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Old 09-12-2015, 01:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all,

Just want to share my latest acquisition. At first I was a bit skeptic about purchasing an Eagle Model due to bad reviews but was satisfied when i finally checked it personally. It ain't perfect but i think Eagle did a good job and i do hope they'll improve the gears especially the front, it looks small. Enjoy!
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Thanks for sharing~Btw,do you have other 777-300er model which made by JC/GJ?
Which GE90-115B is bigger ?
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The only thing wrong with their 1:400 777's is that the cockpit windows are usually printed about 25% too large, same issue here.
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The only thing wrong with their 1:400 777's is that the cockpit windows are usually printed about 25% too large, same issue here.
I disagree...kind of. I think the shape of the Eagle cockpit is very good, but they are a little over sized. I'd say about 10% is all though. I also think the cockpit windows of the JCW 777 models are UNDER sized by about 10%.

The idea cockpit windows would be right between the size of the Eagle model and the JCW model, with a shape close to the Eagle model. I love JCW 777-300ERs, except the slope, size and shape of the cockpit windows. The current engines have an issue or two also.

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I disagree...kind of. I think the shape of the Eagle cockpit is very good, but they are a little over sized. I'd say about 10% is all though. I also think the cockpit windows of the JCW 777 models are UNDER sized by about 10%.

The idea cockpit windows would be right between the size of the Eagle model and the JCW model, with a shape close to the Eagle model. I love JCW 777-300ERs, except the slope, size and shape of the cockpit windows. The current engines have an issue or two also.
I agree completely, and I think the same thing can be noticed with JC's & Phoenix's 787 models. Personally, I think the nose section and cockpit windows are the most important part of a model for a manufacturer to make correctly. For that reason, I prefer the Phoenix version of both these aircraft.

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Thanks for sharing~Btw,do you have other 777-300er model which made by JC/GJ?
Which GE90-115B is bigger ?
Here are some comparisons...sorry for the quality though. I assume that GJ and JC are sharing the same 77W mould?

First one is the GJ Philippine Airlines 77W and the Second is the JC Cathay Asia's World City 77W.

You be the judge.
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Thats a big difference in terms of the engine detailing!
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GREAT comparison shots. The Phoenix engines, aside from having a more correctly sized 'hot section' and exhaust cone, look like they are (more correctly) larger than the JCW model.

That and the look (size and shape) of the cockpit windows and shape of the nose cone, make this a 'must have' model for me.

It will be interesting to see what JCW and IF come up with. Personally, I think JCW will have to do some work on the nose shape and size of their cockpit windows along with their new GE-90-115B1 mold to keep up with the current improvements. My guess is InFlight will only have to modify their engine pylons (if they haven't already) along with the planned improvements, to stay competitive.
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I prefer the JC Wings engines
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I prefer the JC Wings engines
You may prefer them, and the extra printed detail is definitely better, but the shape of the current JCW GE-90 engine does not look as not as accurate as the Eagle model in these pictures, mainly due to the size of the engine and constricted intake lip of the JCW model.

The pylons on the JCW model are better, but mount the engine too low. The pylons on the Eagle model are not as accurate ( a little filing with a fine grit file will fix that), but mount the engine right where it should be in relation to the leading edge of the wing.

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Okay. The only thing that I do not like about the Eagle is the landing gear. But willing to give them a chance with some of their other 777s
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Okay. The only thing that I do not like about the Eagle is the landing gear. But willing to give them a chance with some of their other 777s
Ok, I have to agree with you on that. The wheels and landing gear are one of the Eagle model's weak points. But painted the correct gray, they look much better.

And with what we have seen of the new JCW GE-90-115B1 mold, future releases of the JCW 777-300ER will have the engine size and shape issue fixed, with new pylons too. I hope they enlarge the cockpit windows 10% or so also. THAT would make a near perfect 777-300ER model.
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nice pics aa! quite impressed with the eagle.. but since JC is really a new version of the all blacks, i'll wait for that one first lol
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I had this model on pre-order but changed the pre-order to the JCW model when they announced it would have the new GE-90 engine mold.

If, however, the JCW ANZ model is released with the current GE-90 engine mold, I'll probably switch back to this model. The deciding factor is the Eagle engine pylons, which look the same as the last GE-90 mold on the Eagle/Phoenix model. Again, not bad but just not quite as good as the preview pics that we have seen of JCW's new pylon.
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Sorry, but the Eagle/Phoenix engine looks like a toy to me. Lacking detail. Not to mention the plane looks less like 777 then the JC one.
Buy which one you like better , JC for me
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Check the pylons/engines/gears and scribed lines...obviously PHX is not playing this game with their heart.
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How about their new Thai B772? I haven't seen anyone pictures of it yet. Not even on ebay.
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For me, it's ALL about the engines. ANZ has minimal printed detail on their engine cowlings and for me one of the distinguishing characteristics of the ANZ engine cowl is how clean and uncluttered it looks. Right now, I think the shape of the Eagle engines is really good, better in fact than the current JCW GE-90 mold. The pylon is also not an issue as I have a great set of flies that can take care of the shape of the Eagle pylon just fine.

