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Old 03-02-2018, 03:36 PM   #1
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Surprised no one has posted this! At least this an official release!!


B-721-T01 | Blue Box 1:200 | Boeing 727-100 Trump VP-BDJ (with stand) | is due: March 2018








B-722-TS01 | Blue Box 1:200 | Boeing 727-200 Trump Shuttle N918TS (with stand) | is due: March 2018





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Missing winglets
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only an artist drawing. let's wait to see actual pics.
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Just ordered this one to go with my 757 although this aircraft has no winglets it did actually fly like this, the winglets were added at a later stage, and the word Trump was also changed to a boulder title..
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It does look good, but I'll stick with my Trump 757.
Got other things I need to buy first!
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It would be a pleasant surprise if it comes out with winglets. If they do, I believe it would be the first ever, a 1/200 727 with winglets(?)
The way they overlook details nowadays, I hope it does not get released with just one engine as in the second drawing . You'll never know...But again like the AZ 777 with two left engines or was it two right engines.

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nose does not look like 727
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It would be a pleasant surprise if it comes out with winglets. If they do, I believe it would be the first ever, a 1/200 727 with winglets(?)
not necessarily! I have this one and a Zero Gravity 727
http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...ecast-yes.html
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I misread the eztoys email last night and accidentally ordered one thinking it was a Gemini. Only after did I look carefully and see it’s an Inflight release - total bummer.
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not necessarily! I have this one and a Zero Gravity 727
http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...ecast-yes.html
Sexy!! Now I really hope for 727Ws

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The BIG question....what mould? It's not going to be on the Inflight casting,with the completely wrong tail??
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I was curious about the winglet on a 727 and found a photo, although this is a different plane. Appropriate scenery considering the conditions in the UK right now

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I like the 80's Shuttle more.
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This sucks that inflight 200 is still using the flawed vertical stabilizer tail mould on this TRUMP shuttle instead of JC WINGS/GEMINI JETS 200 mould 727-100....the sales would be through the roof ...I am tired of inflights 727 200 mould ...wrong tail some releases I wanted to buy...hope JC WINGS GEMINI comes out with their trump shuttle 727....I would love to buy that version.
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Finally someone made the 727! Definitely going on my pre order list.
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It would be a pleasant surprise if it comes out with winglets. If they do, I believe it would be the first ever, a 1/200 727 with winglets(?)
The way they overlook details nowadays, I hope it does not get released with just one engine as in the second drawing . You'll never know...But again like the AZ 777 with two left engines or was it two right engines.
When did this 727 receive the winglets? Actually (way) before the boulder style titles were introduced? Just curious.
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I have another question.

Technically speaking, I am a bit confused about these winglets.
Usually, these winglets generate aerodynamic forces which improve the performance of the aircraft.
As a consequence, the wings have to be reinforced.

Was it the case with this aircraft or are these winglets just there to look pretty and don't have any role ?

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I have another question.

Technically speaking, I am a bit confused about these winglets.
Usually, these winglets generate aerodynamic forces which improve the performance of the aircraft.
As a consequence, the wings have to be reinforced.

Was it the case with this aircraft or are these winglets just there to look pretty and don't have any role ?

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Yes,the winglets reduce drag,which reduces fuel burn. I have seen videos in a lab,using smoke,clearly showing how effective they are. I was not aware that wings need to be reinforced. I am sure this is the case with the Trump example. I do find it interesting,how Airbus & Boeing have different opinions on what the best shape is. (A350)
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Yes,the winglets reduce drag,which reduces fuel burn. I have seen videos in a lab,using smoke,clearly showing how effective they are. I was not aware that wings need to be reinforced. I am sure this is the case with the Trump example. I do find it interesting,how Airbus & Boeing have different opinions on what the best shape is. (A350)
Funny story here, back in 1994 I worked for Page Avjet in Orlando and they are the ones who re-modified Mr. Trumps 727. I had the pleasure of sitting in on 3 meetings (only as an observer with Mr. Trump.) He was very nice and polite during those meetings. The brief explanation of what winglets do is they are designed to reduce wingtip vorticies/turbulence which in turn reduces wingtip drag creating the fuel savings. Obviously the longer the flight the greater the savings.

I also flew one of 2 Delta 727's at that time which were fitted with winglets and in regular passenger service for one year. Delta did not move forward with the conversion.
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The winglets reduce drag by limiting wing tip vorticies. Basic principle is that air flows from an are of high pressure (underside of the wing) to an area of low pressure (upper side of the wing), particularly around the wing tips but can happen on the edge of the flaps too. This swirling of air from the under side to the upper wing is what reduces wing lift and increases aerodynamic drag as well as producing wing tip vorticies which are horizontal 'tornadoes' coming off the wing tips and flap edges that you may have seen as white trails coming off these area on a foggy day. Aside from being potentially dangerous to trailing aircraft, the vorticies create a lot of drag and loss of lift at the wing tips as the air rapidly swirls from bottom to top (increased air displacement = more drag. Don't believe it hang your hand put the window of a moving car and rotate your hand from flat to parallel to the airflow and see what happens). The winglets block this airflow to limit the air displacement and therefore reduce drag. They also marginally increase lift.

