I just saw pics of the Gemini200 United 777-300ER on FlyingMule.com and it looks as though Gemini went back to using extended nose gears for the 777 like on, I think, the Thai 777-300ER. Take a look here: 777-300ER 1:200 Diecast Model - GeminiJets GJ-G2UAL643 - $109.95
This is certainly a disappointment if this is the case for all of these models. Maybe it's just a one off, but I doubt it. I really hope they don't make this mistake anymore.
Wow you're right mine has that also. Disappointing. On an unrelated note does anyone know where I can buy over-wing exit marking decal that are good quality? I just hate how the wings look with that mistake.
Hopefully the nose gear is just on the sample. It sure looks like the extended nose gear that caused a lot of commotion when it first came out, prompting JCW to issue compressed replacement lower gear assemblies free of charge to those that bought the first few 777-300ERs. The lack of over wing exit markings is just wrong. Hopefully a just a pre-production sample pic (I doubt it), otherwise it is a serious mistake on GJ/JCW's part.
On the positive side, looks like some additional details have been added to the tail. With all of the 'sanding variation' in JCW models, it is difficult to tell if anything has been done to the nose also. I hope it has, and that the cockpit windows are a little bigger. I can't tell from the pictures on this website. Looking forward to more pice BEFORE any pre-order. Looks like the Inflight model is looking like a better and better alternative for those who want this model.
Last edited by Charlie Alpha; 03-03-2017 at 12:55 AM.
Wow you're right mine has that also. Disappointing. On an unrelated note does anyone know where I can buy over-wing exit marking decal that are good quality? I just hate how the wings look with that mistake.
From what I understand, United did not want the over-wing markings on this model. So it wasn't necessarily a mistake on Gemini's part.
There are some pics on Waffle's site. Definitely the extended nose landing gear on this model.
Last edited by make.me.laugh; 03-06-2017 at 07:39 AM.
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There was no corporate order placed for this model by United.
That's NOT the formation sup[plied by Crownvic above, and he should know because of his connection with GJ. Interesting also that you chose to respond to me instead of the other 2 posts, one of which is by someone who should know, because I was just responding to their information which I'm betting is accurate.
What is the source of your information?
Last edited by Charlie Alpha; 03-03-2017 at 11:00 AM.
yes your right...good observation no over wing exits requested by the airline put the death sentence on this model.
Again nobody here has any record of working with Gemini on this model. I have a suspicion that since Gemini is owned by the Daron people I'm guessing they provided the artwork and requests that United worked with them for a licensed Skymarks model.
That's NOT the formation sup[plied by Crownvic above, and he should know because of his connection with GJ. Interesting also that you chose to respond to me instead of the other 2 posts, one of which is by someone who should know, because I was just responding to their information.
What is the source of your information?
Gemini does not hold a current active license from United Continental Holdings. Look at one of their boxes on the back and see if there is the logo showing it is an official licensed United product. You won't find one. This is also why they are not listed on our official store. You can request a full list of partner companies at brand@united.com
The back of Gemini Boeing 777-300ERs boxes say " produced under license from the BOEING Management Company. 777-300ER and Boeing are trademarks owned by Boeing".
It is not a United Airlines license. It is a Boeing one. That is why you are not finding it. Again, Crownvic should know.
Last edited by Charlie Alpha; 03-03-2017 at 11:18 AM.
The back of Gemini Boeing 777 boxes say " produced under license from the BOEING Management Company. 777-300ER and Boeing are trademarks owned by Boeing".
It is not a United Airlines license. It is a Boeing one.
They have a Boeing license they do NOT have the United one active. Look at the back of an American Airlines box you will see both the Boeing license and the American license. Same goes for Delta, Lufthansa etc. If you want the official answer e-mail brands@united.com and ask them if Gemini is a licensed company.
Again nobody here has any record of working with Gemini on this model. I have a suspicion that since Gemini is owned by the Daron people I'm guessing they provided the artwork and requests that United worked with them for a licensed Skymarks model.
It's off-topic but I was under the impression that Daron is a distributer not owners.
