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Old 07-04-2019, 06:48 PM   #1
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I wonder why there is such minor interest in this type of aircraft....Can we have some replicas in 1/200 and/or 1/400 please...
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I think there will be more interest when they actually start flying in commercial service. I think British Airways isn’t getting theirs until 2023-2024 or so, it’s a ways off. I hope AA eventually considers the type as an eventual 777-300 replacement.
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LH will get theirs 2020 if not delayed, then EK will follow.
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The folding wingtips are going to be an interesting feature. Might be a challenging part for manufacturers. They could just make them with wingtips unfolded, rather than trying to make them raise and lower.

When we first got the 777-300 at AA six years ago, I was surprised at how low we were flying, compared to the original 777-200, when crossing the Atlantic. Usually in the 32,000-34,000 foot range. The 200 would fly around 35,000-39,000 feet. The pilots told me that the 300 can’t fly as high as the 200 with a full load, because the wings were too short and couldn’t provide the lift. As the flight progresses and fuel burns off, the aircraft becomes lighter and can climb to higher altitudes, if needed, to avoid turbulence.

Apparently, the airlines were offered folding wingtips as a feature on the 300 in Boeing’s initial proposal. None of the airlines wanted it because of the complexities involved, so the 300 just has the raked wingtips. Now they’ve gone along with the idea, on the -9.
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I think there will be more interest when they actually start flying in commercial service.

Bingo!

Afterall, we still haven't gotten any A330 NEOs in 1/200, and they are def. in commercial service.
The future of now even the 777X is in doubt, given Boeing's MAX problems and the market not really needing equipment of this size. I am afraid that in 20 years, anything larger than a 787-10 or A350-1000 NEO would be a hard sell.
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he pilots told me that the 300 can’t fly as high as the 200 with a full load, because the wings were too short and couldn’t provide the lift.

Fascinating if true.

Compare to A350 and 787 that are notable to reaching more optimal cruising altitude much earlier in their flight.
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Fascinating if true.

Compare to A350 and 787 that are notable to reaching more optimal cruising altitude much earlier in their flight.
It’s true. But what helps the 300 is that fuel burn is barely much more than the original 200, and can carry a much bigger payload, both of passengers and cargo. We call it “The Beast!”
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The seating of the 77X and the 351 is nearly the same - 440 at least as long as the 77X was equipped with 4 doors per fuselage side. I read somewhere, that LH will seat 400 passengers in the 777. Not that much - you see it also depends on how the airlines will replace the older aircraft in their fleet. For example, LH will replace their 340s and 744s. And when you look at United, they just recently changed their A350 order from -1000 to -900 series. They replace their 744 with 77Ws - maybe because the A351 isn't sufficient enough.... which would make me this they will replace their 77W with 77X someday.

There are people who think a 77X is "Too-much-of-an-airplane" .... actually it only seats max 30 seats more that the 77W and only flys 400km farther - maybe with better econonics, than every previous aircraft built, but who honestly will complain about that?
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previously discussed twice already.

https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...al-models.html

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Those Pac-Hogan atrocities can't be the bar to judge from. By the sound of it, with the orange peel and lack of foldable wings, it was a hurried model to market to get sales from those who can't wait for a proper mould.

I do believe we will see a genuine diecast version WITH foldable wings soon. It's not that hard to make joints on wings, fellas. Wasn't there an example floating around somewhere? I could've sworn there was...

Hopefully Gemini, or better yet InFlight will bless us with one. Gemini seems to release a model "once and done," whereas InFlight at least comes back to a model after a few years for those who've missed out on an initial run.

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Could it be, that there simply isn't that much interest in the 777 compared to the 787? We also had the Emirates 787-10 by GJ even before it was sure EK will order it...
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Not a fan of moving parts in 1/200 ...

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I'd be very interested in the ANA 777-9 model. But the folding wingtips need to be well executed. I'm afraid they might look toyish.

Apart from that I find it suprisingly hard to tell the 777-9 from the 773 when the wingtips are lowered.
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Not a fan of moving parts in 1/200 ...

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Skymarks has nailed it, we sold a dozen at the AI 2029 show..wingtips worked perfect.
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I'd be very interested in the ANA 777-9 model.
yeah me too! but i rather have a solid Die-cast 777-9 model instead of one in plastic..
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Apart from that I find it suprisingly hard to tell the 777-9 from the 773 when the wingtips are lowered.
You mean you cannot differ a 77W from a 77X?

Let me help you a little:
  1. 8m more wingspan
  2. 3m longer fuselage
  3. different engines
  4. larger 787-style tail
  5. larger horizontal stabs - 787-style
  6. 787-style wingtips
  7. bigger windows (even bigger than on the 787)

...ok, 3m more length would be better visible on a narrowbody.
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I know the new features. If the 77X is close to you, fine, but from a longer distance you will have a hard time telling.
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For me the easiest way to differentiate the 777-9 from the smaller 777-300 ER is just by looking at the massive new GE9X engine size.. the new GE9X engines also look very similar to the ones on the 787 Dreamliner IMO..

The bottom engine is the regular GE90..
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Top Gun Japan photos.

ANA Models?

