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Old 07-23-2018, 05:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I started this before I realized that Gemini was producing one. This seems to happen to me.... Hasegawa Kit. It was a fun build and although far from perfect, looks okay in the case. This should probably be in military section, but hey its a 737 and 1/200. What could be better?
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I think this model will be a big seller and sell out. IMHO.
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nope. there will be tons of liveries released one after one.

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It's already sold out at Diecastairplane.com .
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Always great to see your builds and a great photo too Brian! Have one in the stash too, with aftermarket RAAF decals. At the rate I build, GJ might come out with one first!
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Looks great! I just finished assembling the VP-5 version today and I'm getting ready to paint. What paint brands & color codes did you use? The gray looks spot on
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Old 08-02-2018, 11:20 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Always great to see your builds and a great photo too Brian! Have one in the stash too, with aftermarket RAAF decals. At the rate I build, GJ might come out with one first!
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Thanks Terence. I have been out of town on vacation.

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Looks great! I just finished assembling the VP-5 version today and I'm getting ready to paint. What paint brands & color codes did you use? The gray looks spot on

Thank you... I used Testors Gloss Gull Gray. (FS16440)


On a side note, while I was away, my town was hit with a wildfire that consumed over 900 homes. My house was not damaged but am learning about many friends that lost everything. Please keep Redding in your thoughts and prayers.


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Very nice model, good work building her.

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but hey its a 737 and 1/200. What could be better?
I quite agree, good enough reason for this forum and plenty of other 1/200 military threads here too.
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It's a 737, it's 1/200, and it's armed!
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Strange that Boeing never chose the raked wingtip wing design the P8 has over the B737 MAX series.
Is there any reason for this?
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Strange that Boeing never chose the raked wingtip wing design the P8 has over the B737 MAX series.
Is there any reason for this?

Maybe that raked tip is not as efficient as the hybrid scimitar? also P-8 is wider span by almost 2m.
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It's a 737, it's 1/200, and it's armed!
Unless you just imagine that it's armed inside the internal weapon bay? There is no weapon outside on either the gemini model or the plastic japanese model sadly...
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Maybe that raked tip is not as efficient as the hybrid scimitar? also P-8 is wider span by almost 2m.
Not something I'd expect to be very honest.
Since why do B787's, 777's, B767-400ER's & B747-8's have the raked wingtip design over the hybrid scimitar then? I mean if the hybrid scimitar is that efficient, why not apply it on all those others well?

Same for the P8 for that part why not give that the hybrid scimitar design likewise.
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Strange that Boeing never chose the raked wingtip wing design the P8 has over the B737 MAX series.
Is there any reason for this?

My understanding is that the main difference between the scimitars and the raked tips is that the raked tips save you fuel at most operating heights whereas the scimitars are only really worth it to add range if you are dashing about at cruise as they work best when the wing is near trans-sonic speeds, i.e.: Mach 0.7-onwards. They are much more efficient than the raked tips high up but much less efficient lower down if that makes sense.

The Poseidon will spend a lot of its time at between FL6-10 hunting submarines and then dropping down to less than a thousand feet to drop sonobuoys and torps etc. The scimitars don't help you much down there, and eat up a fair bit more fuel.

The raked tips are there to add lift at cruise so you use less fuel to stay up there. They are purely there to add loiter time which the P-8 is superb at. Remember the P-3 Orions the Poseidons are replacing in some cases can and do turn off the two outboard engines at cruise and feather the props whereas obviously the Poseidon cant.

Its a bit of a tradeoff.

Climb/descent rate is decreased with the scimitars or raked tips as there is a fair bit more drag in thicker air as well and the Poseidon needs to get up and down pretty quickly while on ASW ops, so they are not helpful in this regard for the Poseidon. In an ideal world the wing would have some way of retracting the tips somehow to get them out of the way for ASW operations.

The tradeoff you get as i mentioned is the loiter time. They can drop 11-12% off the fuel burn at cruise which means lower fuel burn, which means longer in the air. The Poseidon already has several extra tanks than the vanilla 737 has and has ridiculous loiter time.