It's off-topic but I was under the impression that Daron is a distributer not owners.
ADI is Gemini?
ADI owns the brand Gemini. Daron Worldwide owners are the people who own ADI, Skymarks, The Airplane Shop etc. I should reword it that the same people own both but that Daron the company itself does not own ADI.
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They have a Boeing license they do NOT have the United one active. Look at the back of an American Airlines box you will see both the Boeing license and the American license. Same goes for Delta, Lufthansa etc. If you want the official answer e-mail brands@united.com and ask them if Gemini is a licensed company.
I don't think anyone other than you have mentioned United as being the corporation that ordered the model. Others have just said the 'corporate' order specified no exit path markings. Perhaps this order is for the Boeing Corporate Store produced without license from United. That is definitely not unheard of in the world of diecast models.
Anyway, the lack of exit paths make this model a 'no go' for me. Also waiting for revisions to the nose and cockpit window printing.
Last edited by Charlie Alpha; 03-03-2017 at 12:14 PM.
Oh wow! I can't believe I didn't notice the missing over wing exits. That might be more disappointing than the nose gear. I didn't really have any interest in this model in the first place (boring, lazy livery), but even if I did, these caring flaws would keep me away.
@Crownvic Woah there. Don't take it personal. I was just saying it's pretty annoying when a manufacturer gets it right on other models and then takes a step back. The reason I'm critical of flaws on Gemini and JC models is because I have come to expect a lot from them
@Crownvic Woah there. Don't take it personal. I was just saying it's pretty annoying when a manufacturer gets it right on other models and then takes a step back. The reason I'm critical of flaws on Gemini and JC models is because I have come to expect a lot from them
Im not defending Gemini JC or anyone else, I just think its a little too much.
Has the extended nose gear that was released on the Gemini / JC Wings 787's for a while been done away with? I personally hope so, it doesn't look like the American 787-9 has it, but maybe it's just the way it looks in the photos.
If anyone knows, let me know. The extended gear just didn't look right, made the nose ride too high.
Now that I think about it though, one could just buy the decals and switch out the nose gear pretty easily. So it really isn't that big of a deal.
You shouldn't have to resort to that at all....
The model should come in perfect condition with appropriate details. You shouldn't have to 'correct' certain items or features. These types of items shouldn't be missed. You'd think there would be some sort of final inspection checklist for each specific model type to ensure nothing is missed before production and release. Especially with the prices we pay.
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I agree on the American 787-9; something is off but I can't quite determine what. It just looks wrong and here was me thinking it would be better than the 787-8 but I guess I'll stick to just that one.
I'm guessing since the nose cone outline is painted different and none of the pilot tubes, "cut here in emergency" style markings are on the model near the nose it looks like a blank flat surface to you.
That must be it! Too blank and the longer monotone grey fuselage with grey cockpit windows doesn't help either. I looked at the 787-8 again and it does have more detail in that area indeed.
That must be it! Too blank and the longer monotone grey fuselage with grey cockpit windows doesn't help either. I looked at the 787-8 again and it does have more detail in that area indeed.
I agree! I think that's it! Not the cockpit but the missing nose cone outline.
But, actually as I look at it closer, the nose cone is there, just hard to see in the photos.
KLM 787-9 was released before the change in nose gear.
Recent releases with the change are JC Wings LOT 787-8's, Air China, Saudia Arabia and the Uzbekistan also had it I believe. I made the front of the plane sit higher, but it was abnormally high.
Was hoping that they had gone back to the originally nose gear, like on the KLM 787-9.
Mine has the tall nose gear. Appears the entire production run was done with them.
Any chance of closeup pictures?
I am curious as to other facets, such as if the latest GE90-115B mold is being used? (the one with the larger core and updated pylon hot section).
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This JC Wings new all black 777 looks like it has a tall nose gear too, can anyone confirm this? These are all new releases from the JC/GJ factory. But I guess in landing config it might acceptable, just wondering if it is/was done on purpose?!