This may all change with the new JCW engine and pylon mold. I suspect both engine and pylon will be a real improvement on the current mold. We will just have to wait and see.
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For me, it's ALL about the engines. ANZ has minimal printed detail on their engine cowlings and for me one of the distinguishing characteristics of the ANZ engine cowl is how clean and uncluttered it looks. Right now, I think the shape of the Eagle engines is really good, better in fact than the current JCW GE-90 mold. The pylon is also not an issue as I have a great set of flies that can take care of the shape of the Eagle pylon just fine.

This may all change with the new JCW engine and pylon mold. I suspect both engine and pylon will be a real improvement on the current mold. We will just have to wait and see.
I just dont understand why you always like to compare a toy with a model.
For most collectors, a model is not just about engines. (I am not saying the Eagle 777 engine is good). Have you ever checked the quality of the vertical stabilizer of the Eagle 777? It is totally toy grade. The landing gear is also a joke...


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Take a look a the previous incarnation of the JCW 777-300ER. Totally out of scale generic engines, generic pylons, skinny gear that almost always bent outward. It has gotten better, much better.

But it also interesting that you chose a picture of the former generation of the Eagle GE-90s too. Even though they were too small, they are at least mounted level with the leading edge of the wing. And the new Eagle GE-90 is the right size (which the JCW GE-90 isn't), the right shape, better 'hot section', mounted level with the wing where it should be. Again, I could get into all of the other areas of the JCW model that need improvement if you really want me to.

And as a final note. It isn't nice to say one of the models is a toy. I really do think the JCW 777-300ER is a scale model too!!

Oh as a final, final note, you are not comparing a model to a model. That is a picture of a real airplane that you posted above dear.

Anyway, Eagle is not JCW's chief competition for a 777-300ER mold. InFlight is. And with the upgrades to that mold, JCW will have a real fight on its hands.

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Take a look a the previous incarnation of the JCW 777-300ER. Totally out of scale generic engines, generic pylons, skinny gear that almost always bent outward. It has gotten better, much better.

But it also interesting that you chose a picture of the former generation of the Eagle GE-90s too. Even though they were too small, they are at least mounted level with the leading edge of the wing. And the new Eagle GE-90 is the right size (which the JCW GE-90 isn't), the right shape, better 'hot section', mounted level with the wing where it should be. Again, I could get into all of the other areas of the JCW model that need improvement if you really want me to.

And as a final note. It isn't nice to say one of the models is a toy. I really do think the JCW 777-300ER is a scale model too!!

Oh as a final, final note, you are not comparing a model to a model. That is a picture of a real airplane that you posted above dear.

Anyway, Eagle is not JCW's chief competition for a 777-300ER mold. InFlight is. And with the upgrades to that mold, JCW will have a real fight on its hands.
I don't really want to compare a toy with a model. But to show this big difference, I have no choice.




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Did you even bother to read ANY of my other posts above? I have the JCW All Blacks on pre-order and canceled my pre-order for the Eagle model to do it. But the existing JCW model does have its problems too.

First of all, the Eagle AND the JCW models are BOTH toys. AGAIN, interesting that you chose to show the OLD Eagle mold for reference instead of the new Phoenix/Eagle GE-90 mold shown above. I suppose it is because if you had compared the 2 molds like above, it is obvious that the Eagle mold is better in a number of areas.

The Eagle GE-90 mold is both larger (actually the correct size) than the JCW model and has the correct size 'hot section' too. The JCW 'hot section' is too narrow AND too long. The JCW model has the edge in the pylon shape, but mounts the engine well below the leading edge of the wing (which is wrong) instead of even like both the old and new Phoenix mold as the pictures above show including your picture above.

And since you brought it up, the current JCW mold has other problems too. The nose is too sharp. JCW just had to copy their acceptable 767 nose but apparently that was too much. Te cockpit windows on the current mold are too small by about 10% confirmed by your, er sorry, JCW's desiogn department and are supposed to be corrected on the next release. The radome outlining is a nice touch, but it is too far forward and the wrong shape. It should be almost level with the front point of the windscreen when viewed from the side and curve gently around the windscreen front at the top of the radome. It actually detracts from the appearance of the model rather than adding to it. We have already talked about the engines being too small and too low. Other than that, it is a good mold but becoming quickly outdated.

The real problem here and elsewhere on this forum is 'bashing someone else's models as 'toy like'. AGAIN, they are ALL toys. What is very discouraging is It seems like every time some one posts something positive about another brand, the JCW 'Harpies' come shrieking out. People have different tastes and see things differently, so BACK OFF and let people who see things differently enjoy their models too. This really is getting tiring.

