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Old 11-06-2017, 10:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Because I am sick and tired of all the Model bashing and why this model has bad gear and this one has bad cockpit windows and etc.

I collect because I enjoy my models. Yes, some may have minor issues, but at least I do not blow it out of proportion like some others do.

What is the purpose of a hobby when there are so many complainers? I thought we were all lovers of 1:200 models?

Show some Love and not Hate!!!!
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Without comments, there is no improvement. And we have seen many improvements because of negative member comments (747 nose, 777 engines, A330 nose). The efforts may not have always been successful, but the effort is there.

HOWEVER, forum rules do state that critical comments should not be posted in member's photo threads, and these comments should be limited to 'pre-view' or other threads (sorry Crownvic, manufacturer threads should be fair game). I do agree we do seem to be getting a little sloppy with that rule, and it makes it much less fun to post pics of new models the we get.
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Honestly, for me, everyone can post what he wants as long as he's sticking to a thread's topic and reasonable behavior. That's all I would and do ask from members of a forum like this.

The natural meaning of a 'discussion forum' is exchange of opinion - no matter what a member's opinion is (in the pro/con relation). Negative comments aren't automatically 'bashing' - and positive comments shall not be held as 'security' for a perfect model.

In essence: come over here, if you like to. Don't, if you're fed up with - for your personal welfare. Maybe just take a forum break and come in later again.
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I am not mad, just do not want to see arguments and stuff like that
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I'm bothered that you are complaining about collectors pointing out flaws. Why should I spend hundreds of dollars on models that have flaws or inaccuracies? I express myself so that (hopefully) they recognize the errors and make future improvements. Obviously I enjoy collecting 1/200, hence why I keep pointing out the manufacturers mistakes. If I find a model is worthy, i'll mention it on the forums and sometimes provide photos to promote my opinion of how good it is.

The fact you don't have as much attention to detail is just what the manufacturers want from collectors. They can produce total crap and some people will still buy it because they can't tell what the actual model looks like.

Do I appreciate these manufactures releasing models? Of course. Do I think they are putting in 100% effort? Not a chance. I've mentioned it before, there is nothing stopping these producers from asking collectors or people who work around these aircraft to see if their pre-production models are correct.

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Changed my mind, not deleting the thread. To hell with it
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You create a thread with your opinion yet ask a moderator to step in to delete it because of other people’s opinions that you disagree with??

This is no place for Snowflake Behavior
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You create a thread with your opinion yet ask a moderator to step in to delete it because of other people’s opinions that you disagree with??

This is no place for Snowflake Behavior
I do not care anymore.
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I think Charlie Alpha is spot on about critiques. Just doesn't have to turn personal or mean spirited.
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Leslie,what is going on? You have been a member for a long time. People are entitled to an opinion on any subject matter,not just model airplanes. I like hearing what other collector's have to say. I can't think of a single model I have decided against buying,because of a revue,good or bad. For example,a member can say that a particular nose shape is wrong. I look at it,and say,close enough.Actually,I take my previous comment back. I avoid Inflight 200,727's. The tail really is incorrect. I only own one example because of this. (Wardair)
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Huh....interesting..
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I guess I am just sick and tired of all the BS. Sorry, will crawl back into my hole
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I guess I am just sick and tired of all the BS. Sorry, will crawl back into my hole
Excellent idea
Maybe spend some time with your cuckoo birds
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Never mind. I have decided to delete this comment.
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Never mind. I have decided to delete this comment.
Don't let it get to you. I don't like a lot of the negativity myself.

But overall there are many helpful people on the forum. Learned much about the hobby.
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This one poster always gets my goat, but does this one person know the hell I am going through right now in my life, with a very sick husband, etc? of course not.

I will just not post anymore.
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This one poster always gets my goat, but does this one person know the hell I am going through right now in my life, with a very sick husband, etc? of course not.

I will just not post anymore.
I don't post much either these days after being on this forum for years. The content has become a bit 'same same' but I still post on certain things that interest me. It used to be much more fun and interesting in the past but things change....

Just remember that its a big forum with lots of other collectors with varied opinions. Some opinions and standards make me laugh whilst others are more my style and just enjoy the hobby and what it offers.

Let the rivet counters count their rivets - its their loss if their standards are so high that their expectations are never met....whilst the others just get on with and enjoy the product...no matter how good or bad it is.

Keep posting - no need to run and hide.
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I'm not the nit picking type but there have been changes to many molds because of people expressing the need for change wich is a good thing. As Jan stated, we are not buying toys but expensive (more and more expensive) models. If you pay 100-150 dollars for a piece of metal, the quality must be right. I am a collector of model trains aswell and the nit picking on fora there is far worse
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I'm in agreement with the OP. I am fed up with members nit-picking when someone has paid for, and and taken time out to post pictures of a model.
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Hey Leslie, I hope the picture below brings a smile to your face. That's your A340-600 that you sold to me. As you can see she made it all the way down to the land of "OZ". She has joined the rest of the family and like I said to you, she'll be very well looked after. Thank you very much. You keep on posting your pics, especially the forever "Queen of the Skies".


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I'm in agreement with the OP. I am fed up with members nit-picking when someone has paid for, and and taken time out to post pictures of a model.
That is why forum rules prohibit critique of a model in member's picture post for over a year or so now. I see the problem as little/no enforcement of this rule.
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Old 11-07-2017, 10:17 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I think the majority of the complaints are absurd. I mean, some people want to say there is too much of a gap between the front landing gear of the 717. If you blow up a pic 100x and then measure then maybe you’ll see a noticeable difference.