Interesting stuff. I'd imagine the Poseidon is available from Boeing with the normal tips with no scimitars or raked tips at all if you want it, as some navies might prefer to have a faster bird that is optimised for hunting submarines etc down low in the murk and who do not plan to use it for long distance maritime/fisheries protection, patrol and research etc. For a brown water short legged anti-sub specialist there is an argument to have it without the tips. Although having said that there are under-wing pylons for stores so it might be that the raked tips have a stability advantage when carrying Harpoons etc way out on the outer pylons. I'm not sure to be honest.
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Not something I'd expect to be very honest.
Since why do B787's, 777's, B767-400ER's & B747-8's have the raked wingtip design over the hybrid scimitar then? I mean if the hybrid scimitar is that efficient, why not apply it on all those others well?

Same for the P8 for that part why not give that the hybrid scimitar design likewise.
Part of the reason is probably size and load - we know how large the scimitars are on the NG 737s, and the 757/767 winglets are positively massive.

To bring the same benefit you'd need something much larger again for a 787 and much larger again for a 747-8i. I'd imagine something so large would physically be so large as to weigh so much that it would be difficult for the slender wings of these newer birds to physically carry as a load.

I also think the newer wings - 787 is a great example - are much less stiff than a 737 or 757 wing and bend upwards much more so probably they already bring most of the benefit of the scimitar's design already without needing one.
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Many thanks for explaining that, makes sense now
I remember The Netherlands flying P3 Orions, yet kinda strange they never replaced them with anything after the P3 Orion was retired.

I guess the P2 Neptune was the predecessor of the P3 Orion right?
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Many thanks for explaining that, makes sense now
I remember The Netherlands flying P3 Orions, yet kinda strange they never replaced them with anything after the P3 Orion was retired.

I guess the P2 Neptune was the predecessor of the P3 Orion right?

Yes the Neptune was basically the predecessor. If i remember correctly the Netherlands Navy Orions went to the German Marineflieger to replace their old Breguet Atlantiques.

Germany and Netherlands both now need a new MPA. Airbus are working on an A319/20 variant for MPA which would be the rough equivalent of a Poseidon so i'd imagine they would look very closely at this if they don't end up buying the Poseidon.

Given the Dutch love affair with the 737 and the number of trained/737-rated Netherlands nationals, stockpile of 737 parts, sims etc in Netherlands, I'd be surprised if the Royal Dutch Navy didn't end up acquiring them over the Airbus but you never know.
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Just received my brand new gemini P-8 and 737 MAX 9!!

Only thing that could've made it better are removable gears!
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Just received my brand new gemini P-8 and 737 MAX 9!!

Only thing that could've made it better are removable gears!
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Yes the Neptune was basically the predecessor. If i remember correctly the Netherlands Navy Orions went to the German Marineflieger to replace their old Breguet Atlantiques.

Germany and Netherlands both now need a new MPA. Airbus are working on an A319/20 variant for MPA which would be the rough equivalent of a Poseidon so i'd imagine they would look very closely at this if they don't end up buying the Poseidon.

Given the Dutch love affair with the 737 and the number of trained/737-rated Netherlands nationals, stockpile of 737 parts, sims etc in Netherlands, I'd be surprised if the Royal Dutch Navy didn't end up acquiring them over the Airbus but you never know.
I really hope they choose the Boeing P8 Poseidon , I am more of a Boeing guy tbh xD
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Just received my brand new gemini P-8 and 737 MAX 9!!

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The P-8 looks good, can't wait to get mine!
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The P-8 looks good, can't wait to get mine!
I can see why this thing sold out so quick!
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I just got mine and it's tasty! Just wondering, is there a 737-10 MAX 1/200 in the offing?
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I just got mine and it's tasty! Just wondering, is there a 737-10 MAX 1/200 in the offing?
I hope so soon...

