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Old 12-26-2015, 11:26 AM   #1
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Hi,

Inflight is going to make American 777. Can you please let me know which one is better between Gemin and Inflight 777?

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The Gemini version was released last year. It is the same mould that JC Wings has used for the last couple of years. It's a good mould, however there is definite room for improvement in a couple of significant areas such as the GE90 Engines and the gear. I have the GJ release and it's a good model. My understanding is that the Infight version will be on their new 773ER mould, with new gear and engines. If you look through some of the recent threads (i.e. Inflight KLM 777-300ER) the differences and nuances between the two moulds have been discussed at length. I'm looking forward to seeing the new American release, however for many people it's just a matter of preference.
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Old 12-26-2015, 04:50 PM   #3
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Thank you for your info.

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The Gemini version was released last year. It is the same mould that JC Wings has used for the last couple of years. It's a good mould, however there is definite room for improvement in a couple of significant areas such as the GE90 Engines and the gear. I have the GJ release and it's a good model. My understanding is that the Infight version will be on their new 773ER mould, with new gear and engines. If you look through some of the recent threads (i.e. Inflight KLM 777-300ER) the differences and nuances between the two moulds have been discussed at length. I'm looking forward to seeing the new American release, however for many people it's just a matter of preference.
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Few photos for comparison of their nose and gear. You make your own judgement.
PS:GJ/JCW new gear will be used on new EVA Air 777-300ER N/C.






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If you are considering the American Airlines 'New Colors' 777-300ER, I think the Inflight model is the better choice for several reasons.

First of all, the JC Wings/Gemini jet model is on the existing mold. Jc Wings is planning to upgrade the engine mold, landing gear and possibly some cockpit window printing and nose printing as well. But if you want the AA New Colors, that model is on the existing JCW mold without any of those improvements. As suggested, there are currently 2 threads going about the Inflight KLM 777-300ER mold that should be helpful, particularly the most recent one about the KLM New Colors, which contains quite a bit of comparison of the two molds..

There are quite a few things that are nice about the Inflight model. First of all, the GE-90 engines, including fan blades and hot section is really good, the best that I have seen so far in 1/200. The engine pylons could use a little tweaking, but place the engine right where it should be in relation to the leading edge of the wing. The APU unit in the tail is an actual hole instead of just printed detail and includes castings for both the strobe light on top and the position light on the bottom of the tail. The shape of the nose is a real point of contention. I wouldn't pay to much attention to the top picture of the nose above. It is distorted by the angle of the picture and does not really give you a good top view of the 777 nose profile. Find some Boeing 777-300ER Profile Drawings if you can. They match the nose profile of the Inflight model almost exactly. The raised area for all sat domes on the Inflight model is also a nice touch.

A word of caution. The JCW landing gear picture above will be on the NEW JCW model, not the one that you will be buying on the American Airlines model. I'm not sure why Tonka used the not-yet-released 777-300 landing gear when the existing JCW landing gear still looks better than the Inflight gear, although it is not as sturdy. The landing gear on the Inflight model is one of the few areas that could be improved, but again not bad. I don't really notice the detail on the landing gear in 1/200 scale. The engine pylons are the other IMHO, although they are not bad either.

Both are excellent models, but I have the GJ American Airlines 777-300ER model, and I like the Inflight mold better. Another thing to consider. JCW has already done the AA NC livery and is therefore unlikely to do it again in the near future, so your real choice is the existing GJ mold of the new Inflight mold when it is released.

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More so than anything with the new JC gear, i hope they make them a bit taller, as the JC/GJ 777 nose gear seems to sit level with the main gear, when the mains should be taller. I always put tissue in the main gear inserts to make them taller... Helps a ton.
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More so than anything with the new JC gear, i hope they make them a bit taller, as the JC/GJ 777 nose gear seems to sit level with the main gear, when the mains should be taller. I always put tissue in the main gear inserts to make them taller... Helps a ton.
New gear with 1mm+ in length. Also help to increase the engine ground clearance.
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Is 1 mm really sufficient though?
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New gear with 1mm+ in length. Also help to increase the engine ground clearance.
Although the extra gear length will be nice, the gear length isn't really the problem with engine clearance. The shape of the pylon that places the engine too low relative to the wing is mostly responsible for that low clearance. The engine pylon needs to be fixed too. That is exactly the reason that I make such a big deal about the existing engine pylon. It places the engine too low in relation to the wing making the engine look smaller than it really is.

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Thank you everyone.
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Although the extra gear length will be nice, the gear length isn't really the problem with engine clearance. The shape of the pylon that places the engine too low relative to the wing is mostly responsible for that low clearance. The engine pylon needs to be fixed too. That is exactly the reason that I make such a big deal about the existing engine pylon. It places the engine too low in relation to the wing making the engine look smaller than it really is.
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I am surprised that you can forgive the nose and wings but "big deal" about the pylon...I showed you an image in other thread about how the pylon should be and adopted on the new JCW 777. For your info, the new JCW GE-90-115B will be bigger and in correct size vs the 1:1.
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When is it finally gonna be released? I think it's fair to say this is highly anticipated
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I am surprised that you can forgive the nose and wings but "big deal" about the pylon...I showed you an image in other thread about how the pylon should be and adopted on the new JCW 777. For your info, the new JCW GE-90-115B will be bigger and in correct size vs the 1:1.
I don't forgive the nose and wings. JCW has some work to do there too. Cockpit windows should be about 10% bigger, and the nose a little longer and more rounded. The only think any of us have seen of the new JCW pylons were the prototype pictures that you posted that still had the engines too low. Anyway, you said to ignore the pylons because they weren't glued on correctly so none of us have seen any pictures of the final product. I happen to like the Inflight nose as it is and have already stated the inboard wings could use some tweaking, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. I've been very open about liking the Inflight 777-300ER model right from the start. I've always been pretty open about that. And I definitely prefer it over the existing JCW mold. But that is MY preference.

These issues may be corrected on the JCW NEW MOLD, but this thread is about the EXISTING GJ/JCW AMERICAN AIRLINES 777-300ER MOLD vs. the not yet released Inflight 777-300ER on their revised mold. We don't know know exactly what the revised JCW mold will look like (I think you may).

I'm sorry my friend, I think you are hanging on to this one a little too tightly. I know you did a lot of design work on the revised JCW/GJ 777-300ER mold and want to defend your work, but why don't you just post some pictures of the final results and let everyone here make up their own minds? I think we are all anxious to see some final pictures of the actual model, then we can all decide for ourselves which one we prefer.

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When it comes to 777-300er : you can always count on Charlie Alpha and Tonka lol

More seriously, both models are good even if my preference goes to JC at the moment.
both have issues on the engines at the moment but I prefer JC nose...

At the end it is a personal view and we don't see the same things
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I agree. it is definitely personal and we each do see things a little differently. I have both IF and JCW 777-300ER models and personally prefer the Inflight model, but many others prefer the JCW model instead.

I just wish we would see pictures of the revised JCW so we had something to really talk about instead of just criticism, conjecture and arguing.
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