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Old 12-01-2017, 02:29 AM   #1
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Every month, we see all our favorite manufacturers announce their releases. It's an exciting time when this occurs!

However, after pre-ordering, how long do we expect we have to wait, until we can get these models in our hands to enjoy?

There are 2 x 1:200 models I have purchased this year that are still yet to arrive.
The JC Wings ANA Pokemon 747 which was announced in June this year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du4aJWEybCY&t=803s)
and the InFlight200 Air New Zealand DC-10 which was also announced earlier this year around the same time.

Last year (or the year before, can't quite remember), I ordered the InFlight200 Egypt Air 777-300ER.
From announcement month, through to actually receiving the item, it was over 6-7 months until I actually had it in my hands!!

In the 4th Issue of Model Airliner Magazine, InFlight200 stated that it takes them up to 6 months for them to produce a model.
This is from choosing the airlines/aircraft, through to the model being made and available to purchase.
So to wait up to another 6 months + after their announcement, it makes me wonder why do we have to wait so long for the models?! Especially for the price that we pay for them!

I understand the manufacturers have to go through licencing and royalties etc. before getting these models released, but come on, 6 months + is definitely far too long to wait in my opinion.
It makes me wonder if it really is worth spending all that money, to have to wait a long time to receive the product I want.

Gemini Jets usually have it pretty good from my experience, They announce the models and around a month later, they are in retailers ready to ship out to customers which is a far more acceptable time frame.

Does anybody else have any thoughts on this??

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I am still waiting for my Korean 787 flaps down. I remember I called a retailer about this earlier this year and he told me that pre-orders might come in a few weeks, a few months, or a few years! WHAT GIVES, MANUFACTURERS? My unfortunate position on these pre-orders is that I paid most of them with paypal (Like the Korean 787 flaps down) My fault! Yes, and I learned my lesson. But retailers should not have a paypal option for pre-orders! I paid for something that is probably not forthcoming. This is, therefore, A SCAM THAT IS TO BE REPORTED. Also I pre-ordered a model, again paid with paypal (stupid me, duh), already being sold on ebay but not available from any American retailers. Yes, I am addicted to models but please manufacturers and retailers do not blatantly take advantage of it.
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Old 12-01-2017, 07:27 AM   #3
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I can't agree more. Every month we see some exciting upcoming release from JC and Inflight but need to wait uncertain months to get the models. It bothers me from time to time because I need to sort out how much installment I paid for pre-order models since it's long time ago. I don't mind manufacturers to skip one month or two to announce new releases but spend some time to fulfill all previous pre-order models. GeminiJets do a good job to release models after announcement.

BTW, I also pre-ordered JC Wings ANA Pokemon 747 flap-down too.
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I don't like the long delay either but I don't buy the licensing excuse. The model manufacturers should already know if they are going to release a licensed version or an unlicensed 'white box' or 'blue box' version when they make the model announcements.

More likely is they are trying to 'scoop' the other manufacturers with a particular livery of new mold by announcing the model long before they actually have the factory capacity to produce it in the hopes of beating the other manufactures to get pre-orders. My bet is they know that potential buyers are much less likely to change a pre-order once it is placed.

I agree the exception here is Gemini. My guess that, by agreement, they use a large amount of the JC Wing's factory capacity and JC Wings uses the extra capacity to release their own models, hence the GJ models arrive on time and the JCW models usually don't.

Inflight used to use the JCW factory and mold for their 777-200 models and their own contracted factory for their 747 models. I think Inflight has just completed their own factory to produce their 777-300ER products. I bet the new A330-200 and A330-300 models come from this factory also, with the goal of shortening times from announcement to delivery, but are caught up in the rush to pre-order madness like everyone else.

And I think we are the ones who are left with long intervals between pre-orders and delivery of the actual model. Not really sure how that is going to change unless the manufacturers lessen the amount of monthly pre-order announcements.

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I think Ron (from Gemini at the time) said many years ago that Gemini will only announce models that have been shipped.
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I hear ya. I always wonder why so long between announcement, production and delivery. Primarily from IF and JCW. I received all of these models on November 15. Look at the dates I pre ordered them.

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I also agree. If there is such a long time before release, then don't make any announcements until production has begun, or shipping has started. I understand that the manufacturers want to get an advance idea of the demand for a product, but the 1-2 month advance seems to work for Gemini, so why not the others?
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:04 PM   #8
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The JetBlue Embraer 1:200 from Gemini Jets arrived three months later, buy finally arrived
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I like Gemini's method of announcing models.....they announce once the models are produced and shipped. To me, that makes the most sense...

