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Old 01-22-2017, 01:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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There is a 1/200 JU-52 on floats currently listed on ebay.de (Germany):

"RARITÄT original Wiking Flugzeug 1:200 Ju 52 mit Schwimmern METALL Ur-Modell TOP"

for about $2,675.00 USD. A model I have no interest in but unlike the stuff made in China, this one may actually be "RARE". I can't be sure, however it appears the seller has gone out of his way to avoid a picture that includes the entire tail.

As stupid as it may seem the Germans do not allow depictions of the Swastika on models (like it was never really there), so my guess is this model is really a very early Wiking model. Still, even for a properly detailed JU-52 it's a very hefty price.
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I have confirmed by someone who knows this model that yes indeed this model is an early WWII model and is very rare..thus the price asked for appears to be correct.
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If you want to get Wiking models of the WW II-era in mint, that's what you have to pay for. Never have seen a good looking Wiking model going for less then 1000€. You do get some for 30 or 50, but they're rotten.
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Well I'm glad I guessed correctly. I thought it was likely a World War 2 produced item, given it probably has the Swastika depicted correctly and the idiotic German restrictions. Such a model would therefore be VERY RARE and I assume worth a great deal of money to a collector of such items.

I appreciate the confirmation above, as I wasn't sure about the date of manufacture and only guessed at the model's age based on the Swastika issue. Thanks for looking into it!
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and the idiotic German restrictions
It's a real long and complicated story and for people from overseas is not really easy to understand, altrough it may seem easy, but belive me, I wouldn't call it "idiotic".
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I appreciate my not having a European view, but anything that deviates from reality is stupid in my opinion. Having a very expensive 1/200 scale custom model of the KG Bismarck without the Swastika painted in the deck is idiotic. The ship had a Swastika painted on the deck and that is just reality. By making a costly toy boat (model) for display without the Swastika is just plain stupid.

Because one depicts an object from the past with Historical Accuracy, does not mean you are in any way supporting what the Swastika (as an example) represents. It is historical fact and all JU-52s, Condors or other WW2 era aircraft models should have the Swastika as was with the original. Not doing so is to pretend that there never was a Swastika on the aircraft, which is historically inaccurate and childish idiocy!

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Does someone have a link to the auction. I may be interested.
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RARITÄT original Wiking Flugzeug 1:200 Ju 52 mit Schwimmern METALL Ur-Modell TOP | eBay

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Does someone have a link to the auction. I may be interested.
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The two responses regarding this model's vintage and value are pretty accurate. The model was in fact made in 1936/37 - that's why only a few models ever become available.
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Thanks for the link YOWguy. Interesting model.
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I appreciate my not having a European view, but anything that deviates from reality is stupid in my opinion. Having a very expensive 1/200 scale custom model of the KG Bismarck without the Swastika painted in the deck is idiotic. The ship had a Swastika painted on the deck and that is just reality. By making a costly toy boat (model) for display without the Swastika is just plain stupid.

Because one depicts an object from the past with Historical Accuracy, does not mean you are in any way supporting what the Swastika (as an example) represents. It is historical fact and all JU-52s, Condors or other WW2 era aircraft models should have the Swastika as was with the original. Not doing so is to pretend that there never was a Swastika on the aircraft, which is historically inaccurate and childish idiocy!

I symbol of Swastika that made people fanatic to kill millions of people not to be in toy airplane because was banned from all toys and models after many years is stupid for you because you will not have accurate model l think you better keep your feelings and ideas for your self. Just respect the rules of other Nations that lost so many life's.
And please don't try to make me change my mind.

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Wow that's old, looks like still made of lead. it more like a antique collectors item. never seen that model with floats on it!!!
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I have been collecting die cast aircraft in 200 scale since 1970 and I have never seen one of these before.
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Very interesting find indeed! I'm not really into these old aircraft models but still it looks cool for it's age and yes it has the Swastika painted on the tail of the aircraft if you look very good at some of the pictures the seller has provided... but who cares, maybe the laws in Germany forbid him to do so, either way this is a great looking model anyone is lucky to only fine either on eBay or in your grandfather's attic...
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I symbol of Swastika that made people fanatic to kill millions of people not to be in toy airplane because was banned from all toys and models after many years is stupid for you because you will not have accurate model l think you better keep your feelings and ideas for your self. Just respect the rules of other Nations that lost so many life's.
And please don't try to make me change my mind.

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You know it takes a person who really is in history denial like you to write something like that. I assume you have on problem with Russian models that have the Red Banner and were operated in the age of Stalin, who killed more people than Hitler! What you want is to pretend that there never was a Swastika and that is even worse than allowing it on toy airplanes.

