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Old 01-02-2017, 08:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi there, is engines not being aligned with the pylon a familiar issue on Inflight 200 777's? I received this American 777 today in an otherwise undamaged, unopened and well packed box from the UK. So retailer not to blame at all. See pics below. Are there quality control issues over at Inflight as I have been surprised by another Inflight model recently too? It has not been glued back on or anything, they are diecast but seem to completely miss the mark. Right engine worse than left, but still I expected much better of them. Additionally one gear strut is bent and makes the aircraft sit slightly awkward.

Also, what do you guys think of the new American colours Inflight vs Gemini?

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Never had any issues with IF200 models except the 747 wing tip antennas and the engines detached during shipping which I glued them back easily. Many issues with JC/BBox/JFox models with Q. C.. The B777 is a new model and already have few in my fleet.
Now as a 41 chrome AA diecast fleet collector l stopped collectin the new colour and especially after l flown as a passenger with them just yesterday l felt very disappointed with their extra charges and very poor cabin services compare back home.

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Thanks! The retailer will take it back, which is good service of course. My confidence in Inflight has dropped a bit unfortunately and will ask retailers to open Inflight boxes in the future to check for these production defects, whereas before I trusted Inflight to be good. Even compared to my Turkish Airlines Phoenix 777-300ER it looked a bit cheap, go figure! However, the Phoenix 777-300 mould still wins in the cockpit area though, especially the nose shape and cockpit printing are far better in my opinion.

I was almost blindly pre-ordering the Inflight AA A330-200, now I'm not so sure anymore and will wait for the release.

I'm just very curious if anybody has comparison pictures Gemini vs Inflight in the new American livery to see how dark/light or true it is? I might go for the Gemini A330 altogether if it's better.

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I find all the big manufacturers lack in quality control to an extent. When I visit ARD to collect a model I have to go through a lot of the same model to find one that's right, and that is when I do find one!

I have the Gemini 200 American 777-300/ER. It's great, the colours are pretty spot on too...
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I have also had issues with the plane sitting awkward from a bent gear on my IF Alitalia 777. Although I have also had the same issues on my JCW ANA (Pokemon) 777. This issue annoys the hell outta me, as it is very apparent when looking head on that one side is a bit higher than the other. Especially frustrating since these two birds weren't cheap to obtain!
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Inflight 777-200 models are built by JCW under contract and use the JCW 777-200 mold, so that may be why you have bent gear on both the JCW and Inflight models. Same mold, same factory. The 777-300ERs are a different story. Inflight and JCW each have their own molds of this one. Phoenix does too for that matter.

I don't find Inflight has any more quality issues than any other manufacturer. In fact,between Gemini, JCW and Inflight, my experience is that JCW models have more QC issues than the other two, which doesn't make sense because all GJ models are made in the JCW factory. I find JCW has the most QC issues with printing also, things like crooked or badly shaped cockpit windows, dust under the paint or a rough paint surface.

Of more concern to me is the quality of the mold design in the first place. I'm sure everyone has their opinion on this one, but I find it hard to excuse a mold that has an unrealistic design error to begin with, even before getting to QC issues. Each manufacturer has their own 'dogs' that the continue to be produced despite constant criticism by the consumer.

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My bent gear was on the recently released IF 777-300. I couldn't agree more on the mould issue. For me it's the reason I will never buy a Gemini/JCW 777 again, unless they do a complete redesign of the nose. I am getting the grips on other wide bodies too now and these forums have been very helpful!

Somebody told me that Gemini has never owned a mould and has always used others for their production. That explains why their 757's used to be awesome and are now off too.
I'm still trying to figure out where the cutoff date lies for the 767? Anybody got info on which mould from what dates roughly? Because I have the feeling that that has changed too or am I wrong? I am very particular about 767's, since it is my everyday lady!
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The American 777-300ER replacement from another retailer arrived (because out of stock) and once again it has one misaligned engine! Fortunately not as bad as the worst picture above, but a bit like the other one. The other one is straight, so that's 1 out of 4 correct.

