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Old 01-14-2017, 03:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just seen this on ARD site. with ACTUAL picture! but can't seem to copy it.

ARDRAF | ARD200 1:200 | DH 106 Comet C4 RAF XR397 | is due: January 2017

ARDRAF | ARD200 1:200 | DH 106 Comet C4 RAF XR397 | is due: January 2017 - Aviation Retail Direct

Also a picture of the BOAC COMET 4 too!!

ARD2012 | ARD200 1:200 | DH 106 Comet 4 BOAC G-APDT | is due: TBC - Aviation Retail Direct
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I have had the BOAC pre ordered for a couple months now, still patiently waiting.
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I ordered mine in May 2016.
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Hopefully to see a Olympic Airlines one.

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Also waiting for the BOAC, ordered in November from STLA.
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This RAF Comet is one of the four Comet 4Cs ordered by the RAF Transport Command in 1960, they were known as CMk 4.
The aircraft had the long fuselage of the Comet 4B.

The BOAC Comet with pinion tanks is of course a Comet 4 with the original fuselage.

We already discussed about the fuselage, no need to say more.

For what it was and what it could have been the Comet is very important in the history of aviation.

Some of us would have preferred G-APDC as a registration mark, this aircraft was the first jetliner to make a commercial flight over the Atlantic in 1958, with the initial livery (BOAC font), it would have been a better choice.
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Maybe they will do that one as well Jean Pierre. The font size is sufficiently different for it not to be a simple case of changing the reg. As it is I've got the above on order and would probably take another with the earlier titles. Delighted to see it only has the two escape hatches, previous Comet 4s in 1:200 and 1:400 have been depicted with three of them, some of those have had to many cabin windows too. BOAC never operated the 4C! There also appears to be a thing yellow edging to the cheatline which is good too. Whilst acknowledging again certain limitations of the mould, from that photo I think he BOAC Comet 4 looks really good.

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I do understand your point JP and I expect it will come in the future. I also understand the importance of the Comet. For me and Qantas historical collectors there is a way we can get a Comet 4 into our collections Thanks to ARD. I expect ARD are very aware that Qantas Empire Airways Wet leased 6 Comet 4's from 1959 to 1963. G-APDL was the inaugural Qantas Comet service which was operated London Heathrow to Singapore to Sydney November 7 1959. The aircraft carried 'Qantas' titles on the cabin roof in place of the standard 'B.O.A.C.' titles. Repeater titles were sometimes applied to the pinion fuel tanks. All aircraft were crewed by B.O.A.C. flight and cabin crew. Please make some of these









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It would be a very nice model in your already impressive QANTAS collection Steve, but I know by experience that attracting interest from ARD or Inflight is another story …

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Patiently waiting for my B.O.A.C. Comet 4 since ordering it last April, I think...maybe a 1st Anniversary delivery with any luck?
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This RAF Comet is one of the four Comet 4Cs ordered by the RAF Transport Command in 1960, they were known as CMk 4.
The aircraft had the long fuselage of the Comet 4B.
Actually they had five and I have flown in all five of them including the one depicted, XR397, which was my last Comet C.4 flight from Lyneham to Gibraltar and back in 1973. Because of that, I am tempted by this model, which looks very good.
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I apologize, one of my sources says "four", in fact they were five, XR 395 to XR 399.

The livery of the model is very nice.

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Sold my other 2 comets BEA and BEA Airtours when the new ARD ones were announced, with subsequent disappointment.
Did keep the older BOAC HAM? Comet which for all its faults still looks better to me compared to the new one.

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Sold my other 2 comets BEA and BEA Airtours when the new ARD ones were announced, with subsequent disappointment.
Did keep the older BOAC HAM? Comet which for all its faults still looks better to me compared to the new one.

Apart from the overly round jet intakes, the shape of the nose and the fact it has somehow metamorphosed from a Comet 4 to a Comet 4C with extra cabin windows and an extra escape hatch.

I know the new ARD mould is not perfect but it looks more like a Comet to me than the HAM mould and when it comes to artwork there is no comparison - it's just plain wrong on the HAM model and (from what I can gather from the picture) correct on the ARD model.
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Actually they had five and I have flown in all five of them including the one depicted, XR397, which was my last Comet C.4 flight from Lyneham to Gibraltar and back in 1973. Because of that, I am tempted by this model, which looks very good.
Dipping your toes into the world of 1:200 Adrian? It's the slippery slope!
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The missing B.707s still needed to be done in 1/400: Uganda Airlines, Air Zimbabwe (rainbow scheme), Air Niugini.

