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Old 01-10-2019, 04:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey there, received the new and -imo- beautiful Pan American Boeing 707-121 Clipper May flower by Inflight 200. Im not sure about the accuracy of the wings but they are very different in comparison with other Pan Am 707s in my collection. It has the short tail and no ventral fin. If you are a Pan Am collector, grab one while you can. The box is very nice too...

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Tail comparison;

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I'm not a 707 expert either, but I do like the looks of this release!
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I'm not a 707 expert either, but I do like the looks of this release!

Me, too! Could never grow tired of seeing models of Pan American aircraft!
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Interesting release, what is the Inflight 200 stock number? It must be a brand new release. Can't seem to find it at my regular online retailers. Where did you get it?
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It is a brand new release indeed. It is the inflight 701-idl lbg 1958p according the aviation megastore website. See https://www.aviationmegastore.com/b7...nfo&art=157246
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The livery is beautiful and no doubt that this model will be successful.

I do, however, think that a competition between two manufacturers would be beneficial for the collectors.

I am afraid that this wing is the wing of a -121 B ...

I attach a picture of the N 709PA I took when a PAN AM B 707 landed for the first time at Paris Le Bourget a few weeks before the aircraft started its daily service between IDL and LBG.

Very nice model of a fantastic aircraft that made me dream but I wii wait.

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Old 01-11-2019, 04:21 AM   #8 (permalink)
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here are some pictures of how the "small tail" Pan American 707-121 really looked like.
Maybe it's just me, but I think that Inflight couldn't have done a badder job of how they modelled the tail.
They already botched the tails of their A340/ A330 big time and now this.
I'll pass on that one, I'm afraid, even though I am usually all in for 707s.
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I see what you mean, the tail could have been better. No doubt this problem will be adressedin the future to make collectors buy another one ;-) Nevertheless I am very happy with this shiny new addition. I cannot pass on any Pan Am 707
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Very impressed!! This will be getting ordered very soon!!
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For many of you, that will be nitpicking and I apologize.

I attach a picture showing the difference between a short fin and a tall fin.

Note that the rudder is the same, simply the aircraft brought up to the B standard has a 35 in fin extension to improve the yaw stability.

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I understand and appreciate the frustrations with the lack of accuracy, but this shiny bobble will sell out in a heart-beat.

Just look at that.
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Yea she has the bling bling factor for sure! Jean Pierre, I agree that herpa has got the better tail showed in your picture. In fact if im not wrong, herpa will bring out a short tail Pan American 707 aswell soon.
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I'll wait to see what Herpa releases. IF200 release is shinny!
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I'll wait to see what Herpa releases. IF200 release is shinny!
The finishing of the model is superb.

What we need from Herpa is a B 707-120, for the time being, the only B 707s produced by Herpa are -320 and -420 which are very nice.

New tooling is required.

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Forgive me, I'm coming to this whole 'InFlight 707 / Pan Am' thing rather late, but . . .



I trust this model has a new nose? I also trust the 'Beatle' Pan Am 707 N704PA (2017) has the old version? If so, something THAT iconic may benefit from a second run with the new mould?


Just asking for a friend . . .
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For many of you, that will be nitpicking and I apologize.

I attach a picture showing the difference between a short fin and a tall fin.

Note that the rudder is the same, simply the aircraft brought up to the B standard has a 35 in fin extension to improve the yaw stability.

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Forgive me, I'm coming to this whole 'InFlight 707 / Pan Am' thing rather late, but . . .



I trust this model has a new nose? I also trust the 'Beatle' Pan Am 707 N704PA (2017) has the old version? If so, something THAT iconic may benefit from a second run with the new mould?


Just asking for a friend . . .
Be aware that N704PA was a B707-331 and the current release (N711PA) is a B707-121.
These are two entirely different versions of the same aircraft type (e.g. fuselage length differs considerably), etc.
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Be aware that N704PA was a B707-331 and the current release (N711PA) is a B707-121.
These are two entirely different versions of the same aircraft type (e.g. fuselage length differs considerably), etc.
True, nothing is simple with the B 707s ...

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JP, who are the manufacturers of your two Air France 707s?
These models were produced by Herpa, they are B 707-320s, -328s for Air France.

Note that after the retrofit with a tall fin and a ventral fin, the aircraft were still B 707-320s

Different story for the B 707-120s, when they were retrofitted they became B 707-120 Bs

The B 707-320 Bs were completely new aircraft, new engines, new wing, additional leading edge flaps ...

Nothing is simple.

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Be aware that N704PA was a B707-331 and the current release (N711PA) is a B707-121.
These are two entirely different versions of the same aircraft type (e.g. fuselage length differs considerably), etc.
Ahhhhhh . . . Thanks. I need to bone-up on my 707 knowledge. Cheers!
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So many dfferent versions of the 707... was the 707-320B the last version with the pratt&whitney engines?
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Great thread Tom, and thanks to everyone with their contributions really appreciated.
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So many dfferent versions of the 707... was the 707-320B the last version with the pratt&whitney engines?
The B 707-320 B was not the last version, it was followed by a -320 C with a cargo door.

The very last one was the -320 B Adv with the -320 C refinements but no cargo capability.

There were a few other projects, a -520 B with a longer fuselage but it couldn't compete with the stretched DC-8, also a -700 with CFM-56 engines.
These projects never materialized.

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For many of you, that will be nitpicking and I apologize.

I attach a picture showing the difference between a short fin and a tall fin.

Note that the rudder is the same, simply the aircraft brought up to the B standard has a 35 in fin extension to improve the yaw stability.

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Thats not nitpicking....thats showing things as they are! Again, a tail fail release....like so many others sadly....
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Does anyone have any idea when these will show up in the States? As imperfect as it is, I can’t wait to see my preorder arrive.

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Ahhhhhh . . . Thanks. I need to bone-up on my 707 knowledge. Cheers!
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Very nice article, thank you!
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Very disappointed with Inflight messing up this release. And I naively was hoping they would at some point of time release a DC10-10 with correct wing span and engine size.......
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Very disappointed with release for 2 reasons, nose and tail. The nose shouldn't be that long or pointy, and the tail should be shorter and thicker.


I'm particularly disappointed with the tail. All that Inflight had to do was take a mold of their existing 707-320B tail, and cut it off right above the rudder and add an antenna. Not really that hard to do.



I have one on pre-order, but I'm tempted to cancel.
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No I haven't, and thank! Looks like the reference I could use.
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I see what you mean, the tail could have been better. No doubt this problem will be adressedin the future to make collectors buy another one ;-) Nevertheless I am very happy with this shiny new addition. I cannot pass on any Pan Am 707
Well, it is a great looking livery and I can't of anything cooler than a 707 in a Pan Am livery

Very nice addition.
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Well, it is a great looking livery and I can't of anything cooler than a 707 in a Pan Am livery

Very nice addition.
Minor niggles aside, it really IS quite tempting . . .
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You won't be disappointed imo..
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You won't be disappointed imo..
I'm still debating. I really want to believe Klein is going to cough up the United DC-8-43 I am lusting for.
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Hello. I cannot see what the discrepancy is in this release. Inflight appears to have got it spot on. The tail comparisons are between two different 707’s. N711PA the new release is a 707-121 and the N704PA is a 707-331 which was a larger aircraft. The height is nearly a foot higher and 12 feet longer. To establish a discrepancy you need the exact same model type either from the same manufacturer or another.
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