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Old 08-05-2016, 08:16 PM   #1
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First out are Quebecair and Western Indian head (per EZ Toy)...
Now begins a whole new world of releases.
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Is that registration number N76413 correct on the Western Airlines 707? I was unable to locate info or pics of the real plane.
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Woohoo finally a 707-100! Bring em on!
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Is that registration number N76413 correct on the Western Airlines 707? I was unable to locate info or pics of the real plane.
Found some stats. Per AirlineFan.com, the plane was passed on by Cubana. Western leased it from May 1960 to September 1962. Then it was sold to Pan Am.
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That's great news !

We couldn't have a better manufacturer for this model.

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Those are pretty good news !
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The Quebecair seems to be fine . But the adverrise it as a 707-138 , which is very confusing ....
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We should read B 707-123 B and the registration is C- GQBG.

What we see on the picture is correct.

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Thank You Jean Pierre .
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I have a question.
The Western Airlines model is a B 707 139, the Quebecair is a B 707-123 B, will they have different wings ?
I mean the "glove" between the fuselage and the inner engines ?

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This is exciting. The smallest B707's are on there way 1:200 scale. I have a feeling that this is great news. Thanks for the heads up.
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Hello Jean Pierre and Aussiejets,
I had a look on the QUEBECAIR and WESTERN pics This afternoon, and I guess I have à pretty good News : the QUEBECAIR shows a 707-138B, not a 707-120B . Have another look and let me know .
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Not to say that QUEBECAIR never flew the 707-138B .
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I have a question.
The Western Airlines model is a B 707 139, the Quebecair is a B 707-123 B, will they have different wings ?
I mean the "glove" between the fuselage and the inner engines ?

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Well, they would be able to use the 720/720B wing mold, since the wing planform is the same as the 707-120B. The 707-120B, however, had three turbocompressors on engines 1,2,3, vs only two for the 720/720B. So to make a correct 707-120B they would have to account for that. The exception is AA, who ordered all 707B models (-123B, -323B and -323C) with only two turbo compressors on the inboard engines.
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Hello Jean Pierre and Aussiejets,
I had a look on the QUEBECAIR and WESTERN pics This afternoon, and I guess I have à pretty good News : the QUEBECAIR shows a 707-138B, not a 707-120B . Have another look and let me know .
Hello Denis.

The B 707 shown on EZ Toys picture is the C-GQBG, serial number 17647, one of the two B 707-123 B used by Quebecair.
123 means that this aircraft was initially bought by American Airlines.

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Well, they would be able to use the 720/720B wing mold, since the wing planform is the same as the 707-120B. The 707-120B, however, had three turbocompressors on engines 1,2,3, vs only two for the 720/720B. So to make a correct 707-120B they would have to account for that. The exception is AA, who ordered all 707B models (-123B, -323B and -323C) with only two turbo compressors on the inboard engines.
Thank you for your answer, I know that the number of turbo compressors can be a bit confusing … and sometimes, on some versions, there is no turbo compressor under the fairing …

My question was not about the turbo compressor but about the wing planform, a B 707-120 B has the same wing as a B 720 or a B 720-B …
…but the B 707-120 doesn't have this "glove" on the leading edge between the fuselage and the inner engines.

This detail is clearly noticeable on the real aircraft.
A picture is better than words, I attach a document.

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Nice to see a 707-100 being produced. Bought a thick book of the 707/kc135 (in english by a french author) to keep up with the 707 experts here on DAC. So many versions with minor (or greater) differences make the 707 a very Interesting airframe!
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May I have the reference of your book ?

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Will do that Jean-Pierre but am on holiday now in Germany and did not take the book with me.
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Not to say that QUEBECAIR never flew the 707-138B .
No they never did. Boeing's number 38 reserved for Qantas means that this was not a Qantas airframe and never was. Qantas was the only customer for a Boeing 707-138B the shortest smallest 707 ever. A typo from the model manufacturer/ distributor that's all.

Qantas 707-138B Experimental pictured here. I think you can see how small the 707 frame is three rows less and also Boeing's test markers




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Such a fine Bird !
NB . If Aeroclassic or another Model Maker ever makes a 707-138 (A) , this Special Bird did exist SHORT TAILED only !
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I am not a Qantas expert but we can easily be lost with their B 707s …

QANTAS ordered seven B 707-120s short body, only seven were made by Boeing, all going to QANTAS, two years later they were brought to B standard by the manufacturer.
These aircraft were registered from VH-EBA to VH-EBG.
QANTAS customer number being 38, these aircraft were B 707-138s which became B 707-138 Bs after modifications.

Later, QANTAS acquired more B 707-120 Bs with the standard fuselage (long body).
Incorporating all the modifications, they were B 707-138 Bs, registration from VH-EBH to VH-EBM.

In the end QANTAS had two different B 707-138 Bs, short body and long body, but they all had the same Boeing identification number …

A bit confusing …

Not sure we'll see one day a B 707-138 B (short body) but …
…the B 720 B is 41,68 m long and the B 707-138 B (short body) is 40,99 m long.
The difference is 69 cm, translated in the 1/200 scale that makes 3,5 mm, if you are able to turn a blind eye on 3,5 mm, why not ?

Thank you Aero Classics / Western Models for these very promising models.