I'll keep this model because I love the livery and the 777 mould is good but shame on you Inflight! The Japanese invented quality control half a century ago, maybe they can take a look across the sea from China or double check whoever imports them here! Does Inflight read this forum?
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The American 777-300ER replacement from another retailer arrived (because out of stock) and once again it has one misaligned engine! Fortunately not as bad as the worst picture above, but a bit like the other one. The other one is straight, so that's 1 out of 4 correct.

I'll keep this model because I love the livery and the 777 mould is good but shame on you Inflight! The Japanese invented quality control half a century ago, maybe they can take a look across the sea from China or double check whoever imports them here! Does Inflight read this forum?
I think it is unacceptable for the replacement model to have the exactly same issue as the original one. It implies that the issue could be an overall issue of that release or that aircraft type of the manufacturer.

I have the Gemini AA 777-300ER. There is no issue at all. The engines are aligned straightly. Overall the mould is more accurate as well.





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The Gemini AA 777-300EER model has issues of its own. I know because I own both the Inflight and Gemini models (BTW, my Inflight model did not have this particular issue). The center point of the nose on the Gemini model is too high (it should be aligned with the bottom of the pax doors), cockpit window printing is too small, the engines are mounted too low in relation to the leading edge of the wing, and the tail cone has very little details. BTW, the Gemini AA model is for sale if anyone is interested.

The IF and GJ are both good models but BOTH have their own issues. My choice is still the Inflight one because of the better nose shape, cockpit window printing and details.

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The Gemini AA 777-300EER model has issues of its own. I know because I own both the Inflight and Gemini models (BTW, my Inflight model did not have this particular issue). The center point of the nose on the Gemini model is too high (it should be aligned with the bottom of the pax doors), cockpit window printing is too small, the engines are mounted too low in relation to the leading edge of the wing, and the tail cone has very little details. BTW, the Gemini AA model is for sale if anyone is interested.

The IF and GJ are both good models but BOTH have their own issues. My choice is still the Inflight one because of the better nose shape, cockpit window printing and details.
You said the center point of the nose of the Gemini model is "too high". I just checked my model. The center point of the nose is aligned exactly with the bottom of the pax doors. But you may be correct too. Maybe it is really too high .... 0.00001mm too high.





You may disagree by saying that the top of my white label is not the center of the nose. But I will not continue to debate the 0.00001m difference with you.

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Looks like you may have gotten one of the ones that was sanded correctly, however the white tape isn't exactly onthe same place on each door. Even so, it doesn't excuse the small cockpit window printing.

You can see bu the attached pics that all the JCe and GJ models are not sanded that well.
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And here we go again.....
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Nope......
I'm done too.

And thanks for the kind comment.

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Haha, but I would like to know preliminary thoughts and comparisons on the different A350 moulds and manufacturers. Maybe I can start a new thread about it or is there already a thread about it?
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You said the center point of the nose of the Gemini model is "too high". I just checked my model. The center point of the nose is aligned exactly with the bottom of the pax doors. But you may be correct too. Maybe it is really too high .... 0.00001mm too high.





You may disagree by saying that the top of my white label is not the center of the nose. But I will not continue to debate the 0.00001m difference with you.
No need to argue about 0.00001m ( would that actually be 0.001mm?) when the difference is easily observable. Just compare the cockpit window size and pax door size and shape between the two pictures. Pretty obvious to me. Maybe obvious to others also.

Looks to me like the only change to the model was to stretch the door size to make it line up correctly. (hint: compare the door size to the size of the fuselage).

Again, there are no prefect models. Each brand has its faults.

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So far I have only got the die-cast models from GJs and JCW and so far so good. Though this satisfaction is partly because I am unaware of those alignments.

And yet, I would like to ask whether you would suggest PH, IF, or JCW for the China Airlines 77w Dreamliner?
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So far I have only got the die-cast models from GJs and JCW and so far so good. Though this satisfaction is partly because I am unaware of those alignments.

