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Old 09-06-2015, 07:33 AM   #1
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Just received this Pan Am together with my other 4 747. The polished belly does look good on this model, however I think the old IF mould is still the best and the printing is nicer on the old one too. You can compare yourself. Nice box though.











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Thanks for the pictures. Great comparison, but what exactly do you like better on the old release? Judging from your pictures I like the new one better, which is good since it's easier to get right now .
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thanks for posting, waiting for mine to land soon.

Comparing the two, I can see a crispier printing too, the meatball and US flag are def. better looking on the new release. Also the cockpit windows are improved, especially the last ones as they are not as " pointy". Apu doors and further details printed, only thing missing is still those landing lights in clear plastic parts, instead of being printed!
Yes, the wingroot gap is still there, gears are still metal, not painted but these are IFs trademark in a way....I think they are better than the first releases, and I also have the original Pan Am 747 release, a TWA and a Continental.

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Thanks for the comparison I am also looking forward to getting mine home!
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Just received this Pan Am together with my other 4 747. The polished belly does look good on this model, however I think the old IF mould is still the best and the printing is nicer on the old one too. You can compare yourself. Nice box though.











Many thanks for the excellent photos !
I too have both the old and new models and definitely prefer the new one.
The blue colour on the new model looks much better than the old one.
Also,the polished fuselage looks better,and the CLIPPER name letter
font.

I just wish that all these new polished models would have polished
engine nacells as well.

The box art of the new model is WAY better !
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Thanks for the comparison. I'm really looking forward to receiving mine.

However, I wonder if anyone knows and can explain the white paint line directly above the polished belly of the fuselage? I noticed it on the Delta 747 in his other thread, too.
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Models are painted at the factory just like kits, really, and only after they apply the "livery" by means of tampo printing.
The " lines" or stripes we see in so many models are part of the finish look, in order to conceal any blurriness from the painting process.
I think this is it, but if anybody has better information, please go ahead.
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"Clipper Defender" is a bold title!!!

That's terrific, as I have always wanted a die cast Pan Am 747 in that livery to replace my old Herpa model (which is faded and missing details like antennas etc.)

The new IF has a parking spot in the Pan Am cabinets, as it will immediately supplant the Herpa as soon as it gets here.

"Clipper Young America" has always been my favourite, and the centrepiece of my Pan Am collection, but she might now have a serious competitor.

Definitely a huge improvement in the box art. Almost a shame not to display the box, too.
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Models are painted at the factory just like kits, really, and only after they apply the "livery" by means of tampo printing.
The " lines" or stripes we see in so many models are part of the finish look, in order to conceal any blurriness from the painting process.
I think this is it, but if anybody has better information, please go ahead.
I took a look at my Clipper Young America and at first I didn't see the paint line, but it is there. It is done in the silver belly color, not the white. I also can see it in the cheatline of the new KLM delivery colors 747. It must be an Inflight production process on their 747s. I don't see it on my GJ or IF models of other airframes.
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The PAN AM titles on this new 747 release are in a boldface font -- and that's incorrect for Pan Am's 747-100 delivery scheme. The titles on InFlight's first Pan Am 747-100 release are correct.
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The PAN AM titles on this new 747 release are in a boldface font -- and that's incorrect for Pan Am's 747-100 delivery scheme. The titles on InFlight's first Pan Am 747-100 release are correct.
You're correct. How could Inflight miss that? There are enough pictures of the real thing on the internet. It's a shame. Manufacturers really need to get their stuff together. Mistakes like that simply should not happen.
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Yes! So happy that she has the bold titles. That's the way I remember seeing them as a kid. Thank you InFlight. Thank you so much.
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The bold titles you are referring to were even bigger. Also the flag on the tail should be bigger for the bold title livery and the clipper name would need to be bigger to and in a different font. See this picture for reference (bold titles):
Photos: Boeing 747-121 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

This model as it is should have the small titles.
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Yes! So happy that she has the bold titles. That's the way I remember seeing them as a kid. Thank you InFlight. Thank you so much.
You're memory's off a bit, sorry! When Pan Am modified the titles of its "jet age" livery, the letters not only appeared in boldface type, but also were squished together -- as shown this pic of N738PA.

It's a shame this new release has such a glaring error.
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It's a shame this new release has such a glaring error.
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Seriously, it is 1mm we're talking about...
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Seriously, it is 1mm we're talking about...
It's still quite obvious and should not happen. Remember how much those things cost.
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Sorry guys, but I have to agree with those who think the old model looks better. I really like the clear wing landing lights, correct cockpit window size, door outlining that looks more realistic and more correct clipper name font size. There is also additional antenna detail on the original. It is interesting that the comparison does not show the engines of the original. There is a BIG difference there too.

The only edge the new mold has is the polished belly, but unless that is done without any clear coat staining, even that is a wash.

That being said, the new model is not bad looking at all, and if the inaccuracies don't bother you or you missed out on the originals, would be a nice addition to your Pan Am collection.

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Sorry guys, but I have to agree with those who think the old model looks better. I really like the clear wing landing lights, correct cockpit window size, door outlining that looks more realistic and correct 'Pan Am' and clipper name font size and thickness . There is also additional antenna detail on the original. It is interesting that the comparison does not show the engines of the original. There is a BIG difference there too.

The only edge the new mold has is the polished belly, but unless that is done without any clear coat staining, even that is a wash.