Please Steve, feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

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In the end QANTAS had two different B 707-138 Bs, short body and long body, but they all had the same Boeing identification number …

A bit confusing...
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Hello Jean Pierre , what you call QANTAS 707s "Long Body" are just 707-338Cs. From MARCH 1965 untill September 1969 QF flew the 707-138Bs and 707-338Cs .

F Y I , the so called 707-138B is a 707-120B " short body " Specially made for QF .

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More photos on EZ Toys website:
Highly detailed Aero Classic diecast model airplane Quebecair Boeing 707-138 Reg# C-GOBC Western Models -Aeroclassics Scale 1:200 ezToys - Diecast Models and Collectibles
http://www.eztoys.com/western-boeing...ale-1-200.html
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Well the Model looks fine , but not accurate for QUEBECAIR colours .
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Hello Denis.

I attach a document detailing the QANTAS fleet.

The airline received six B 707-138 Bs registered from VH-EBH to VH-EBM.
These aircraft had the standard fuselage, I call them "long body", they were added to the initial batch of seven B 707-138s short body especially made for QANTAS.
These first -138s were later modified by Boeing and became B 707-138 Bs short body.

This document seems to confirm that QANTAS operated simultaneously two different B 707-138 Bs, short body and long body.

Later QANTAS bought the -320 when it became available.
The airline had twenty one B 707-338 Cs and one B 707-349 C, the latter being a former Flying Tiger.

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Thank You Jean Pierre .

Despite the meter fuselage shorter of the 707-138 compared to the 720 , I still have the feeling that the wings of the -138 are not situated at the same place . To confirm that I made a copy paste of what I found in a 10 years old Models makers forum :

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The -138 fuselage is 2 frames shorter forward of the wing, and one frame LONGER aft of the wing compared to a 720. No other 707 or KC-135 had the wing in the same place as the -138 did".

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There is one thing to remember : All the B 720s and B 707s look alike but there are so many variants that we can easily get lost …

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Hi 707s LOVERS , I found this document on the web . It may answer our requests .
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Hi 707s LOVERS , I found this document on the web . It may answer our requests .
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Here you go Yustas

VH-JET#1 & Her Sisters - Qantas 707s

This site might also answer some questions. In the mean time if I win lotto I will get a 138 & 138B mould made myself under the good advise of JC Willy
but Qantas had the smallest 707 ever.
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Thank you Steve for this very interesting document.

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Thank You Aussiejets. I often go to that site for 10 years . Quite a 707-138 / 707-338 Bible .
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I really praise any Spirit on the earth for this First 707-138B to be done !
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Hmmmm, according to the (very useful) length chart, the 138/138B is indeed the shortest 707/720 version: 128'10", 10' shorter than the 120/120B/220 at 138'10", and even (almost) 2' shorter than the 720/720B at 130'6". I guess the one I am really looking forward to is the 120 version, which will cost me plenty.
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I am not a Qantas expert but we can easily be lost with their B 707s …

QANTAS ordered seven B 707-120s short body, only seven were made by Boeing, all going to QANTAS, two years later they were brought to B standard by the manufacturer.
These aircraft were registered from VH-EBA to VH-EBG.
QANTAS customer number being 38, these aircraft were B 707-138s which became B 707-138 Bs after modifications.

Later, QANTAS acquired more B 707-120 Bs with the standard fuselage (long body).
Incorporating all the modifications, they were B 707-138 Bs, registration from VH-EBH to VH-EBM.

In the end QANTAS had two different B 707-138 Bs, short body and long body, but they all had the same Boeing identification number …

A bit confusing …

Not sure we'll see one day a B 707-138 B (short body) but …
…the B 720 B is 41,68 m long and the B 707-138 B (short body) is 40,99 m long.
The difference is 69 cm, translated in the 1/200 scale that makes 3,5 mm, if you are able to turn a blind eye on 3,5 mm, why not ?

Thank you Aero Classics / Western Models for these very promising models.

Please Steve, feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Jean Pierre.
Ez Toys mentions the size > 8.70 x 8.66 inches / 22.11 x 22.02 cm
That's 44 metres using the smallest dimension, if i am not mistaken.
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The photo on EZ Toys of the WA 707-139 appears to depict the wing of the 720/720B and 707-120B. The 707-120 (139) wing did not have the inner glove extension, and the root met the fuselage lower. It appears as if they are marketing the -120 with an incorrect wing. This to me is more disturbing than the -138B having a slightly incorrect fuselage length.
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Thank you for raising the point again.
It would be great to have a picture from above of this B 707-139.
Difficult for a serious collector to consider buying this B 707-120 if it has the wing of a -120 B.
An answer from AC 200 ?

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It would be great to have a picture from above of this B 707-139.
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Hello Jean Pierre.
I have the same wish , specially for the wings position of the 720B compared to the so called 707-138B .

I think we shall have to be " flexible minded " for all these 707 versions and much more focused on a global look of these new models .
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Here is a livery I didnt know exisited and would love to add to my CP fleet. Yes, she was US registered.

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Well GREAT wish you have YOWguy . I would love to see models of ALL 707-138 have ever existed .
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I got my Quebecair and the box also has the CP Air I asked for above and a dyslexic Pacific Western [image printed mirror view] as coming.
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GREAT . Please let us know YOWguy . Thanks
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