside the airline as stated. Hawaiian has also been produced often. That's OK by me, as they are probably my favourite. Even still, I don't buy all of them. Likely each month, a collector is saying "It's about time" for at least one of the announcements. Patience.
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Thank you EC and CV for the informative, passionate convo. I’m really enjoying reading an honest assessment from your unique perspectives. It’s good stuff.
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European Collector: I appreciate you and the few others looking to jump start Gemini Jets with European liveries from the 70's 80's and 90's..But I can assure you they are doing just fine.

Let me explain the difference between Gemini and Inflight, NG, JC and anyone else.

Gemini Jets is a US based company operating under the name ADI. They own a large warehouse, have a large worldwide distribution network and employ a half dozen employees. They pay tons of state taxes, payroll taxes, health benefits and to top it all off they pay licensing and airline royalties thru fees. They support the community of Las Vegas with charitable events, I can go on and on but I think you get it. No other DIECAST manufacturer in your little select group can claim or match any of that.

Yes, Gemini started out as catering to the collector and today still does as best as possible but I'll be the first to admit its not the top priority. In order to keep this business going it requires higher minimum orders, airline orders as the popular stuff of today is what sells.


We know you have a love of European Airlines of "back in the day".
If you are so confident that they would sell, why don't you contact Inflight models who does survive very nicely on lower production runs, fund the money for the artwork and then reap the rewards. I think most would agree here, that trying to run a multi million dollar business wont work selling JAT or TAP 727's from the 70's.. It isn't going to pay the bills. There is a well known 400 scale model group taking the small niche collector market by storm. They have done a great job in catering to this collector market, however there is still lots of unsold inventory where they rushed to judgment to satisfy some outlandish requests.

I close this case...

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Thank you EC and CV for the informative, passionate convo. I’m really enjoying reading an honest assessment from your unique perspectives. It’s good stuff.
Same here! And happy that it finally didn't end in the typical "I'm right - you're wrong" bullsh*t. Thanks to you two.

As I said before, any collector familiar with the scale model market for the past 40 years knows that airline and other corporate contracts can save lives. If we are talking about GeminiJets as a multi-million Dollar enterprise, I would skip the phrase "Made by collectors for collectors" at first. Then, it is only fair to admit that it is their decision what they do. Having big runs of model production (i.e. airline and other corporate orders) are not only "paying the bills" of course, those are also filling the wallets of the company's owners. May be, CV, you can also disclose if all the models released without an airline contract are losing deals for your brother's company. If not, what's the mark for a success/non-success. I mean, most of Gemini's models are tagged 'sold out' which means Gemini has delivered the whole production run to wholesale and specialised retail shops = earned money without any remainders in the warehouse. In essence, all of these are losing deals or all of these are winners - with an unknown amount when it comes down to business revenue, of course.
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Keep on assuming, but I've been collecting GJ200's since the day they came out, I was a young buck in his 20's back then, now I am a balding middle age man, I fear I may be an old man before I get what I want. Spending a lifetime pining for a particular model from a manufacturer of choice is not what I had in mind!
I'm now that old man. Yeah, it's not ideal, but these diecast makers have a mind of their own. In consolation, I've waited eons for some of mine. The ultimate insult to injury is when there is a major caulk-up that could have been avoided. I've suffered that too. Moral of the story: Don't get too caught up in this stuff. Get a real hobby you have more control over.

*None of my points here refer to Gemini—just the other guys doing those smaller runs.*
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Interesting stuff about gemini and manufacturing model planes in general.I do understand the big emirates orders and so on brining in the money. I am very happy with all the gemini models I own and think they release enough great models, also older liveries. Am over the moon with the announced KLM MD11, did not think to ever see this being announced! KLM them selves wouldn't order these I reccon.
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