It may have been done on purpose, but that doesn't mean it was done to be correct. I would imagine JCW has a lot of extra 'extended' gear left from the last time they tried releasing the extended nose gear on a 777 model, and they have been doing some pretty weird things with their 787 landing gear lately also. Maybe they wanted to use up some old landing gear stock.
I hope the trend doesn't continue. They seem to be really interested in adding improvements to their model line like the 'flaps down' version and extra tail detail on the 777, but blowing it on the smaller details like the landing gear. Funny thing is the extended nose gear would have looked fine on the 'flaps down' 777, but not on this one.
What is a mystery to me is why they used the 'no exit markings' wing on ALL the models. The wings are painted before assembly at the JCW factory, and it would have been simple to use the wing with the exit markings on the retail versions of the model.
IMHO, JCW seems to be asleep at the control wheel lately.
Thats the one that I meant, with landing flaps, it also has the same gear (see picture). I am in doubt as whether to get one or not since I don't want to reward bad craftsmanship.
The photo's I see online, show overwing exit markings however. Is that not the case in the retail version then?
There is no such thing as an 'extended gear' on these 777s. The height is the same throughout. I checked on previous releases and a newer 77W (ANA BB-8).
What is causing confusion is the following:
1) Gear doors are 'shorter' on newer releases, creating the optical illusion that the gear is longer.
2) Tires on new releases are slightly larger.
I disagree, they are just longer and tires the same. See my picture of Gemini's El Al 777 vs American 777. 2nd one is with JC Wings EVA Air 777 new colours too. Definitely longer as the gear doors and inserts are of equal size and I lined them up as you can see. The gear doors might actually be a fraction bigger on the NEW releases.
This reminds me of a thread where JC apologised and offered to send replacement gears. They have gone (back) to using them and should not be used on a Flaps Up model.
Correction, they should not be used at all as it doesn't even represent an extended strut. I checked carefully and the difference seems to be in the upper part. See photo's of extended strut on ground/in air vs compressed strut on ground. The difference on the real aircraft is the part just above the wheels (the silver bit), so wrong on all accounts.
But I guess you're right about "there is no such thing as extended nose gears". They apparently don't exist on models (yet).
There is no such thing as an 'extended gear' on these 777s. The height is the same throughout. I checked on previous releases and a newer 77W (ANA BB-8).
What is causing confusion is the following:
1) Gear doors are 'shorter' on newer releases, creating the optical illusion that the gear is longer.
2) Tires on new releases are slightly larger.
Not true. Much more than just the gear doors too, and the previous BB8 release used the wrong nose gear assemblies also. There are 2 nose gear strut designs, and the one on the UA model is definitely the 'extended' one. Check Wahde's pictures above of the whole nose gear assembly. I also have some of the replacement part 'compressed struts' as spare parts. There is a visible difference between the bottom part of the mold. JCW took the cheap way out (again) and sent only the bottom assembly as a replacement (pic attached)the last time they made this mistake, instead of the whole nose assembly. Compare the attached picture with you nose gear strut and you will see the difference. Those that were around the forum at the time remember all of the hassle even getting the corrected part was.
Ill post pics of the extended strut too, if I kept one. They were pretty worthless so I probably threw them away. Looks like the 'flaps down' model came with the old part too, but at least it was appropriate on that model.
Last edited by Charlie Alpha; 03-18-2017 at 07:07 PM.
Here you go. Luckily I kept the old 'extended' strut as a 'spare' with my ANZ Hobbit model in case I sold it and someone wanted the original gear.. The 'extended' strut is about 2-3 cm longer than the 'compressed' strut, as the pics show. They are actually pretty good renditions of the real gear.
Pretty easy to see with the naked eye. Just compare the 2 gear parts with the bottom part of the nose strut on the UA model.
Last edited by Charlie Alpha; 03-18-2017 at 07:01 PM.
Thanks for the explanation Charlie Alpha. It appears that an extended strut nose gear does exist! You can see it in the angle of the fork at the back, which makes the compressed version useless as it is incorrect and just too long, even on the flaps down version.
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