I think other manufacturers like Inflight or JC Wings, wait until they get pre-orders and then they produce. Inflight is particularly bad at this....and I've seen Inflight models take over a year to show up once announced.
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I ordered the latest version of the Pan Am 707-320B by IF200 so long ago, I can’t remember how long it’s been! Although I much prefer the way Gemini announces its releases, at least I know I’ll get the models from Inflight, eventually.
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I ordered the latest version of the Pan Am 707-320B by IF200 so long ago, I can’t remember how long it’s been! Although I much prefer the way Gemini announces its releases, at least I know I’ll get the models from Inflight, eventually.
This one is available now in Europe. So you should receive it soon.
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I ordered the latest version of the Pan Am 707-320B by IF200 so long ago, I can’t remember how long it’s been! Although I much prefer the way Gemini announces its releases, at least I know I’ll get the models from Inflight, eventually.
InFlight's 2013 Pre-Order release of N9667 the 'Polished' AA 747-123 was one of the quickest sellouts I can remember (inside of only a few days after the announcement, if memory serves me right) esp with only 312 copies world wide. Certainly glad I got in on that one, for sure.

I wonder how long GJ's DAL MD-88 Widget will be avail for Pre-Order? If its your 'Holy Grail' are you willing to wait and have to wade through the Trolls on SleezE-Bay to get a copy from HC for twice retail.

I hopped on the Pre-Order for JCW's Boeing House 738MAX N8702Q 5668-1A001 last Dec, due in Jan/17. Cool, not Cool. I finally took delivery this last Aug. almost nine months later. The 1:200 model took the same time it took BCA to obtain FAA Part 25 Type Cert the real 1:1 aircraft.

As much as I hate the wait, Pre-Orders are a necessary evil when it comes to collecting. As a collective consumer, Pre-Orders are sometimes the only way that we can be sure that a copy of the wanted model will be allocated or set aside for us by our favorite retailers. bottom line though is eventually you'll have a copy of the desired model in hand.

I think the number of monthly announcements should maybe get scaled back to a realistic level, so that the mfr's can fulfill their backlog and only announce Pre-Orders what they have capacity to produce.

Why make the announcements just to test the market and and create the illusion that i'll get the instantaneous satisfaction of the FedEx guy pulling up in my driveway in a month from the announced dates if I pick-n-click on the newest releases on my retailers website.

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Old 12-21-2017, 04:49 AM   #13
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Finally received my Air NZ DC-10 last week.

4 or so months after announcement date...
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Herpa's 1:200 Tu-144S CCCP-77110 was on Pre-order for more than one year, same for their Tu-144D CCCP-77114 @ 1:400 , I had this in pre-order for 6 months til I decided to do a refund, just ridiculous such acts.

A Pre-Order time should not be longer than 2 months max as what Gemini Jets is currently doing.

Anything longer than 2 months should not be acceptable.

Even though I find mostly that if an item is being sold after the release of that particular item, it should be in stock so people can order it and buy it without the need of the pre-order waiting after payment nonsense, there by paying loads of money and then hanging on to that little piece of hope that your item will arrive in a certain amount of unknown time and hoping it arrives without damaged parts etc.
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My waiting record is KLM Cargo Inflight. Order completed after 8 months
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Old 12-21-2017, 09:19 AM   #16
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I don't bother with pre-orders...not worth it! All's you end up doing is putting money out there for up to a year or longer when you could have used that money for real releases where you can have planes in hand...why frustrate yourself this way and then getting POed and stressed out! I have always been able to find models once released at the pre-order price or less! The "pre-order now or you may miss out" is a bunch of BS money grab sales tactics...waiting waiting...yeah yeah yeah "we need the pre-order so the manufacturer can produce enough for demand" blah blah blah BS!

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Quote from original poster...

"Gemini Jets usually have it pretty good from my experience, They announce the models and around a month later, they are in retailers ready to ship out to customers which is a far more acceptable time frame."


Gemini does not announce new releases until the container is loaded and they know for a fact those models are on the way. I can tell you that a majority are planned 6 months in advance....
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That's why I rarely do pre orders anymore..I always wait until the model is available and I can see some pics on retailers website..
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Longest wait I've seen is 3 years for a military model. To make matters worse, it was delivered with very bad QC issues. Was a retailer exclusive as I recall and said retailer spent most of a night sifting out the unacceptable models.