Can't wait for a proper 777-9 and a 737-10 and a330neo
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Crazy that the gemini prototype mould was done all the way back in late 2017 but is only now released.

https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...on-gemini.html

Too bad all 4 Harpoon missiles featured in the prototype mould was fired off ;(
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My understanding is that the main difference between the scimitars and the raked tips is that the raked tips save you fuel at most operating heights whereas the scimitars are only really worth it to add range if you are dashing about at cruise as they work best when the wing is near trans-sonic speeds, i.e.: Mach 0.7-onwards. They are much more efficient than the raked tips high up but much less efficient lower down if that makes sense.

The Poseidon will spend a lot of its time at between FL6-10 hunting submarines and then dropping down to less than a thousand feet to drop sonobuoys and torps etc. The scimitars don't help you much down there, and eat up a fair bit more fuel.

The raked tips are there to add lift at cruise so you use less fuel to stay up there. They are purely there to add loiter time which the P-8 is superb at. Remember the P-3 Orions the Poseidons are replacing in some cases can and do turn off the two outboard engines at cruise and feather the props whereas obviously the Poseidon cant.

Its a bit of a tradeoff.

Climb/descent rate is decreased with the scimitars or raked tips as there is a fair bit more drag in thicker air as well and the Poseidon needs to get up and down pretty quickly while on ASW ops, so they are not helpful in this regard for the Poseidon. In an ideal world the wing would have some way of retracting the tips somehow to get them out of the way for ASW operations.

The tradeoff you get as i mentioned is the loiter time. They can drop 11-12% off the fuel burn at cruise which means lower fuel burn, which means longer in the air. The Poseidon already has several extra tanks than the vanilla 737 has and has ridiculous loiter time.

Interesting stuff. I'd imagine the Poseidon is available from Boeing with the normal tips with no scimitars or raked tips at all if you want it, as some navies might prefer to have a faster bird that is optimised for hunting submarines etc down low in the murk and who do not plan to use it for long distance maritime/fisheries protection, patrol and research etc. For a brown water short legged anti-sub specialist there is an argument to have it without the tips. Although having said that there are under-wing pylons for stores so it might be that the raked tips have a stability advantage when carrying Harpoons etc way out on the outer pylons. I'm not sure to be honest.

Great information Toga. Thank you mate
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Got mine yesterday, very pleased! I give it a 9.8/10, would be a 10/10 if it had removable gear
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Mine should be at home tonight!
Removable gear would definitely be a plus, but I really wish it came with the Harpoon missiles. Who doesn't want an armed 737?
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Removable gear would definitely be a plus, but I really wish it came with the Harpoon missiles. Who doesn't want an armed 737?

I know what you mean. Gear up in future releases please GJ and some of these under the wings


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Went home at lunch and my P-8 had arrived. Just took a quick look, but WOW!
i did look on the wing underside and I see the cutouts for the Harpoon pylons, wish they had been included. Sigh.

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i did look on the wing underside and I see the cutouts for the Harpoon pylons, wish they had been included. Sigh.
Ok, sounds like they could be included on future releases then.
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2 years ago I unified Hasegawa and JC. But Harpoon had to do it myself.
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....but no one can't say that I did not try.
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Gemini Jets did a fantastic job with the P-8 tooling! Look at all those antennas! I look forward to the upcoming releases. I hope some day Gemini decides to tinker with the mould to reveal the bomb bay. This one becomes an instant gem in my collection!

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Will any max aircraft incorporate raked wing tips or Poseidon incorporate split scimitars in the future?
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Seems this is taking a long time to arrive. I'm in the US and my supplier for this one seems to be last in line to get their shipment.
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Seems this is taking a long time to arrive. I'm in the US and my supplier for this one seems to be last in line to get their shipment.
Apparently Gemini received a lot more orders than they planned for. Further runs were made and could be these later batches will require additional time to deliver.
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Apparently Gemini received a lot more orders than they planned for. Further runs were made and could be these later batches will require additional time to deliver.
My retailer told me that a second run was happening in December. Can this be confirmed? Hoping to get this on the shelf soon.
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It has been showing as pre-order on retailer site for awhile with a ETA of 12/31/18, which has passed. Hopefully any day now.