DC-8s still needed to be done in 1/400: UAT, Iberia ('80s scheme), Air Ceylon, Surinam Airways, Air Spain, Seaboard World (-63CF)

Aeroclassics Comets still missing- Dan Air (4 & 4C), United Arab Airlines/Misrair/Egyptair, Kuwait AW, Sudan AW, East African AW, Saudi Royal Flt.
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Actually they had five and I have flown in all five of them including the one depicted, XR397, which was my last Comet C.4 flight from Lyneham to Gibraltar and back in 1973. Because of that, I am tempted by this model, which looks very good.
I flew on her in 1979, as G-BDIV with Dan-Air. The F/E panel can be seen at the Gatwick Aviation Museum.
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which for all its faults still looks better to me compared to the new one.
That new BOAC one looks awful with its high lift ARD delta wings, the tail looks the wrong shape and FFS..... put some dihedral on those rear fins...

Must have been some compromise sign off...

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That new BOAC one looks awful with its high lift ARD delta wings, the tail looks the wrong shape and FFS..... put some dihedral on those rear fins...

Must have been some compromise sign off...

Adrian - I thought you were one for accuracy!
Don't listen Adrian, Agents ageing eyes are obviously playing tricks with him

I'm looking at my Dan-Air one right now and along with its BEA sibling it's the only Comet model I have that looks like a Comet. It ain't perfect but then I don't think I've got a model that is.
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I'll put it down to the vast quantity of Merlot consumed then...

Each to their own....
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Very soon, you will have to pay customs fees for your Merlot ...

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What - there's no tax on the Merlot a ce moment... !

If its a free market... could end up cheaper....

Hellfire... I'll have to switch to New World plonk..... they will be sending that in by the containerloads loads along with New Zealand Lamb and Butter...
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I'll put it down to the vast quantity of Merlot consumed then...

Each to their own....
Indeed Agent.

By the way, there are some decent English wines now thanks to climate change
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What - there's no tax on the Merlot a ce moment... !

If its a free market... could end up cheaper....

Hellfire... I'll have to switch to New World plonk..... they will be sending that in by the containerloads loads along with New Zealand Lamb and Butter...
Joke apart surely there is some wine made in England ?
Or not ?
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There are some very fine wines made in the UK... ( There's also a hell of a lot of stuff that you could use as paint stripper on your code III's..) ..ironically the UK wines tend to be a bit more expensive....


Coming to the conclusion we will never get a reasonable Comet Vanguard or Trident....


More hope of this....

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Also ordered my BOAC Comet in May 2016 also. Waiting not so patiently.
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It'll get here when it gets here, doesn't bother me.
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BOAC model showing on BUNDYS site!





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Top of the tail looks wrong. Shouldn't it be a little flatter on the top?
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Vertical fin, dihedral of the horizontal surfaces, the wings, fuselage length …
BOAC title above the passenger door is too large and is the one of the initial livery.

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… and I see some kind of dorsal fin ahead of the vertical fin …
There is one but it is much smaller.

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Top of the tail looks wrong. Shouldn't it be a little flatter on the top?
Thats my gripe.

It looks like someone has clipped the tailfin with Toenail clippers. the top profile is just miles off.
Otherwise all the other faults become indistinct.

Thinking should not have sold off my older comets (for all their faults)

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Well once again I know I'm going against the flow here but I'm really looking forward to mine arriving. I know there are a few issues but it still looks like a Comet to me and I'd rather pay £70 for a tampo printed model that double that amount for a decaled model that looks nothing like a Comet. All IMHO of course.
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I have three old corgi 1/144 scale comets but would like this one in 1/200 aswell. Apart from the tail and (imo) chubby front landing gear it is the only one available at this moment...
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That is the nice thing about not being a real Comet fan: I don't notice the errors. It isn't like I'm not picky with certain aircraft, but I'm not real familiar with the Comet and I just want one for my collection because of its historic nature so this one will do quite well for my purposes.