1/200 Scale

Two versions - wingtips retracted and wingtips extended.
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Rather than have the tips articulated, make them detachable, couple of locating pins and a magnet. that way you can decide how you want to display the model. similar to the removable landing gear.
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Seems to be a brilliant idea ...

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Skymarks has nailed it, we sold a dozen at the AI 2029 show..wingtips worked perfect.
Thanks CV. I knew I saw an articulated version somewhere. And it looked perfectly executed. People be freakin' out before the diecast version even makes it to market. ffs
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they can surely make them movable it should not be a problem would be best solution...
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Problem with movable wingtips is how the hinge gets constructed/finished. AF1 has done it on a couple of their 1:72 military models, and get killed for using unpainted silver 'piano' style hinges.
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That's exactly why the idea expressed by funkey monkey in chunky town #20 seems to be the best.

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Sure the diecast manufacturers will bring us a decent 777-9 in the near future now the prototype is almost flying. Hope the wings will be foldable so we won't have to choose between a tips up or down version. Funky monkeys idea is great. Speaking of new molds, an A330 neo would be great to have too, allready airlines are flying it.
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I'd personally avoid buying a foldable wings 779 model. I think they would end like JCs SIA 359 movable stabs....they simply DO NOT MOVE - or they would loose their function someday and remain in the extended position.
As it was stated before it would more become an (expensive) toy. What about a retractable undercarriage btw?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Modellflugze...IAAOSwKEhcj2QA

i have got two of those ERTLs, and believe me: a mechanic folding function on a diecast model leads to wobbling parts when you overuse the folding mechanism.
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I have the new SkyMarks QATAR 1:200 version, where the wing tips actually move up and down, I know its only plastic but could the same be done in a
die cast version, rather than buying two separate models to show this
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This aircraft is due to have it's certification to fly completed by 2020 let's wait and see how long it takes the FAA approves the aircraft. Then if it approved and goes into production, model makers can go from there.
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I have the new SkyMarks QATAR 1:200 version, where the wing tips actually move up and down, I know its only plastic but could the same be done in a
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That's the one. Perfect execution of engineering for this specific application. People worried about the tips becoming loose must really go to town with playing with their models. How many times a day are you gonna flip 'em? If it's done right with a nice tight fitting, then there should be no problem. Better yet, have the tips plastic or "resin" if it sounds better.
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This aircraft is due to have it's certification to fly completed by 2020 let's wait and see how long it takes the FAA approves the aircraft. Then if it approved and goes into production, model makers can go from there.
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As far as I read approval is pending
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2020 is what I am reading so far anyhow. I was hoping Qantas was going for the 777-9X anyhow
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Basically, I don't see any point in getting a model that doesn't exist at this time. My mind will change when airlines will operate b777-9.
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https://www.lufthansagroup.com/de/777-9/home.html

According to the airline LH will receive their first -9 in summer 2020. Btw, LH is the launch customer.
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Nice link! Love the Skymarks solution with the foldable wing tips. ..
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As much as i would like to see a mechanical solution to this i don't think its practical, you cant get a nice tight fit on small articulations when the parts are painted metal. the paint will chip and the parts will be very delicate. Yes of course most will refrain from playing with the tips but that's not the point, we have all had models turn up with bits missing or parts broken off from postage or QC issues and this is on something thing that, for the most, has no moving parts.



OK Plastic tips would work but as we have seen with the Dreamlifter there is a clear color difference between the painted metal and the colored plastic so again not ideal.



Yes we all want the perfect model, interior lighting, moving spoilers, retracting gears and so on but there comes a point where it becomes impractical and very costly.

Until such a day comes where all the models arrive in perfect condition the focus should be on simple solutions and quality. Once that has been achieved maybe our dreams of a perfect scaled functioning model will no longer be a dream.
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As much as i would like to see a mechanical solution to this i don't think its practical, you cant get a nice tight fit on small articulations when the parts are painted metal. the paint will chip and the parts will be very delicate. Yes of course most will refrain from playing with the tips but that's not the point, we have all had models turn up with bits missing or parts broken off from postage or QC issues and this is on something thing that, for the most, has no moving parts.



OK Plastic tips would work but as we have seen with the Dreamlifter there is a clear color difference between the painted metal and the colored plastic so again not ideal.



Yes we all want the perfect model, interior lighting, moving spoilers, retracting gears and so on but there comes a point where it becomes impractical and very costly.

Until such a day comes where all the models arrive in perfect condition the focus should be on simple solutions and quality. Once that has been achieved maybe our dreams of a perfect scaled functioning model will no longer be a dream.
Valid points, of course. It will be interesting to see how the manufacturers overcome the potential pitfalls. There was a mention of magnetic tips, but I would be afraid of losing a wingtip and then having to go through customer service to beg for a replacement. Ugh. Let's just see what ideas come down the pipeline. I am no expert by any means. I just want to see us happy with the end result.
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Hi Tony, Hope your well. Would the risk of loosing a wing tip be any greater than loosing a landing gear or bay door cover?



You are right of course, we can speculate as much as we want but ultimately we will have to wait and see what the manufactures have in store. There are different manufactures out there so we will most likely see different solutions to the problem. will be interesting to see.
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Does the Skymarks version of the 777-9 include spinning fan blades on the engines? Do you recall?
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