As for pre ordering, I think it depends on how popular the livery is. If another polished AA 727 was announced by Gemini, could be advisable to PO it. Sure, there's always a chance some might make it to retailer shelves... but would you risk not pre ordering if it's a model you really want.
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Waited for what seemed like a year for my 1/400 JCW's Cargolux 'Cutatway' Livery 747-8f. Just forgot about it and then one day my secretary said I had a package on my desk and there it was. As mentioned by some, GJ is the best when it comes to arrival dates. My retailer has them on hand a month after they are announced. Can't get better than that imo.
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It's been 9 months since announcement and still no ANA Pokemon 747 to be seen.
This is getting ridiculous.
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Inflight Canadian 747 Goose livery, pre ordered May 2017.
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Finally received my Air NZ DC-10 last week.

4 or so months after announcement date...

Which DC10 was that? I've one still on pre order since July 2017,
InFlight 200 1:200 Air New Zealand McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30 ZK-NZS (IFDC100617P) which according to the info from where I've ordered from in Aus its now due in March/April 2018.

My oldest order dates from June 2017 which is still listed as November/December 2017 arrival, and still no word.
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Which DC10 was that? I've one still on pre order since July 2017,
InFlight 200 1:200 Air New Zealand McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30 ZK-NZS (IFDC100617P) which according to the info from where I've ordered from in Aus its now due in March/April 2018.

My oldest order dates from June 2017 which is still listed as November/December 2017 arrival, and still no word.
Yeap, this one is the same, ZK-NZS. I've had it for just over 3 months now.
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Yeap, this one is the same, ZK-NZS. I've had it for just over 3 months now.
Got mine about a month ago......
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Is anybody still waiting for the Korean 747-400? Didn’t want to make a new thread about it, but it’s been about 6 months since preorder, and it sold out quickly I believe.
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Yeap, this one is the same, ZK-NZS. I've had it for just over 3 months now.
Just out of curiosity, Where do you order your models from?
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I've waited a year plus for some models - IF200 YAL-1 Airborne Laser, JCW 787-10 House, etc.

That 787-10 finally came in this past week or so. Picked it up today from the shop.

What's annoying is, the only way to get the models is via pre-order, then there is zero communication from the manufacturer to the retailer so there is absolutely no way to know where the hell the model is. The model is announced, you have mere days to get in the pre-order, then you wait anywhere between 1-12+ months, and maybe someday it shows up and suddenly it's your problem to drop everything and come and get it.

Annoying, but it's the only way to get the items you like.
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Hahaha, Jumper...That's an awful long to time to wait for a model! Do you always pick up from a shop? From previous posts you've made - is it Burbank?

I've never waited this long...I hardly ever pre-order. But the Korean Air 747 was ordered on eBay, and although the seller assured my order, it's long gone under "My Purchases".
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Phoenix and Gemini are generally very good with their timing, typically a month or at worse two after their announcements.

I haven't had much dealings with Inflight but JCWings' timing is terrible, they really should not call it (month) releases, but announcement.

It might be a ploy to get collectors to hold back on their procurement with other manufacturers because, and they really do, have quality products and their flaps down editions are amazing, and they know it.

If not, from what you all have been discussing above, could they be made-to-(pre)order?
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What can we do as collectors, to push back on the manufacturers so we get our models in a reasonable timeframe.
To be honest, I think over 3 months is a ridiculous time to wait for a model let alone 9 (my current waiting timeframe).
I think there should be some sort of refund involved due to the delay but it seems like the consumer can't really do anything at all?
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Just out of curiosity, where do you order your models from?
I purchase locally (New Zealand) which can be quite a cost at times however other times I buy from CAM or CAWA.
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10+ months' wait after putting a pre-order on a 1:400 JC Wings Cathay Pacific L-1011 (VR-HHL), back in May 2017, I've finally given up and got my money back. As others have said, pre-ordering is a waste of time!
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Similarly, JCWings' 1:400 SilkAir Boeing B737-800 MAX 'Delivery' 9V-MBA that was slotted into November 2017 release, this is March 2018 already, still on pre-order. Seriously, 4 months already.

JCWings, if you are reading this threads' frustrations, perhaps consider stopping any further announcements until you caught up with your backlog? That is, on the proviso, that you're not running on a (pre)order-to-make business(?).

As it is, your months after months of 'releases' is now so confusing just trying to figure out which is when.
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Hahaha, Jumper...That's an awful long to time to wait for a model! Do you always pick up from a shop? From previous posts you've made - is it Burbank?
Something like 95% of the time, yes I do go through a local shop, and yes, for me it's BHoH. To be clear, I don't fault the shop in this at all - they've been very patient with me - I just wish there was a better way with some brands, but there really isn't. There's little to no communication from China (and likely won't ever be), obviously none when the items go into the containers and thru the voyage across the sea, through customs clearance and then trucking to the distributor, and then back to the shops...