The only one actual Comet that I ever saw was a Mexicana example at LAX, but I was pretty young and don't remember any of the details.
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'Dipping my toes into 1/200 scale' eh? Well not until I see something outstanding that's not made in 1/400. I was in ARD on Tuesday when these BOAC and RAF Comets arrived. Alas, the top of the tail fin is too round, the BOAC cheatline should have yellow pin-stripes above and below it, but the biggest issue for me would be the 'one-size-fits-all' fuselage which is clearly designed for the Comet 4B and 4C, but too long for a Comet 4. It is just fine for the RAF version, which looks much better in all respects.
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Actually Adrian according to my ruler the fuselage is nearer Comet 4 size than 4B/4C but it is as you say a one-size-fits-all, like the Aeroclassics 1:400. It's 3-4mm too long for a Comet 4 and 6-7mm too short for a 4B/4C.

I'm slightly concerned about the lack of pin stripes (I can live with the tail) on the BOAC as the photo at the top of the thread looks as though it's got them. I guess I will see when mine pitches up. Pin stripes or not, it will be streets ahead of the Sky Classics/HAM BOAC Comet 4C (yes, really) I have.
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This one is now available as well.
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Both RAF and BOAC Comets have arrived here in the past couple of days. Whilst I will never persuade some of you that they are worthy models and I'll freely admit they aren't perfect - to all the other crimes against diecast perfection you can add too small pinion tanks and a curious attachment of said tanks to the wing - I still really love them sat on the shelf.

I'm glad to say that the BOAC version is correctly printed with the gold/yellow pinstripes above and below the cheatline. They are very thin, as indeed they should be, but they are definitely there.
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I am glad you like them.

Very seriously, I would be very pleased with a Comet 1.
The chrome plated Atlas model was very nice, I am sure that one of our manufacturers would be able to make a decent model.

I have a lot of documents about this aircraft, I am ready to help …
Very easy to find me …

It all starts with an accurate three view drawing.

Six liveries …

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Sadly Jean Pierre, these days, I do not believe that any Chinese made die-cast airliner evolves from a drawing. I'm pretty sure that the profiling equipment is offered an existing larger scale model. This could be a travel agency model, a built up plastic kit, a special hand crafted prototype model or whatever. If that model has inaccuracies then so will the tooling and the castings.
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I understand …
Maybe a resin kit ? Also available all finished for those who don't want to make the model …

There are in UK very talented pattern makers, those involved in the Bristol Brabazon and the SARO Princes did a fantastic job.

I already discussed about the possibility of a Comet 1 in resin kit, I was told that there are so many Dinky Toys that are reworked or refurbished that the market is too narrow …

By the way Graham, there is a SE 161 Languedoc on final approach, this aircraft was a regular visitor at the London Airport's North Side.
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A SE 161 Languedoc ? Guess what it is.

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I understand …
Maybe a resin kit ? Also available all finished for those who don't want to make the model …

There are in UK very talented pattern makers, those involved in the Bristol Brabazon and the SARO Princes did a fantastic job.

I already discussed about the possibility of a Comet 1 in resin kit, I was told that there are so many Dinky Toys that are reworked or refurbished that the market is too narrow …

By the way Graham, there is a SE 161 Languedoc on final approach, this aircraft was a regular visitor at the London Airport's North Side.
Something for you.

A SE 161 Languedoc ? Guess what it is.

Jean Pierre.
Here are 2 images of my reworked DINKY TOYS Comet 4. Made from 2 x Comet 1 toys. I did this back in 1972 (45 years ago) when I was 26 ! Yes, a little crude by today's standards but the overall proportions are not too bad. If somebody would produce 200 scale decal/landing gear/wing tank kits it wouldn't be bad.

I think the proportions of this converted toy represent the real comet 4 quite well. Engine intakes way off of for the mk4 though, however I think I made it too long like the ARD version. At the time it never occurred to me to measure it, I just got the hacksaw out, araldited the 2 pieces together and baked it in my mother's oven!
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I'm "umming and aahing" over whether or not I should get the BOAC version. Should I or shouldn't I ?

I do like collecting these older yesteryear models as they come by,as once there gone they'll be gone forever.
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I'm "umming and aahing" over whether or not I should get the BOAC version. Should I or shouldn't I ?

I do like collecting these older yesteryear models as they come by,as once there gone they'll be gone forever.
Only you can decide but even with the limitations of the mould I've no regrets in having got all four ARD200 Comets, including the BOAC. I'm tempted to get the Olympic 4B to go with them even bough it's not a subject I'd normally bother with. They aren't perfect but in my opinion they are miles better than anything else out there.
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