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Old 12-21-2019, 02:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This aircraft is now a bit too old to be of great interest but at the beginning of jet age, the Caravelle was an inspiration to many engineers, in the 60s the European airports were full of Caravelles.

This aircraft just like the Comets and early B 707s cannot be ignored and deserves a better attention from our manufacturers.

With minor modifications, a Hogan AF Caravelle has become an air charter international aircraft.
Air charter international was created in 1969 and was the charter arm of Air France.
Cockpit windows and the rear of the blue cheat lines were modified to look more accurate.

With such a minimal change to the livery we cannot have a fantastic model and I apologize if this thread is of little interest, simply these ACI Caravelles were part of my life fifty years ago and I wanted to have one in my cabinet.

The change to the cockpit windows is more interesting than the livery and some of you might be tempted by this modification.

Please Inflight, take note : Printing the "coroguard" or walkway on the wing fences of your models is inappropriate ... a little change in your production process for a better model ...

I attach pictures showing my Caravelles.
In the foreground, Western Models (thank you Jay), just behind a forgotten Heathrow Models and on a separate picture the three Hogan products.

The two AF Hogan Caravelles are similar but the RB had a MTOW of 46 t while the TE was allowed to 48 t, technically speaking, the two aircraft are different.

The "yellow thing" you can see below the ACI Caravelle is almost 40 years old, it is a Wooster or PPC A 310, it will be replaced by a die cast model when available.

Th F-BJTG shown just before the touch down on the last picture has the latest livery with a light gray fuselage instead of bare aluminium, very nice.

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Old 12-21-2019, 06:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow! Super mod, Jean Pierre, and what an astounding collection, even if what is visible is just the tip of the iceberg!!

I don't hold much hope of IF doing a decent job with the AF Caravelle when the time comes. I expect to be holding onto my Hogan one for a very long time. Aside from the windscreen, it IS a very sharp looking model.

By the way: Your photos now have excellent resolution that reveal the little "yellow thing" is quite a crisp looking model, even if it is 40 years old. I'd say it's worth holding on to.
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Back when I was very young I got to fly on an Air France Caravelle, so when Hogan released one I had to jump on it.
Now that I am a bit more discerning the windshield really bothers me. So I purchased a set of resized AF decals from F-dcal to do the modification, but not sure how to make it look as good as yours. Do I remove the painted on one first or just apply the decal over the old one? A brief summary would be appreciated if you have time.

Your customs are always such a pleasure to see along with the brief history you provide. Excellent comme toujours capitaine!
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Lovely Model JP. Fleet Collectors like your good self are to be admired, respected and their voices heard. Every time. Yes Vector1
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Nice work Jean Pierre. As always

As I tend to collect propliners, the Caravelle is modern to me!

Had to smile on seeing your collection pics, snap!

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Very, very nice Jean Pierre. You already know of my great fondness for the Caravelle!

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... Do I remove the painted on one first or just apply the decal over the old one? A brief summary would be appreciated if you have time ...
Thank you for your comments about this venerable Lady.

It is true that the cockpit windows were wrong.
I personally know the Socatec team, when the model was released I expressed my concern but nothing was made, three batches of Caravelles were produced, no change at all.

If I remember well, I used the cockpit windows of a Comet made by F-RSIN which were rescaled in 1/200 scale.

On the real aircraft, the noses are exactly the same, it is not always the same on the models.

I suggest to make a copy of your decal on an ordinary piece of paper and you check if the cockpit windows are compatible with the Hogan model.
I attach a picture of the real thing to show what it should look like.

I have tried to apply the decals directly on the tampo printing, bad result, you see the tampo printing through the decal.

On the real aircraft the cockpit window frames were unpainted, bare aluminium.
Silver cannot be reproduced on decals, it becomes gray but it can be acceptable for what we want to do.

I painted a piece of plastic with Tamiya AS 12 Bare Metal Silver and applied the decal on it.
Then, with my printer, I made a copy of this on a clear decal and I got the final decal with "unpainted window frames".

Now, you just have to apply with a brush LIQUID DECAL FILM from Microscale doing that you create a film on your decal and it will be ready for use.

If you are satisfied with your decal and only if you are satisfied, with a very fine brush and non acetone nail polish remover, you get rid of the old cockpit.
Proceed very slowly with small amount of product, you wipe between each application with something like a Kleenex.
Be careful, by capillarity action, the product can reach the blue cheat line, do not apply a wet Kleenex on it.

The rest is very classic, MICRO SET, MICRO SOL and a clear coat, I use Gloss TOPCOAT from Mr HOBBY.

One more thing :
In my opinion, F-DCAL decals are a bit too thick, you may have problems for application on a complex curved surface (forward fuselage), and this, even if you use the Microscale products.
Making a copy on a thinner clear decal is what I suggest.

Jean Pierre.
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Great info and models, Jean Pierre! Always enjoying your input.

That “yellow thing” should be an IMC Holland release, by the way.
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I was lucky to fly on Air France, Swissair, Alitalia, and Finnair Caravelles. So had to snatch up the Hogans as well.

Wish I had your talents JP. Nice work on yours.
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Thank you for all of your advice on improving the windscreen appearance Jean Pierre.
My only talent is knowing I am untalented in model making. but I will give it a try when I have finished some other projects

Merci beaucoup.
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Great custom, Jean Pierre. That is the definate better Caravelle mould.
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Another modeling master class from Jean Pierre...
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Beautiful Air France collection Jean Pierre, would love to see more of it!
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Thank you my friends, nothing exceptional in this model but the mould is very nice.

Taking pictures of my models in the cabinet is not easy.

There is a mirror at the back and you see through the shelves the models that are just below, everything looks very messy, in fact it is not, even if the cabinet is very crowded.

I will take all my models out of the cabinet, that will be more comfortable.

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I know very well how glare (and light reflections ) alter everything on glass cabinets while you are trying to take photo's of subjects in a cabinet. In your own time to share when you are able to, thank's mate
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