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Old 09-27-2017, 07:00 PM   #1
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The Herpa "Grenoble" version is sold out - however I keep looking on Ebay. I recently came across the 1:200 "Picardie" by Sky Classics on aviationretaildirect.

Is anyone familiar with Sky Classics and able to comment on the quality? I assume for $187 these are decent.

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Welcome to the forum my friend.

Its seems that the Sky Classics Caravelle is the model initially produced by Heathrow Models, a short lived manufacturer, it was available some twenty years ago from CAM at the Sheraton Skyline hotel (LHR).
Heathtrow Models was taken over by Skyline and now the model is produced by Sky Classics.

Don't expect something exceptional but for a model produced in 1997, it was not that bad, even if the nose and the rear fuselage could have been a bit more accurate.
In those days we were very happy with that.
Don't expect rolling wheels, unless the landing gear was modified.
And also, just like many models, the screws under the fuselage were standard.

I attach a few pictures of my model, for comparison, the last one is the Hogan model.
The Hogan model is the best Caravelle ever produced.
I have to say that I am not impressed by the ARD product.

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Personally, I don't think anything other than the Eiffel Tower, good food, fine wines and the Citroen DS19 car, epitomise France more than the Caravelle. Only the French could have come up with such a beautiful airliner. It is and always will be my favourite jetliner. I've been lucky enough to have made several flights on them.

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Thank you Neil.

I'll ask my Président, Mr Macron to make you an honorary citizen of the city of Paris.

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I always wondered why the French Republic or Air France haven't preserved an airworthy Caravelle... Lufthansa is at the moment restoring a Lockheed L-1649A "Super Star" for museum-flights:

Lufthansa Super Star:*Home

I wonder if a major carrier will ever consider to do the same with one of the first-generation jetliners.
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Welcome to the forum my friend.

Its seems that the Sky Classics Caravelle is the model initially produced by Heathrow Models, a short lived manufacturer, it was available some twenty years ago from CAM at the Sheraton Skyline hotel (LHR).
Heathtrow Models was taken over by Skyline and now the model is produced by Sky Classics.

Don't expect something exceptional but for a model produced in 1997, it was not that bad, even if the nose and the rear fuselage could have been a bit more accurate.
In those days we were very happy with that.
Don't expect rolling wheels, unless the landing gear was modified.
And also, just like many models, the screws under the fuselage were standard.

I attach a few pictures of my model, for comparison, the last one is the Hogan model.
The Hogan model is the best Caravelle ever produced.
I have to say that I am not impressed by the ARD product.

Jean Pierre.
Merci JP - so yeah that model is most definitely not worth $187 for - especially given the 2 huge screws - that's just hideous.

I will continue to hold out for the Hogan Grenoble Caravelle in AF livery for my AF collection ...

I finally received the Gemini A340-300 in AF livery last week after weeks and weeks of searching, so maybe the Hogan will show up eventually.

As mentioned, the Caravelle is such a classic beauty - the iconic French aircraft of the 60's.

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Thank you Neil.

I'll ask my Président, Mr Macron to make you an honorary citizen of the city of Paris.

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You're very kind sir! Here's my 1/50 Finnair 10B.
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Have Hogan Air France, Air Inter, Swissair and Alitalia.
Note there were two different Air France releases F-BHRB Lorraine and F-BJTE Grenoble.

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Nice picture !

There was also two versions of the Air Inter livery, I only have the one shown on your picture.

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I always wondered why the French Republic or Air France haven't preserved an airworthy Caravelle... Lufthansa is at the moment restoring a Lockheed L-1649A "Super Star" for museum-flights:

Lufthansa Super Star:*Home

I wonder if a major carrier will ever consider to do the same with one of the first-generation jetliners.
Well there is one ex-Air Inter Caravelle parked @ Rennes airport and it has been moved 400 metres into a hangar for planned restoration.
The article was published not later than yesterday (in french)
https://www.ouest-france.fr/bretagne...e-400m-5277662
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Personally, I don't think anything other than the Eiffel Tower, good food, fine wines and the Citroen DS19 car, epitomise France more than the Caravelle. Only the French could have come up with such a beautiful airliner. It is and always will be my favourite jetliner. I've been lucky enough to have made several flights on them.

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I agree, however, the Caravelle borrowed the de Havilland Comet's nose. They licensed the entire cockpit design. But it still works.
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Partially true.

Initially two Comet's noses were acquired and delivered from the Hatfield production line.
The cockpits of the prototypes were very similar to that of the Comet.