This will probably get this post deleted, but sometimes I think you could put wings, landing gear a brand name on a turd and those loyal to that brand would defend it as the greatest scale model ever.

'Nuff said........
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CA, dont waste ur breath. There IS a reason why EGO promotes JCs products and bashes others, and it aint because he is an avid collector.

Keep reviewing the moulds, your critiques are appreciated as theyre balanced. Dont mind the fine weather "friends".
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Sorry, but the Eagle/Phoenix engine looks like a toy to me. Lacking detail. Not to mention the plane looks less like 777 then the JC one.
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The Eagle 777 is lacking details because it is only an enlarged version of the 1:400 Phoenix 777. For example, the tail does not have the tail light like the JC/GJ one. However, interestingly, the vertical stabilizer has too much details ....


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...even though they may have several accounts, the "speech" and their MO is always the same...so easy to spot them.
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CA, dont waste ur breath. There IS a reason why EGO promotes JCs products and bashes others, and it aint because he is an avid collector.

Keep reviewing the moulds, your critiques are appreciated as theyre balanced. Dont mind the fine weather "friends".
Thanks for the support! I will continue to do my reviews and 'call them as I see them'.
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The Eagle 777 is lacking details because it is only an enlarged version of the 1:400 Phoenix 777. For example, the tail does not have the tail light like the JC/GJ one. However, interestingly, the vertical stabilizer has too much details ....

That's not the 'tail light' my friend. The upper protrusion on the 'screwdriver tail' is the strobe light. The white 'tail light' is called a position light, is on the BOTTOM of the tail, and isn't modeled on the JCW model either!

Part of the appeal of the Eagle /Phoenix model IS that it is a 'blown up' version of their excellent 1/400 mold. Like the old Western models, they have an appeal of their own. And now with the revised GE-90 engines, they have more correctly sized and shaped engines (of course InFlight's excellent GE-90s are a little better IMHO). I also like the cockpit printing better. I personally would rather have it over sized by 10% and the correct shape.

The GE-90 engines are my hot button on the 777-300ER. Not only the size and shape, but where they sit in relation to the wing are what 'makes' the look o the GE-90 on the 777-300ER. The engines are the reason that I personally stopped buying the old version of JCW's 777-300ER with the old generic engines. They are also the reason I won't buy any more JCW/GJ models until they revise the engines, move them up where they should be in relation to the leading edge of the wing, revise the nose shape (should be more rounded) and radome printing (should be further back) and make the cockpit windows larger.

Someone else mentioned the cockpit windows as a real plus on the Eagle model and I agree with that also. The smaller, flatter nose and larger cockpit windows give more of the 'feel' of the 777. Although they are too large by about 10%, the are the correct shape. The nose also looks better because of the radome . The JCW nose area really needs some revision. The front cockpit window frame is slanted backwards at too steep an angle on the JCW model. It is much more vertical on the real 777 and affect the whole 'look' of the nose. The windows are too small by about 10% and the rear window is too small in relation to the other windows (should be roughly the size of the middle window) and the wrong shape. The radome printing is TERRIBLE. It is too far forward and accentuates the pointy nose. It should be further back, and when viewed from the side should almost come back to the front cockpit window frame. JCW should have left it off the model if they couldn't do it correctly. I like the nose of the Eagle model a little better to be honest.

All that being said, I do like the JCW 777-300ER mold for all of its strengths. But it isn't perfect. I have enough models on the old mold in my collection, and there are several other 'new mold' models coming on the market.

I would think that your time would be better spent telling your boss, oh, I'm sorry, telling JCW to start releasing the new GE-90 engine mold with a few printing upgrades to the radome and cockpit windows before they fall too far behind. JCW isn't the only 777-300ER game in town anymore, and the other brands are getting better all the time.

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...even though they may have several accounts, the "speech" and their MO is always the same...so easy to spot them.
I wouldn't mind if 'they' posted pictures of their own models, but all the 'guilty' ( employees?) can only seem to do is criticize other people's models. It is getting to sound like a broken record.

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...even though they may have several accounts, the "speech" and their MO is always the same...so easy to spot them.
No need to remind me that you are an IF200 and JFOX representative. I already know you have several accounts to defend for IF200 and JFOX.
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No need to remind me that you are an IF200 and JFOX representative. I already know you have several accounts to defend for IF200 and JFOX.


Not sure where you got your information, but it is wrong
Rui favorite manufacturer is InFlight, but he is upfront about it. It is even part of his avatar. But he is not part of InFlight. His photographic contributions to this forum (ARD visit pictures is one of his MANY contributions) are but one the many 'services' that he offers to this forum. He is also an excellent source of information. He is one of the most open people that I know of on this forum.

Can't say the same for others on this forum.

Rui also posts LOTS of pictures of his models for others to admire.

Come to think of it, I don't remember ever seeing pictures of your collection. Nope, not ever.

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