With that being said, this thread is narcissistic, provocative and repetitive.
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A lot of forums can be something of a ‘bear pit’ at times, and this one is no exception. Leslie, buy and post pictures of the models that make you happy to own. It’s nice if others share your feelings about them, but if they don’t, it’s no biggie, it’s what you think of them that really matters. If your models make you proud to have them in your collection, then thats all to the good. Over the years I’ve been on here I’ve had my fair share of ‘maulings’ from other members, a bit unerving to start with, but I got the hang of it eventually. Just keep the pictures coming, we can’t enjoy seeing your collection if you don’t.

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Hey Leslie, I hope the picture below brings a smile to your face. That's your A340-600 that you sold to me. As you can see she made it all the way down to the land of "OZ". She has joined the rest of the family and like I said to you, she'll be very well looked after. Thank you very much. You keep on posting your pics, especially the forever "Queen of the Skies".


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Old 11-07-2017, 11:32 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Like others mentioned, a break could probably be helpful. I do that all the time. Works like a charm.
I haven't bought a single model for almost three years now, because I just don't care anymore. Subsequently my activity has been very limited during that time. Still, I check back regularly (weekly-monthly) and that's the perfect balance for me.

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I'm in agreement with the OP. I am fed up with members nit-picking when someone has paid for, and and taken time out to post pictures of a model.
Yep...tis the way of the world...... when you have spent a couple of hours post processing and the usual suspects who hardly ever post a picture come along with their two word answers...... bah humbug...

Gotta love dem Inflight tails though...



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Yep...tis the way of the world...... when you have spent a couple of hours post processing and the usual suspects who hardly ever post a picture come along with their two word answers...... bah humbug...

Gotta love dem Inflight tails though...



so... adapt adopt and improve...



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Your pics are the STANDARD for this forum. Miss your regular posts with new releases....your pics made me buy several models over the years.
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Your pics are the STANDARD for this forum. Miss your regular posts with new releases....your pics made me buy several models over the years.
Sorry about that.....

The regular posts have dried up a little as the loft is full and work consumes 23 out of the 24 hours.. However the recent AC200 releases have fueled a little spark..

Anyway ...Inflight 727's... love em... yer just looking at them form the wrong angles...

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What is the thing that I love most about scale models? They are physical representations of the real thing that I can hold in my hand. The more accurate a model, the better. I remember building Hasegawa model kits of 747s and L-1011s when I was young. Were they perfectly accurate models? No, but they were pretty good in terms of accuracy considering this was in the 1980s, and also they were mass produced plastic model kits. Then, Herpa gave us the Premium Series. I have gotten a couple of 727s, A300s and 747s over the years and looking at the models now, they still represent the gold standard of accuracy. The point I'm trying to make is that accuracy CAN be achieved with attention to detail from manufacturers. It's now 2017 and in general, the standard of models has risen, but at times it has fallen. Models are being rushed out and errors are not corrected, release after release. It's a case of quantity over quality. I find it absurd when people get angry or upset when mistakes/inaccuracies are pointed out on these forums.

The funny thing is that the only reason why Herpa got the premium series so right, (especially the 727 and A300), is because the Herpa designers counted rivets, and they were OCD about size and shape of each part of the model down to very small measurement units. Do the Herpa Premium designers deserve to be ridiculed and attacked for their OCD tendencies? The same kind of attacks that we so often see on these forums when members point out flaws? And don't tell me that comparing Herpa Premium models with IF200 and JC is comparing apples and oranges. IF200 have done some great models as have JC, but it hasn't been consistent. In some areas is room for improvement, in others areas merely returning to the previous standard is sufficient. Case in point: the JC 747. After initially being impressed with them, I have stopped buying them because after a few good releases early on, they started releasing them with tall nose gear which caused them to sit with a nose up attitude, which looks strange for a 747. IF200, on the other hand, still releases 747s which sit with a nose down attitude. Can't either manufacturer release a 747 model that sits straight and level like a real 747? It would go a long way towards making it a more realistic model.

Accuracy is what is trying to be achieved here.

From time to time, I collect other types of models: cars, trains and visit those forums. Other collectors there also give criticism when models don't represent the real thing accurately. What is so different about 1/200 airplane models that its collectors are so fearful of seeing criticism?

I hope we airliner scale model collectors can all learn to live in harmony. Those who take accuracy seriously should show respect by not posting criticism in picture posts and should also show restraint at times. But at the same time, when those with an eye for detail point out inaccuracies/mistakes, their opinion should be looked at and respected. They are doing us all a favour by giving constructive criticism. Respect is a two way street.

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Thank you!!

My feelings exactly, and I could not have said it better myself. But at the same time, member picture posts, as mentioned, are probably not the best time for stinging criticism.
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If no one would have said some words about the ugly looking first JC 747 front sections, they would still look the same, a340300 is bringing it to the point. Have a look at the 90s Herpa 1:500s, that‘s been toys, you would not want to buy again today. Or can you now imagine a 1:200 diecast model with no antennas ........ We are paying some nice amount of our earned money for these models, so we are the ones, the manufacturers should listen to, but as this is often ignored and nice model come to sale with major flaws, it seems as they do not want to listen to their customers, and just want to grab the money. That is the reason for sometimes harder words when models are shown with such wrong details.
a340300 got it right, as there is also different types of collectors, ones who do not care too much about the smallest details, and the other ones. Respect for both sides, and we all could be happy here. :-)
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