That being said, the new model is not bad looking at all, and if the inaccuracies don't bother you or you missed out on the originals, would be a nice addition to your Pan Am collection.
Clipper name font size and thickness is correct on the new release and wrong on the first one. Also the antenna on the lower fuselage is in the correct position on the new model and too far forward on old one. The thickness of the pan am title is correct on the old model now and pretty obvious if you ask me.
See this picture for reference: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Pan-A...095ce86d41aaed

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Clipper name or font doesn't look correct on the new model from this picture, and this font style and size look pretty standard from multiple pics of early PA 747-1s. This one is just a good example. The Pan Am title isn't correct on either model. It is less bold (although closer on the new model) but BOTH should have the letters closer together. And what about the clear landing lights and cockpit window printing on the old model? Those are GREAT touches.

When did too small cockpit window printing become so popular on many models (ALL brands included)?

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Clipper name or font doesn't look correct on the new model from this picture, and this font style and size look pretty standard from multiple pics of early PA 747-1s. Check out the door outlining also. This one is just a good example. The Pan Am title isn't correct on either model. It is less bold (although closer) but BOTH should have the letters closer together. And what about the clear landing lights and cockpit window printing on the old model? Those are GREAT touches.

When did too small cockpit window printing become so popular on many models (ALL brands included)?
This picture shows a 747 in a later livery with bigger pan am titles. It's not the one the model is supposed to replicate. Please check my last post for a reference picture of clipper defender in the correct livery. I have to agree with you on the landing lights though.
There are more differences between the schemes though. Look at how the cheat line on your picture doesn't fully wrap around the nose. Also the flag on the tail is different.

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Ok, I think this is the livery you are talking about. I see what you mean about the Clipper title, but the correct Pan Am title looks like it is right between the old and new models. This is a pic from 1974.

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Another one, this time from 1970. Closer to the original release IMHO

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You could be right that it's right between both models. The new one definitely looks to big though. Still a nice model.
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I must agree that the PAN AM titles on the old model are closer to the the real
aircraft that it represents.-But it doesn't bother me that much.
The blue colour on the new model is way better than the old,and that is something
that I noticed instantly.
I still say that having polished engine nacells would further enhance the appearance
of the models.

For my part I definitely prefer the new model than the old.
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Here we are nitpicking apart a model again. Oh well I guess it's just part of the hobby. No model is perfect. I'm still hoping to pick one up for a reasonable price.
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You could be right that it's right between both models. The new one definitely looks to big though. Still a nice model.
It IS a nice model. I had the original and sold it and I may pick this one up to replace it. I DO like the blue cheatline color better on the new release.

There are no perfect models and for me, it is all about knowing which 'flaws' are important to me and which I can live with. This model is one that I definitely could live with.
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I'm trying to shift my collection to more 70's 80's airlines like Pan Am, Eastern, Cathay, LTU (my all time favorite) and Swissair (moving to Switzerland this week). I think those liveries just look more attractive and classy as the modern euro white stuff.
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I would agree. I think that was the 'Golden Age' of airline travel where the trip was a part of the whole experience and not just a way to get there.
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With regard to the accuracy of models,it is really up to the individual to decide what
matters and what is acceptable to them.

I also agree that air travel in the old days was way more pleasant than today.
Also airports were nicer places -less stressful for one.

The airline liveries from the 1960's and 70's are might favourites -in particular those
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great arrival hu!! they both look awesome!!!
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I kinda wish I hadn't pre-ordered the new one now, given the error. I already have the first release. But I'm not gonna cancel a pre-order. Unfair to the retailer.
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The boldface title debate prompted me to do some looking around for photos on the internet.

I found many that seem to substantiate the argument that the 747 was delivered to Pan Am wearing the much smaller font titles, and the change to a bolder font was made as the decade wore on.

However, I have one photo (part of a Pan Am poster I have) that shows a 747 flying above Puget Sound, with the title "January 20, 1970"). The Pan Am titles on this particular aircraft are clearly boldface, as they are much thicker and more prominent than the titles used on "Clipper Young America". They appear to be very similar to the titles on the model "Clipper Defender." If the date on the photo is accurate, this would suggest the bold titles began to appear much earlier than some had suggested, indeed from the paint booth at Boeing.

I wish I could find this particular photo on the internet so I could attach it, but so far I haven't found it anywhere but on this poster, which commemorates the in service dates of each of Pan Am's assorted jet aircraft and the anniversary of the inaugural New York to London 707 flight.

I'm delighted that IF is releasing this pair of Pan Am 747s, and am eagerly awaiting their arrival.
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More likely that the person who put the poster together used the wrong photograph, unless the poster itself was MADE in 1970.
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Bold titles...or not?!....

http://airandspace.si.edu/webimages/highres/7340h.jpg

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According to REG Davies' excellent book, N738PA (Series -121, construction number 19645) was delivered to Pan Am on February 5, 1970. At that time, she was christened "Clipper Belle of the Sea."

At some subsequent point, then, her name was changed to "Clipper Defender", which would also imply that the new IF200 model should have the bold title livery, which began to be applied in the first few years of the decade.
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Look at the picture in the link I posted above. There you will see N738PA with clipper defender title and with the small titles.
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Now I'm really glad I passed on this. It definitely looks like a hybrid between the delivery titles and the updated bold titles. I just hope that a proper bold titles version gets done.
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That Clipper Defender model's tail looks to have a lean to the left.
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That Clipper Defender model's tail looks to have a lean to the left.
Amazing! What an eye....theres not one single photo here showing the model head on, so from a side view picture you can make that assumption....
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Amazing! What an eye....theres not one single photo here showing the model head on, so from a side view picture you can make that assumption....


I'm an artist so I tend to notice if something's off.
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I'm an artist so I tend to notice if something's off.
Such an artist's comment.
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Is that a bad thing?
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