And yet, I would like to ask whether you would suggest PH, IF, or JCW for the China Airlines 77w Dreamliner?
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You will find that on this forum there are 'pro' JC/Gemini, 'pro' Inflight 200 and 'pro' Phoenix collectors. Each camp will state their reasons why that particular company is 'best', and on the flip side each camp will state their reasons why the other companies are 'bad'. Different opinions and views are welcome on the DAC, but then these threads become a Battle Royale where personal negative comments/insults are exchanged.

There have been several DAC threads in the past and even within this thread on what I have stated above.

I go by the old saying 'if you personally like a particular model, then buy it. If there's something you see that is a bit wonky/off with the model, then don't buy it. It's your money, and your own collection/fleet.' All the best with your China Airlines B777 Dreamliner. Cheers! T7
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As T7 says, look at both the Inflight and JCW/GJ models. They are both good models, although I opted for the Inflight version because of some extra details. You really can't go wrong with either model. I think they are both the best depending on your preference.

I don't think the Eagle/Phoenix brand is quite as good in terms of mold or printing on their 777-300ER molds.
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I am not that optimistic. For once I intended to get a B788 and I opted for the GJ United 788. Then I checked the youtube review and realised that it was a rebadged product made by PH. The problem was it would come with a worse stand and without retractable gear. Instantly, I changed my mind for other 788. Since then, I have become pretty cautious before any purchase.

Just a thought, why you would categorise GJ and JCW fans together? Are they in some partnership or rebadging too?
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I am not that optimistic. For once I intended to get a B788 and I opted for the GJ United 788. Then I checked the youtube review and realised that it was a rebadged product made by PH. The problem was it would come with a worse stand and without retractable gear. Instantly, I changed my mind for other 788. Since then, I have become pretty cautious before any purchase.

Just a thought, why you would categorise GJ and JCW fans together? Are they in some partnership or rebadging too?
As far as I know GJ uses the inflight mold for their early 787-8. Phoenix mold is different.

As for GJ and JC they share the same molds and produce in the same factory if I remember correctly.
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Yup, Gemini Jets and J C Wings share the same molds (mostly? GJ used to own some of their own molds. Not sure if that is still true) and both brands are produced in the same factory, so quality and detail is similar.

I don't think GJ and IF ever shared a 787 mold. The engine molds are different. I think GJ may have initially borrowed the Phoenix mold, but I doubt that also. The models look different also. The early Phoenix 787s have some wing flex, I don't think the early Gemini 787 did, which would indicate a different mold.
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I honestly only have one IF 200 777-300 ER mould i own and it's the China Southern version and i'm not complaining, i love it, even though i prefer Gemini 200/JC Wings to be fair!!

But having said that i hope that IF 200 makes the one below with the flaps & slats down position...

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Inflight200, whilst making very interesting models, does suffer in quality AND printing accuracy.
I have just recieved the Alitalia 747-200 I-DEML from IF, and whilst nice, doesn't hold a candle to Gemini/JCW 747-200 of which I purchased AF1 recently.
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As T7 says, look at both the Inflight and JCW/GJ models. They are both good models, although I opted for the Inflight version because of some extra details. You really can't go wrong with either model. I think they are both the best depending on your preference.
Whilst the IF version does have nice extra details, it is inferior to JCW by a long shot. IF's nose is weird and fat from above, the GE90-115B engines AND pylons on IF 77W are not even remotely accurate compared to JCW latest iterations, and the landing gear on IF 77W is comically basic compared to JCW.

I do own both, but regretted buying the IF as it also had loads of printing/decal placement errors.

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Whilst the IF version does have nice extra details, it is inferior to JCW by a long shot. IF's nose is weird and fat from above, the GE90-115B engines AND pylons on IF 77W are not even remotely accurate compared to JCW latest iterations, and the landing gear on IF 77W is comically basic compared to JCW.