But because of the Comet's problems the structure was completely reworked for the production aircraft, also the cockpit layout was significantly modified.

Using the noses bought from De Havilland, the two prototypes of the Caravelle were not allowed to fly more than 1500 h.

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Interesting facts Jean Pierre. Although I never flew in the Caravelle, I was able to pay her several visits. There is a private collector nearby that owns the real thing in air france colors. She is a little worn out by the sun and climate but still a beauty. I am glad that I purchased the hogan version of the caravelle along with herpa's LTU version.
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I heard of this collector.

I attach an interesting picture showing the Comet nose bought from Hatfield.

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It is nearby for me in a small village named Baarlo. The aircrafts name is Alsace and the reg is F-BHRA. Do you Know more about it's previous flying career Jean Pierre?
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It is nearby for me in a small village named Baarlo. The aircrafts name is Alsace and the reg is F-BHRA. Do you Know more about it's previous flying career Jean Pierre?
Hello Tom.

This aircraft was one of the many Caravelles used by AF.
Delivered in May 1959, it was retired in December 1977.
The last flight of a Caravelle took place in 1981 between AMS and CDG.

It was a great aircraft very pleasant to fly, the noise level in the cabin and in the cockpit was remarkably low, so low that we never used headsets for radio communication.

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Hi Jean Pierre, Such a great looking and beautiful aircraft. It is also good news that the Air Inter Caravelle is being restored. This is so important and goes without saying. What you may not know Jean Pierre is that in 1954 TAA's (Trans Australia Airlines) Director of Engineering John Watkins saw the prototype of the Sud Caravelle in Toulouse. This enthusiasm for the Carravelle later grew to TAA wanting to purchase two of these aircraft for their major trunk routes Melbourne Sydney Melbourne. The Australian Government two airline policy meant that both airlines had agreed to fly the same aircraft and Sir Reginald Ansett chose the DC9 and in huge argument with the Australian Government he won and that was that for the Caravelle flying in Australia. I do see however that the " Day Glow" orange of the Air Inter was copied on the TAA aircraft of that period.
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I always wondered why the French Republic or Air France haven't preserved an airworthy Caravelle... Lufthansa is at the moment restoring a Lockheed L-1649A "Super Star" for museum-flights:

Lufthansa Super Star:*Home

I wonder if a major carrier will ever consider to do the same with one of the first-generation jetliners.
I got note the 'museum flights' idea has changed a little bit - but at least they ARE continuing the restoration of that 1649.
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Hello Tom.

This aircraft was one of the many Caravelles used by AF.
Delivered in May 1959, it was retired in December 1977.
The last flight of a Caravelle took place in 1981 between AMS and CDG.

It was a great aircraft very pleasant to fly, the noise level in the cabin and in the cockpit was remarkably low, so low that we never used headsets for radio communication.

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Tank you, very interesting.
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I got note the 'museum flights' idea has changed a little bit - but at least they ARE continuing the restoration of that 1649.
Sorry for the off-topic question - but what kind of flights do they have in mind?
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It was a great aircraft very pleasant to fly, the noise level in the cabin and in the cockpit was remarkably low, so low that we never used headsets for radio communication.
Must have been a great experience as a pilot.
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Personally, I don't think anything other than the Eiffel Tower, good food, fine wines and the Citroen DS19 car, epitomise France more than the Caravelle. Only the French could have come up with such a beautiful airliner. It is and always will be my favourite jetliner. I've been lucky enough to have made several flights on them.

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Yes, France has given the world a cornucopia of elegant design icons over the centuries. The country and Paris just never ceases to amaze me. The Caravelle is certainly one in my very small list of favourite iconic jetliners, too!
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The Herpa "Grenoble" version is sold out - however I keep looking on Ebay. I recently came across the 1:200 "Picardie" by Sky Classics on aviationretaildirect.

Is anyone familiar with Sky Classics and able to comment on the quality? I assume for $187 these are decent.

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It is very likely that eventually you will have to snag a Hogan AF version, and when you do, you will not be disappointed (although the flight deck windscreen is a tad of a let-down, unlike the AirInter one posted here). Nice colours, pretty accurate with tasteful packaging. Yes, Hogan did a decent job. Now if they only did another AF run to fix that windscreen.
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Hello Christopher, how are you ?

Yes you are right, the cockpit windows of the AF Caravelle could have been better, this is the reason why I modified my models with home made decals.

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Well thank you, Jean Pierre.

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Yes you are right, the cockpit windows of the AF Caravelle could have been better, this is the reason why I modified my models with home made decals.

