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Old 05-12-2015, 08:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Fellow collectors.

Is it just me or are we seeing a change taking place in the 1/200 model market?
More players build the same types same liveries and release them close to one another.

The market is beeing flooded with models that have left the factory without anyone checking if they are ok.

Why is it that we as a costumer point out soo many flaws and NO one is listening? And no one i changing the errors made. (The boeing 707 is a prime example of that)

To save our beloved hobby fellow collectors we must become more critical.
And return models that look like crap.
The fear of missing out that model due to limited numbers is now over.
Because they are producing by the masses so why settle for less?

The lesson here is .... Dont be afraid to return crappy models.
Your priced possesion is possibly beeing re-run in 5 or 10 years from now with newer molds. Or another producer will make the same model and livery a week later.

We need to stand together on this.
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Maybe it also a good idea to open a form thread named " Freak Show".

Showing all the abominations that have been produced

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I think the important thing to do is not pre-order models where you can't see an actual photo of the model. Only order when they have provided a photo of the model itself.

Then vote with your wallet.
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there is a sentence which is still in my mind.... and which is used pretty often when it comes to justified criticism: "no model is perfect" - and as long the majority of the collectorate will stick to this attitude nothing will change.
the question is where accuracy can be expected and where you can say "ok, it is not 1:1, but hey, it is just a model."
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simple example: the Inflight200 727-100/200 mould is crap compared to the JC/GJ mould - i think we all agree here.... the problem is people keep buying the Inflight models just for the sake of having certain liveries in their collection and they are afraid there won't be releases on the GJ mould when it comes to those liveries.

i still don't understand the GJ/JC marketing strategy: they release a TAP 727 but no Alitalia....or JAT, or Iran Air.... with some peoples excuse that the retro market is too small to produce these models....but why the **** are these liveries made on the IF200 mould - because it is more accurate....´gimme a break!
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Fellow collectors.

Is it just me or are we seeing a change taking place in the 1/200 model market?
More players build the same types same liveries and release them close to one another.

The market is beeing flooded with models that have left the factory without anyone checking if they are ok.

Why is it that we as a costumer point out soo many flaws and NO one is listening? And no one i changing the errors made. (The boeing 707 is a prime example of that)

To save our beloved hobby fellow collectors we must become more critical.
And return models that look like crap.
The fear of missing out that model due to limited numbers is now over.
Because they are producing by the masses so why settle for less?

The lesson here is .... Dont be afraid to return crappy models.
Your priced possesion is possibly beeing re-run in 5 or 10 years from now with newer molds. Or another producer will make the same model and livery a week later.

We need to stand together on this.
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Maybe it also a good idea to open a form thread named " Freak Show".

Showing all the abominations that have been produced
AJ,

I'm with you on this.
I and I'm sure many collectors more noticed that there are lately more models released with flaws that could easily be picked out by "quality control".
As I mentioned before I'm wondering if there is any at all or there is simply no time for them to fix issues as they could get in trouble with the planning and don't stay on schedule just to be the first with a certain model on the market............

Another thing I noticed is that some bash about models and manufactures but still buy the models afterall so I'm afraid we will never stand strong.

One says there's nothing wrong with a certain model and the other will say it has flaws.

Some say: don't complain as it's very difficult to produce all these models so just be happy.......... yup if the model would cost 50euro.

If a model will be produced with an issue, I will mention the flaw on the forums and hope they will find a solution for future models.
Manufactures read these forums right? So that's why.

I'm not buying models with flaws that will bother me leaving them for others who might not care.



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Maybe it also a good idea to open a form thread named " Freak Show".

Showing all the abominations that have been produced
and put the 727 and 737 moulds in immediately....
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Id like to see this "Freak Show" topic as a reference point.......as being new here I've missed a lot of the horror shows and would like to see some photographic evidence to go by....perhaps a "Good effort" followed by a "Freak"?
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i am still not buying any GJ/JC A380s until (at least) the undercarriage will be corrected! not to mention the oversized APU resulting of a mis-shaped rear fuselage....but this would require a completely new fuselage melting/redesign....which i am pretty sure of that it won't ever happen. if they cannot fix that (in direct comparison) small undercarriage issue.
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Quick sample

El-Al Inflight recent release and why i m not buying it.

Cockpit windows crap
Doors and windows too high ( way too high) as is the cheatline.
Look at were the doors supposed to touch the wing line.

If the next pre-orders 747 's i have made look the same ill cancel them all.
Even if it is the Air new zealand .

Heres how it should look

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I definitely try to wait for the pre-pro pictures before I place any preorder. There have been a few models I have passed on because of errors, even though it was a scheme I really wanted. I am willing to forgive a minor error or omission due to manufacturing, but I still want to see what I am getting before I push that BUY button.
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This is the inflight

It is the worst i have seen on the 747

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Again how it should be

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I definitely try to wait for the pre-pro pictures before I place any preorder. There have been a few models I have passed on because of errors, even though it was a scheme I really wanted. I am willing to forgive a minor error or omission due to manufacturing, but I still want to see what I am getting before I push that BUY button.
.... +1 ...