Sometimes the only indication that something is on its way is when other outlets start releasing photos, like shops in Hong Kong or Japan, or Inflight or ARD over in the UK...but then there's a good month or two from that point on. And like I said, some models you don't hear anything, and they just eventually show up one day. Sucks from a budgeting perspective!

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Looks like the ANA Pokemon has FINALLY been made after 10 whole long months of waiting! What't the bet it's going to be another 2 months until I actually receive mine though haha!

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I think the longest I have ever waited is 8 months and it was on a JFox model. The complete unknown of when a model will come in is the exact reason I will only preorder from retailers that charge me when the model ships, not when I place my preorder.
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Old 04-29-2018, 09:47 AM   #41
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I think the longest I have ever waited is 8 months and it was on a JFox model. The complete unknown of when a model will come in is the exact reason I will only preorder from retailers that charge me when the model ships, not when I place my preorder.
I have the opposite reasoning. Because I don't know when a model will eventually be shipped, I like to pay once I order. That way I know the models are paid for already. Has several advantages:

I don't have to worry that 10 models I 'pre-ordered', but haven't paid for arrive at the retailer at the same time, thereby a 'shock' to the bank account.

Pre-paying makes so much more sense for budgeting purposes.
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Old 04-29-2018, 02:24 PM   #42
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I have the opposite reasoning. Because I don't know when a model will eventually be shipped, I like to pay once I order. That way I know the models are paid for already. Has several advantages:

I don't have to worry that 10 models I 'pre-ordered', but haven't paid for arrive at the retailer at the same time, thereby a 'shock' to the bank account.

Pre-paying makes so much more sense for budgeting purposes.
I get that, I more or less do the same thing except I move the money to my savings account when I preorder a model. I'd rather get interest on it for 6 or 8 months than let the retailer hold my money, plus I feel like I'd be far more aggravated if I had been waiting 6-8 months with no ETA and my money is already gone.
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Old 04-29-2018, 05:16 PM   #43
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When I pre order, I am paying a deposit of £5.00 and not the full price of the model. The balance is payable prior to the dispatch. I can't believe you're shelling out the full price for something that's not even manufactured. What will you do if, say, the retailer goes bust? I don't believe you will have any cover unless your order is over £100, in the UK anyway
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Old 04-29-2018, 09:43 PM   #44
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I am still waiting for my Korean 744 from JFox, which I have purchased in August 2017 from BuyGoneWorld.

I know that the actual model has already relist, but I have been told that they will have-back order, so still keep waiting and seller doesnt know when its gonna be in their stock.
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I am still waiting for my Korean 744 from JFox, which I have purchased in August 2017 from BuyGoneWorld.

I know that the actual model has already relist, but I have been told that they will have-back order, so still keep waiting and seller doesnt know when its gonna be in their stock.
I don't know about the back-order...once these sell out they rarely put through another production run. Might ask your retailer to help you reserve the new one JF-747-4-038 instead of waiting for the one you ordered in 2017.
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:55 PM   #46
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I don't know about the back-order...once these sell out they rarely put through another production run. Might ask your retailer to help you reserve the new one JF-747-4-038 instead of waiting for the one you ordered in 2017.
Actually when I realized that this model has been released, it was already sold out everywhere, but then I found on ebay and purchased as soon as and only that I read that it is not in stock at the moment, so I messaged to seller and have been told that they will ship at as soon as it arrives to their store. But I suppose it still hasn't. I've message them a few times, but they also don't have any info and kindly asked me to wait. I don't know if it is common or not, but this is how it is.

And, yes, I have purchased new released Korean Air 744 and 743 from local retailer in Korea.

So, I was thinking to wait until August 2018 when it will be a year since I purchased and if there will not be any updates, I will ask for refund.
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Old 04-30-2018, 04:21 PM   #47
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I've found that Spence at buygoneworld is incredibly cordial. I'm waiting for the first Korean 747-400 also. There is a difference between that one and the newer release...not just reg numbers either
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Old 05-01-2018, 02:22 PM   #48
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Still waiting on my 1:200 JC Wings Malaysia Airbus Industries A350-900 9M-MAC which I ordered (and paid) for back in October 2017 .. *sigh*
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Old 05-01-2018, 02:38 PM   #49
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I never pre-order, well to be correct, I've never had to, as my local retailers will reserve them for me without pre-payment.

Anyway there are very few models that will be sold out when released.

The only one I can remember was the Trump 757 that I know people missed out and had to deal with eBay etc.

Were there any others?

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My record is 7 months. A few years ago KLM 747 Cargo.
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