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Yes, they sure could be. But the updated flight deck windscreens of a couple of the other Hogan Caravelles looked really good (the Air Inter comes to mind -- almost bought that one)!! Your decal solution looks quite good as well. I may give that a go with mine yet when I get some spare time later.
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Interesting discussion about the most beautiful jet ever built. At this moment I've just started the build of an Air Inter Caravelle III (with a corrected nose). I'll post it in the custom section once finished.

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I always wondered why the French Republic or Air France haven't preserved an airworthy Caravelle... Lufthansa is at the moment restoring a Lockheed L-1649A "Super Star" for museum-flights:
There is an (almost) airworthy Caravelle III in Sweden. It's not only very expensive to maintain and to fly the old Avon or JD8D engines, it also makes an incredible noise. It is simply not allowed in Europe to fly these types anymore.

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The last flight of a Caravelle took place in 1981 between AMS and CDG.
You mean, the last flight of the Caravelle displayed in Baarlo, the Netherlands? (Which is actually the first production Caravelle c/n 1) Because the last flight of a Caravelle world wide was in July 2005 (Waltair of Kinshasa, Congo. A model 10 Caravelle, registration 9Q-CPI).

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Wow, 2005 that's not to long ago!
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Hi Vintage Jet.

I had the AF Caravelles in mind …
The Caravelle displayed at Baarlo was retired in Nov 1975 and the last flight of an AF Caravelle was made on 28 March 1981 between AMS and CDG by the F-BHRY.

Thank you for the information about the very last flight of this aircraft.
At the end of their life, most of the Caravelles were flown in South America or Africa.

I look forward to seeing your Air Inter Caravelle …

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Jean Pierre,

I just send you an PM reply, can you confirm receivement? For some reason I am not able to see send PM anymore.

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I just send you an PM reply, can you confirm receivement? For some reason I am not able to see send PM anymore.

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Welcome to the forum my friend.

Its seems that the Sky Classics Caravelle is the model initially produced by Heathrow Models, a short lived manufacturer, it was available some twenty years ago from CAM at the Sheraton Skyline hotel (LHR).
Heathtrow Models was taken over by Skyline and now the model is produced by Sky Classics.

Don't expect something exceptional but for a model produced in 1997, it was not that bad, even if the nose and the rear fuselage could have been a bit more accurate.
In those days we were very happy with that.
Don't expect rolling wheels, unless the landing gear was modified.
And also, just like many models, the screws under the fuselage were standard.

I attach a few pictures of my model, for comparison, the last one is the Hogan model.
The Hogan model is the best Caravelle ever produced.
I have to say that I am not impressed by the ARD product.

Jean Pierre.
Who made the Swissair and Alitalia ones. Was that also Hogan?
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The Swissair was Hogan.
There were two versions of Alitalia, the old colors made by Hogan and the new livery produced by Herpa (same mold).

The Swissair Caravelle was also produced long time ago by Old Western Models

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The Swissair was Hogan.
There were two versions of Alitalia, the old colors made by Hogan and the new livery produced by Herpa (same mold).

The Swissair Caravelle was also produced long time ago by Old Western Models

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Thanks for the input. I have all three Hogans then. I'll have to pull them out again. I do recall liking the mold.

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I think I might have one back home. Was this in a silver paper box from a few years ago?
I would trade it for a 1/200 Malev 737 one world.
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Beautiful aircraft, remember Aero Lloyd, Sterling and Syrian Air fly them in the early 80's at my home base airport, have 5 examples in my collection, Hogan AIR FRANCE, SWISSAIR, ALITALIA, Herpa LTU and ARD JAT.

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There is also this very nice, polished China Airlines model.

I bought the last remaining some years ago from Aviation Megastore.

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740 views for a thread about the Caravelle … Not so bad …

That makes me think that there is still room for another model, from another manufacturer, a decent one, as good as the defunct Hogan.

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I have a an air france caravelle
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740 views for a thread about the Caravelle … Not so bad …

That makes me think that there is still room for another model, from another manufacturer, a decent one, as good as the defunct Hogan.

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We need a good United Airlines one.
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740 views for a thread about the Caravelle … Not so bad …

That makes me think that there is still room for another model, from another manufacturer, a decent one, as good as the defunct Hogan.

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Maybe our friend Stephan from Herpa will step up? His Viscount is a treasure.
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I think I might have one back home. Was this in a silver paper box from a few years ago?
I would trade it for a 1/200 Malev 737 one world.
Yep small silver box ... PM me if you are interested in selling it ..
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