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With all the orders coming in for the type, Gemini must chuffed as all get out to get the tooling out before anyone else.

I had heard Inflight also had the tooling in development. Apparently tooling new wings slowed things down a tad. I reckon they have missed a trick with the P8.

USN, RAF, RAAF, RNZAF, RNAF and the Indian Navy are operating the type of have them on firm orders.

South Korean Air Force is awaiting Congressional approval for their purchase.

Certainly a worth while investment for manufacturers I would have thought?
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Old 01-06-2019, 06:26 PM   #41 (permalink)
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2 years ago I unified Hasegawa and JC. But Harpoon had to do it myself.
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Where did you find the Harpoons? I want some too


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Will any max aircraft incorporate raked wing tips or Poseidon incorporate split scimitars in the future?
I thought all MAX already have split scimitar?
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MAX have split scimitar, yes.


P-8s have a raked wingtip.


I was told the US Navy was concerned with icing build-up at low altitudes on the traditional blended winglet that preceded the split scimitar, and the decision was made to incorporate the raked wingtip winglet from the 767-400 and 777-300ER and -200LR.
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Hoping we will get the Wedgetail at some point also!
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Nice re-release! Received it last week and it is a nice addition to my military collection. Glad I waited and did not give in to the $140 plus Ebay asking price on the first one!
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For September, Gemini introduced US Navy Boeing P-8A Poseidon, G2USN900.

Do you know if Gemini will include Harpoons in this release? Artwork doesn´t show them, but hardpoints appear to be present.
Harpoon missiles would be not only cool, but especially this particular release literally asks for them as harpoons are present on the tail art:





So many collectors are waiting just for the Harpoons, many collectors even wait only for Harpoons to buy a Poseidon.

Gemini prototype had Harpoon missiles attached, model´s wings are "Harpoon-ready" from the underside and even foam packaging for Poseidon has cutouts for the harpoons .....
(maybe even slight price increase would not be a deal breaker for collectors?)



Does any DA.C member/s have good contact with Gemini?
Would be perfect if he / they would pass this question / request on to Gemini ... and possibly also about adding removeable landing gear.

There´s also this form on Gemini website:
www.geminijets.com/contact/email.php, where collectors can send their emails to Gemini about Harpoons .... and maybe about removeable landing gear too (Gemini200´s 737-700/ 800 have landing gears removeable).

Time is running, but if Gemini would receive enough requests from collectors, maybe they can finally give us the so desired Poseidon with Harpoons?


Poseidon prototype with harpoons:


Armed Boeing 737:
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I totally agree with the points raised in the above post: I'd happily pay a few extra bucks to have the Harpoons included & if the civvie 737-800 models can be made with a gear-up option I cannot see why GJ cannot do this for their P-8

Regardless I'm happy to see another P-8 announced, hopefully the RAAF version isn't too far away
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All the artwork for P-8 releases so far has shown the pylons, but then when the model photos arrive there's nothing. So I won't preorder until I can see the model photos.


I have the first release, but frankly I'm going to hold off until there's at least pylons, or the underwing Harpoons. So no purchases until that's fixed.



I'd also like to get the magnetic landing gear back, there's no reason for it to not have that option. I asked Elliot about the fixed P-8 gear vs commercial 737s having magnetic, and he shrugged it off and attributed it to the factory. But I'd really like to see this issue corrected, I want to be able to display in flight.
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doesn't look like harpoons fitted etc!

picture credit Rivetcounter.
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doesn't look like harpoons fitted etc!

picture credit Rivetcounter.


Here is the RAF Poseidon artwork from Gemini:


Also this artwork implies hardpoints to be fitted under the wings, so hardpoints on the new US Navy artwork G2USN900 don´t necessarily mean step forward.

Looks like the biggest chance we have is to ask Gemini directly through emails or by phone.

Maybe also would be a good idea IMHO to bring this matter up on other diecast forums to get more collectors involved in the campaign.
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