I do own both, but regretted buying the IF as it also had loads of printing/decal placement errors.
Funny, I feel the same way aboiut the JCW/GJ 777-300ERs. And I own both brands too.

The ONLY thing that is superior to the IF model is the main landing gear. Without going into details, the engines on the GJ/JCW are not as accurate, the wrong size, and have a weird shape to them. The engine pylons are too skinny when viewed from the top. And I haven't seen an IF model yet with 2 left engines!

I also think the IF nose is more accurate too, with the center point in the right place, and the cockpit windows the correct size. The GJ/JCW cockpit windows are too small and short by comparison. I don't know about any other printing errors, but the over all paint is of much better quality IMHO and doesn't have the tenancy to have dust, finger prints and debris under the paint, or thin spots in the paint itself like the GJ/JCW model.

Just goes to show that people really do see things differently

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Funny, I feel the same way aboiut the JCW/GJ 777-300ERs. And I own both brands too.

The ONLY thing that is superior to the IF model is the main landing gear. Without going into details, the engines on the GJ/JCW are not as accurate, the wrong size, and have a weird shape to them. The engine pylons are too skinny when viewed from the top. And I haven't seen an IF model yet with 2 left engines!

I also think the IF nose is more accurate too, with the center point in the right place, and the cockpit windows the correct size. The GJ/JCW cockpit windows are too small and short by comparison. I don't know about any other printing errors, but the over all paint is of much better quality IMHO and doesn't have the tenancy to have dust, finger prints and debris under the paint, or thin spots in the paint itself like the GJ/JCW model.

Just goes to show that people really do see things differently
I've read your posts on the 77W and the only thing I can conclude that you must be on the payroll of Inflight because your borderline obsession with IF flies in the face of anything rational. I know what I see and I know that JCW's mold overall, whilst older, is more accurate in the aspects mentioned above. Please do not try to convince me as I know your MO. The only thing you have achieved, is turn off TONKA from this forum with your obsessive, repetitive posts, which is sad because I found TONKA to be a great source of info for the collector community on future releases and sneak peaks. I do not mean to be harsh but....

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Nope, just recognize a better model. And I'm not alone in my evaluation either, although definitely not in the majority.

Again, no answers about the deficiencies the model, just disparaging personal comments. I guess people with something to say just say it. Others with nothing of value just attack other people. Funny how you choose to see a difference of opinion as a mental deficiency instead of just what it is. A difference in opinion.

You GJ/JCW guys seem overly sensitive when someone criticizes you precious little models. NO model is perfect, but I do recognize the same sort of obsession that you would accuse others of in your reply. You 'don't mean to be harsh'? PLEASE, give everyone here a break!

Your 'source' was a good source of previews, but also the source of constant attacks on any competing brands. He was also a source of mis-information too, and would resort to these same kind of personal comments and attacks (in violation of forum rules, I might add) when questioned, or often make the same sort of comments without any provocation what so ever. This will illustrate exactly what I mean. The forum is certainly a quieter place without the constant comments.

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Your 'source' was a good source of previews, but also the source of constant attacks on any competing brands. He was also a source of mis-information too, and would resort to these same kind of personal comments and attacks (in violation of forum rules, I might add) when questioned, or often make the same sort of comments without any provocation what so ever. This will illustrate exactly what I mean. The forum is certainly a quieter place without the constant comments.

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Pot-kettle and cry me a river. In an Inflight quality control thread, totally unsolicited, you decide to once again bring up your usual (debunked) diatribe on JCW/Gemini 77W. Why? I find that that is an attack on a competing brand, don't you? That is what I also meant by your obsession.

I am not in the slightest interested in your battles with TONKA, not many people are, it was a turn off, and all I know is that good or bad, he gave us previews of upcoming interesting projects that we collectors could look forward to. E.g. the 77W flaps down pix many months ago, pictures of tweaks on molds, new upcoming sneak peaks etc etc. He generated excitement and anticipation and I sure hope he one day decides to come back and maybe not get baited by you.

