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Old 11-25-2017, 11:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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When you take a closer look, what i usually do (not only because of the price), you see that the windowline on the right is sitting on a higher level than on the left. Only the left windowline in the rear between door 4 and 5 wits on the same heigth as the windowline on the right side. In my humble opinion this issue is pretty annoying.

When anybody wants me to make a list about Pro's and Con's it would look like this:

PRO
  1. Cockpit shape spot on
  2. Engines do look more accurate than on the JCW mould
  3. Nosecone looks more accurate than on the JCW mould (although it could be a little pointier)

CON
  1. Landing gear too short (engine/ground clearence)
  2. Pax doors too big (heigth) compared to engine diameter
  3. Artwork (pax-doors/windowline)

PS:
  • the Engine diameter on the IF mould smaller than on the JCW mould - which one is correct?
  • the wings are thinner on the JCW mould which also would suit the Inflight counterpart, but hey.
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If you'd put the JCW undercarriage on the IF mould you have the best engine/ground clearence imo. The pics are little misleading because the JCW landing gear does not fit 1:1 into the IF200 holes, as stated before (it should sit approximately 1-2mm lower than shown on the pics). Door shape/heigth revised too. The Inflight undercarriage is ok, it is jsut too short.

Conclusion:

IF Inflight could improve their quality artwork-wise i wholeheartly get other IF200 77Ws aswell. Though i have to say artwork issues are not an IF exclusive, but all in all they more or less constantly have issues which imho could aesily be avoided when they spend more time on research and prodcution process itself.
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Great review. Thanks for the pics.
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When you take a closer look, which i usually do (not only because of the price), you see that the windowline on the right is sitting on a higher level than on the left. Only the left windowline in the rear between door 4 and 5 wits on the same heigth as the windowline on the right side. In my humble opinion this issue is pretty annoying.

When anybody wants me to make a list about Pro's and Con's it would look like this:

PRO
  1. Cockpit shape spot on Agree
  2. Engines do look more accurate than on the JCW mould Also agree
  3. Nosecone looks more accurate than on the JCW mould (although it could be a little pointier) I actually think the nose on both IF and JCW models should be a little blunter, The 777 uses a 767 nose and cockpit with a fairly rounded nose cone.

CON
  1. Landing gear too short (engine/ground clearence) Easy fix I'll mention below.
  2. Pax doors too big (heigth) compared to engine diameter JCW and IF doors are almost exactly the same height (I have both), although the IF doors are a little wider.
  3. Artwork (pax-doors/windowline) Agreed, but may be an issue with that section of window printing on just your model. Like the 747, I disagree with you on this one in general though. IF is usually pretty good with their window printing and cheatlines

PS:
  • the Engine diameter on the IF mould smaller than on the JCW mould - which one is correct? Neither. The real GE-90-115bs are 13'7" in diameter. The JCW engine is too big by 0.04mm, and the IF engine is too small by o.03mm, so the IF engine is technically closer, but who cares about 0.03 0r 0.04mm
  • the wings are thinner on the JCW mould which also would suit the Inflight counterpart, but hey.
I think the main thing Inflight could fix on the landing gear is 1. make the nose gear wheel slightly smaller, and 2. add some more detail to the gear as you mentioned. Other than that, they aren't bad.

One small fix to the mains that you can make is to put a small piece of wire or dowel in the outer edge of the wheel well. It makes the landing gear more vertical and makes model sit better with a little more engine clearance. The real problem with both JCW and IF models is that the engine pylons place the engines slightly too low in relation to the leading edge of the wing (top of the engione cowl should be same height as the wing leading edge), there by reducing the ground clearance of the engines. IF left the nose gear 'as is' and JCW made theirs too long to compensate.

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I had one Inflight200 77W but I ended up trading it for something else. I liked the heft of the model (Very heavy) but the landing gear and quality of the antennas and such made me get rid of it
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I have purchased several IF 77W's and I have been really happen with each of them. Before I would ONLY buy JC Wings or Gemini. But lately with the long front landing gear on those, I've stopped buy those all together. I do like the Inflight 777's, no model is perfect, but IF has done a good job with them.