I am not trying to change the your mind, you can believe in Santa Claus for all I care. Everyone has a right to think what they wish and what an idiot who doesn't want to see reality thinks is TOTALLY irrelevant to me!

Please feel free to believe what you wish, just allow others to do so as well. Do yourself a favor and just enjoy the pictures of the model in the listing, because it will be the only time you get to see a model like that!

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That's exactly why I wrote that this matter is too complicated to be understood by people who look at it from very far and only from a historic point of view.

Nobody is stopping nobody from thinking, but in some cases it's better to keep your own thoughts for yourself. Otherwise it may hurt the feelings of people who culturally have another approach of the matter.

So please go back to the Wiking model and stop calling people names.
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You know it takes a person who really is in history denial like you to write something like that. I assume you have on problem with Russian models that have the Red Banner and were operated in the age of Stalin, who killed more people than Hitler! What you want is to pretend that there never was a Swastika and that is even worse than allowing it on toy airplanes.

I am not trying to change the your mind, you can believe in Santa Claus for all I care. Everyone has a right to think what they wish and what an idiot who doesn't want to see reality thinks is TOTALLY irrelevant to me!

Please feel free to believe what you wish, just allow others to do so as well. Do yourself a favor and just enjoy the pictures of the model in the listing, because it will be the only time you get to see a model like that!
Don't try to impress me for an expensive model because l bought many models much more expensive from that so keep all your nice words for your self. You don't know me and maybe l spent more money in models every year than your unnual earning so please keep your moth shut and don't try to impress me.

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For the two above posts:

1) your personal sensitivity on certain subjects is irrelevant when compared to reality

2) Your salary comments are beyond being a joke - you just don't know how wrong your statements are - and you never will!

The idea of making historically incorrect models for a few people who wish to bury their heads in the sand will always be idiotic and a denial of reality. Whatever is written regarding my posts from here on is for the benefit of those who deny history. I will not look at this subject again, so write all you want!
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The idea of making historically incorrect models for a few people who wish to bury their heads in the sand will always be idiotic and a denial of reality. Whatever is written regarding my posts from here on is for the benefit of those who deny history. I will not look at this subject again, so write all you want!
Only a German who has to carry the historical guilt of Hitler's regime and its evil, will truly understand the German laws around the swastika missing from models. To agree with these laws, even today, is to verify that previous German generations from the Nazi era were hideously wrong. Personally, I don't believe that modern Germans have any guilt or shame to carry, but there may be some who are comfortable with the current total ban on the swastika. I understand this, especially as the rest of the world is probably just waiting to wag a "naughty boy" finger at them should they try to reverse the law.

I say leave the swastika where it belongs.......buried. I can always add my own swastika to German produced models. Swastika decals are readily available outside Germany.
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I guess Graham put the point in the right way.

As stated before, people who do not have the cultural and historical background cannot understand this problem unless they merge themselves into the Central European society for some time.

As for reading what Chilli wrote above I can only say "poor are those who are confortable with their limited way of thinking".
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I have less moral issues with a Ju52 passenger seaplane with a swastika on the tail, than with a USAF B29 atomic bomber with a big R.
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If besides the big R on the tail it also has a name starting with E... and G... on its nose I bet there are more people which would have moral issues with it.

Some would never collect Israeli planes because they stand for the Palestinian cause. Some collect both Israeli jets and those from the Arab states fighting Israel. Some have moral issues, some others not. But to qualify a law or a way of thinking as "idiotic" and then start to write nonsense about some other users thinking in another way (as Chilli did to Modestos) and without bothering to think why some people have moral issues is just plain stupid.

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1) your personal sensitivity on certacorrect l leubjects is irrelevant when compared to reality

2) Your salary comments are beyond being a joke - you just don't know how wrong your statements are - and you never willhappening around you. e idea of making historically incorrect models for a few people who wish to bury their heads in the sand will always be idiotic and a denial of reality. Whatever is written regarding my posts from here on is for the benefit of those who deny history. I will not look at this subject again, so write all you want!
You can always run away but you can never hide. See also what other collectors wrote. Who is correct they can make up their minds. Can everyone be wrong here and a new member here been so correct? I know that you worried about your behaviour and always look to see what happening around you because you are guilty. Run for the rest of your life. (If you have one).
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Modestos, drop it. It's not worth it. Remember the phrase from the classic movie "Airport"? "You're right dear, there's no point in arguing with a penguin"

For all there lacking a sense of humor, it's second degree.
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Modestos, drop it. It's not worth it. Remember the phrase from the classic movie "Airport"? "You're right dear, there's no point in arguing with a penguin"

For all there lacking a sense of humor, it's second degree.
Is not me started this attack, but I said what I had to say. I have other plans to do. Thanks.

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I know, but we shouldn't lose our precious time with such a matter
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