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I know you really want any contrary opinions to be 'debunked', but ALL models have their flaws, even your precious little GJ ones. I have both the Gemini and Inflight AA models, and believe me neither is perfect. That is the reason for the comments above. I don't display the Gemini model any more because I personally don't like the nose or engines. I know there is contrary opinions too. After all, it is all just opinion on everyone's part. There are very, very few actual facts.

As for the other point, the tid bits of information were interesting (much of which was laced opinion, just like this), but not worth all the other garbage that went along with it. I think the main thing that was generated was criticism, not information. I can promise you one thing though. If there is a return with the same kind of negative, attacking behavior, there will be exactly the same kind of response.

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I know you really want any contrary opinions to be 'debunked', but ALL models have their flaws, even your precious little GJ ones. I have both the Gemini and Inflight AA models, and believe me neither is perfect. ....................
I also have AA 1/200 diecast models from Phoenix and Hogan, in addition to my G200 and IF200 birds. I agree with you on all manufacturers having their 'pros' and 'cons' with their products; if I ever come across a 'perfect' model that will be the end of my collecting days; because every model after that would not live up to that 'perfect' model. However, that would be kind of sweet and would save me some $$$!

By the way, I must commend you Charlie Alpha for displaying restraint and being courteous to ALITALIA AZ610.
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Old 01-19-2017, 10:46 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Thanks T7. I appreciate your comments. The response did seem a little strange given the OP's original question of "Also, what do you guys think of the new American colours Inflight vs Gemini?". The only responses that seemed to be off topic to me were his comments.

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Thanks for the in-depth review of the IF and GJ 777 with some personal touches! I am a cockpit man, so I like the Inflight 777 because of the shape and printing, but I was just very surprised by the misaligned engines. However, my recent AA 767-300 new colours made by GeminiJets had one engine tweaked inwards by a lot when looking from the front. No spares in shop, so I had to redo it myself which never turns out as hoped so very disappointed with GJ there. I hadn't seen anything like that on a GJ before, which goes to prove that all have manufacturing/quality control issues. If they want us to keep them in high regard, they should filter out the bad apples better!

As for the AA new colours; GJ might have done the grey a bit too dark and IF a little too light or flaky, I can't figure it out because different lighting produces different results! It drives me nuts because the solution might be to buy ALL models
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Thanks T7. I appreciate your comments. The response did seem a little strange given the OP's original question of "Also, what do you guys think of the new American colours Inflight vs Gemini?". The only responses that seemed to be off topic to me were his comments.
Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines as you while I read his comments. Took the thread sideways pretty quick.

I also had to deal with another DAC member in my other thread below. He wanted to start a flame war with me, but I politely commented back on why I was not going to 'tango' with him. It seemed my reply put things into perspective for him and he ceased participating in the thread; which I appreciated on his part.

http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...head-bins.html

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Thanks for the in-depth review .............As for the AA new colours; GJ might have done the grey a bit too dark and IF a little too light or flaky, I can't figure it out because different lighting produces different results! It drives me nuts because the solution might be to buy ALL models
Yikes! Buying every single model could be expensive. However, if you have the means (won the lottery) then I suggest you knock yourself out and scoop all of them to be on the safe side. All the best with building up your 1/200 collection. T7
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Haha, I just meant the AA ones though! Have had some 1:200's for years and after building plastic models with my dad and collecting some 1:100 resin models later on only to trade them for real ones, I think it is time to mature into 1:200 diecast quality and detailed scale for good. But I do think there's beauty in numbers too and I like that about the size of 1:200's; you can collect more! I just keep those 1:100's that I have actually flown myself and have created space in the basement for some cabinets with lighting to do justice to the 1:200's. It works therapeutically for me just to sit there trying to decide which model is best, hence my comment about getting all the AA (Diecast) ones. Can't figure out which 787 I like best, love it! I guess never being satisfied is part of the hobby. You worded it perfectly earlier.

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