Ordered the Ethiopian 77W this week....should arrive late next week.
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I am willing to give them another chance. Will have a look at other models and I am sure that at least one will join my collection
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I think the main thing Inflight could fix on the landing gear is 1. make the nose gear wheel slightly smaller, and 2. add some more detail to the gear as you mentioned. Other than that, they aren't bad.

One small fix to the mains that you can make is to put a small piece of wire or dowel in the outer edge of the wheel well. It makes the landing gear more vertical and makes model sit better with a little more engine clearance. The real problem with both JCW and IF models is that the engine pylons place the engines slightly too low in relation to the leading edge of the wing (top of the engione cowl should be same height as the wing leading edge), there by reducing the ground clearance of the engines. IF left the nose gear 'as is' and JCW made theirs too long to compensate.
There is a difference between the doors.

And the windowline is different on each side - it is not only that it sits too high, On the right side it sits 1-1,5mm higher than on the left, and imho taht is even worse than a simple misplaced cheatline.
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It would better illustrate your point if you had pics of BOTH sides of your model. The window line on the side you show looks fine to me (look at the 1:1 pic above), although the doors could be slightly smaller on the IF model. The doors on the United model were printed smaller so the gold cheatline lined up with the too high nose. To confirm, look at the height of the doors over the wing, which are too high. BTW, the door and cockpit window printing, as well as the very long nose gear looks bad on the United model. Probably not the best model to use for this comparison.

I'm pretty sure this is a one off mistake. If the window line truly is off that much, or the door size bothers you that much, I would return the model for replacement or refund. I have quite a few Inflight 777-300ERS (8-10) and NONE of them have this window issue.

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The biggest problem for me on Inflight's 777 is the nose gear. It lacks detail like their 787's, and the gear bay door doesn't follow the fuselage like the JCW version.
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Have to agree with both those points. They should be easy fixes for Inflight, but should be upgraded. I don't mind the nose gear so much (I think the wheel rim is slightly too large, tire slightly too small), but it would definitely improve the look of the model if both items were fixed.
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I had one Inflight200 77W but I ended up trading it for something else. I liked the heft of the model (Very heavy) but the landing gear and quality of the antennas and such made me get rid of it
Wait a minute I`m confused considering this thread.
http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...h-anymore.html
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These pics show the difference pretty well imho.
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I think if you are complaining about the cheatlines/window line being uneven on either side of YOUR model, you need to show BOTH sides of YOUR model taken from the SAME CAMERA ANGLE AND DISTANCE. The camera angle looks like it is different in the pics of each side (see the angle of the wing, up view vs. down view in left vs. right pics) so it is hard to see your point about the difference in height of each side. But the windows on the IF model do appear to be the same height on both sides when compared to the GJ when you account for the distance of the pic from the models, unless the GJ model has the same problem.

If your argument is that the window line on your model is printed SLIGHTLY high, I agree with that, although that is not typical for Inflight 777s, as stated before.

I seems to me that you are looking very hard for a reason not to like the Inflight model. If you don't like the model, why don't you return it for a refund and be done with it?

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The distance is the same on both pics, maybe not the angle in the first pic.

But HERE you got the same angle and the same distance. And the difference between the windowlines is rougly 1,5mm - which should be pretty obvious in this scale. Plus there is also a difference between the pax door sizes.

As i said above: the overall i like the model and the mould actually is pretty good - but my aim is that IF200 might solve their quality control problem. The artwork on the 747 and 777 are not the only issues Inflight has to work on.

There have also been discussions on their 707, 720, 727, 737, Caravelle if you remember. the 77W is not a "one-hit-wonder".

Lets put is this way: the Inflight mould is more accurate, but the artwork (except the cockpit shape) is better on the JCW model.
Keeping an eye on the artwork is way cheaper imho, than revising the whole mould due to QC issues or bad research. So when Inflight themselves accept that there ARE QC issues, what to me is pretty obvious (artwork or production wise - depending on the model/mould) the artwork problem should be solved pretty quickly.
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