If the winglets are designed right, the weight of the winglets is more than offset by the increase in efficiency.

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I have both of these on pre-order! Excited that they are being produced.

I doubt the winglets will be on the model, the paint scheme is a earlier paint scheme. The titles were updated later as well as the winglets added.

Althouggh I'd love to have the wingslets version, I don't think it will be this one. I haven't been able to find a photo with those stylized titles with winglets on the plane.

Here is a photo of the actual plane, no winglets.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/markp51/25391461072/

And here is later with different titles, and winglets.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/137541...6/27856757932/

Trump Shuttle will be cool too.....late 80's early 90's models.

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.... I do find it interesting,how Airbus & Boeing have different opinions on what the best shape is. (A350)
Boeing with the B 777 and Airbus with the A 350 take two different approaches to improve the efficiency of their wings and reduce the drag.

Boeing with the raked wings reduces significantly the induced drag due to the wingtip vortices.
Less drag, more range, reduced fuel burn and also a slight increase in speed.

Airbus with the blended wing is taking full advantage of the lateral lift generated by the winglets.
The airflow over the wing is as shown on the document I attach.
At the wingtip the airflow generates on the winglet a lateral lift perpendicular to the airflow (red arrow).
This lateral lift is pointing forward and has a component which is facing forward (green arrow).
This component improve the performance of the aircraft.

That's exactly as if your aircraft had engines with more thrust.
"More thrust" or less drag, more range, less fuel burn (you don't need the same thrust from your engine) and a slight increase in speed.

In my humble opinion this kind of winglet may be more efficient than the raked wings because this forward component is available during the take off run.
The aircraft should be able to take off on slightly shorter distances.

If one of us has a good knowledge of this subject, please feel free to add your comments.

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Boeing with the B 777 and Airbus with the A 350 take two different approaches to improve the efficiency of their wings and reduce the drag.

Boeing with the raked wings reduces significantly the induced drag due to the wingtip vortices.
Less drag, more range, reduced fuel burn and also a slight increase in speed.

Airbus with the blended wing is taking full advantage of the lateral lift generated by the winglets.
The airflow over the wing is as shown on the document I attach.
At the wingtip the airflow generates on the winglet a lateral lift perpendicular to the airflow (red arrow).
This lateral lift is pointing forward and has a component which is facing forward (green arrow).
This component improve the performance of the aircraft.

That's exactly as if your aircraft had engines with more thrust.
"More thrust" or less drag, more range, less fuel burn (you don't need the same thrust from your engine) and a slight increase in speed.

In my humble opinion this kind of winglet may be more efficient than the raked wings because this forward component is available during the take off run.
The aircraft should be able to take off on slightly shorter distances.

If one of us has a good knowledge of this subject, please feel free to add your comments.

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Merci. That was very interesting.
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Boeing with the B 777 and Airbus with the A 350 take two different approaches to improve the efficiency of their wings and reduce the drag.

Boeing with the raked wings reduces significantly the induced drag due to the wingtip vortices.
Less drag, more range, reduced fuel burn and also a slight increase in speed.

Airbus with the blended wing is taking full advantage of the lateral lift generated by the winglets.
The airflow over the wing is as shown on the document I attach.
At the wingtip the airflow generates on the winglet a lateral lift perpendicular to the airflow (red arrow).
This lateral lift is pointing forward and has a component which is facing forward (green arrow).
This component improve the performance of the aircraft.

That's exactly as if your aircraft had engines with more thrust.
"More thrust" or less drag, more range, less fuel burn (you don't need the same thrust from your engine) and a slight increase in speed.

In my humble opinion this kind of winglet may be more efficient than the raked wings because this forward component is available during the take off run.
The aircraft should be able to take off on slightly shorter distances.

If one of us has a good knowledge of this subject, please feel free to add your comments.

Jean Pierre.
This makes me wonder about the specific lift/drag ratios of the 2 types of wing tips. If the Airbus wingtip does generate a lift component, it must also produces drag which will benefit take off performance but hinder cruise performance. Probably not a good trade off since the aircraft should be in cruise flight for most of a long distance flight. I'm sure Airbus does other things to help cruise performance, but there must be more to the story than just this?

It would be interesting to see wind tunnel testing with smoke to visualize the 2 different types of wing tips. The rakes wingtips of the Boeing design (787) sometimes with their small fences (777) would help to eliminate wing tip vorticies, but these fences do not have a lift component that I know of other since they are vertical. Their advantage would be limited to smoothing out the airflow and reducing drag.


A short, simplified video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNqXf6t7e-w

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I prefer the G200 727 mold, but would consider the IF200 airline version of his personal plane to go with the G200 757...I do not need 2 of the same livery!

NOW COME ON RUSS...HAVE YOUR BROTHER DO A PAN AM BILLBOARD 722 WITH WINGLETS!
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Here is one I made myself . Doing some fun with it before I made it Pan Am
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