B727 of course and lately a couple of DC-10s due to crrooked undercarriages or differing pax door sizes.
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I also cope with small imperfections on the models.
But the above El Al is a great example on were it is going lately.
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how many IF200 707s did i pass because of "on the roof cheatlines".... 7 or 8....
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It's not just the quality, it's the same ol' stuff released over again in "new moulds" with the same airlines over and over again. And the few releases that do feature a more rare airline are impossible to find. It's amazing how fast this hobby got boring.
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i waited anxiously for GJ AA MD-11 but due to its cheatline issue i dropped the idea of getting it ,there are many examples like this and ultimately once gets dejected .Its high time now and manufacturers should take this matter seriously .and manufacturers stop these 'RE-RELEASES ' chants . We need exact the same model as it gets in real without any flaw .. SIMPLE AS THAT !
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It's not just the quality, it's the same ol' stuff released over again in "new moulds" with the same airlines over and over again. And the few releases that do feature a more rare airline are impossible to find. It's amazing how fast this hobby got boring.
indeed. GJ400 for example really likes to release Delta and Emirates more than just often.
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i waited anxiously for GJ AA MD-11 but due to its cheatline issue i dropped the idea of getting it ,there are many examples like this and ultimately once gets dejected .Its high time now and manufacturers should take this matter seriously .and manufacturers stop these 'RE-RELEASES ' chants . We need exact the same model as it gets in real without any flaw .. SIMPLE AS THAT !
me too but the cockpit simply doesn't look right, so my hope goes to SMA200.
their MD-11 is really spot-on. i just hope to get them in Europe too and it won't be just limited to the US market.
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And what say about the terribles HM A310 and MD-11,they never care about the many mistakes till today.
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Quick sample

El-Al Inflight recent release and why i m not buying it.

Cockpit windows crap
Doors and windows too high ( way too high) as is the cheatline.
Look at were the doors supposed to touch the wing line.

If the next pre-orders 747 's i have made look the same ill cancel them all.
Even if it is the Air new zealand .

Heres how it should look
As long as the paxwindows on the JCW 747 will go up down and the other way round I'm not buying them.

Sample of bad quality control or as I mentioned above no time to react on issues.
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indeed. GJ400 for example really likes to release Delta and Emirates more than just often.
They really like to make those models because the airlines really like Gemini to make those models...A LOT.

How hard a concept is this to understand for so many collectors? It is Chapter 1, paragraph 1, of Business 101.
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Thank you for starting this thread. These things really need to be said. Although I think that JC and Gemini have done well in improving their releases (fixing issues, adding radomes, adding jeweled lights, and generally incorporating our feedback), some manufacturers, especially inflight200 (as mentioned many times on this thread) have just become garbage. Those 747 v-shaped cockpit windows absolutely ruin the model, and the fact that over 10 years, no one has bothered to fix the hump is terrible. Inflight- if you ever hope to have success in the 747 market again, fix your molds and take your models to the next level! Otherwise there is no way you can compete with the new JC mold!
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To be honnest i am a big collector of Geminijets DC-9's ( I have all of them) and i can honestly say they are the best and most detailed 1/200 models to date for a lower price.

you know i dont want to Bash specific producers , i just want our complaints to be taken serious.

We want Scale model replica's

My frustration lies with the fact that planes hit the market that should have been stopped at the quality controll section.

And we need to stop buying them if they look bad.
But i know we all want that Air New Zealand 747-400 before it is out of stock.
Luckely we dont need to fear that because most likely all will produce one now.

And if not now a re run will be made in a few years.
Because thats how they roll nowadays
Milk the cow till it's dry.

Maybe this is not the right market.

Maybe a new brand needs to rise that will meet the demands of the serious collector. One that will render all others too toys.

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simple example: the Inflight200 727-100/200 mould is crap compared to the JC/GJ mould - i think we all agree here.... the problem is people keep buying the Inflight models just for the sake of having certain liveries in their collection and they are afraid there won't be releases on the GJ mould when it comes to those liveries.

i still don't understand the GJ/JC marketing strategy: they release a TAP 727 but no Alitalia....or JAT, or Iran Air.... with some peoples excuse that the retro market is too small to produce these models....but why the **** are these liveries made on the IF200 mould - because it is more accurate....´gimme a break!
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747s engines/wings
350 engines/wings
737 engines/wings
707 engines/wings
787 engines

These are all commom defects on IF's moulds. I tried to be critical on their models but somehow classified as "Bxxxx" by their spokeman when you left any bad comment
Let see what will happen on the 777...

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El-Al Inflight recent release and why i m not buying it.

Cockpit windows crap
Doors and windows too high ( way too high) as is the cheatline.
Look at were the doors supposed to touch the wing line.

If the next pre-orders 747 's i have made look the same ill cancel them all.
Even if it is the Air new zealand .

Heres how it should look
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This is the inflight

It is the worst i have seen on the 747

I can say none of the engines using on IF 747s come with correct shape. The nose also wrong.
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me too but the cockpit simply doesn't look right, so my hope goes to SMA200.
their MD-11 is really spot-on. i just hope to get them in Europe too and it won't be just limited to the US market.
I have been told that they fixed the cockpit on the latest release? For me both MD-11s looks good and up to current standard.
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the Western DC-8 is great, but can you retool the engines (diameter and size in general/maybe also the pylons) -
they are hanging way too low...

http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...3-img_8976.jpg

and cheatline lower please....
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Thank you for starting this thread. These things really need to be said. Although I think that JC and Gemini have done well in improving their releases (fixing issues, adding radomes, adding jeweled lights, and generally incorporating our feedback), some manufacturers, especially inflight200 (as mentioned many times on this thread) have just become garbage. Those 747 v-shaped cockpit windows absolutely ruin the model, and the fact that over 10 years, no one has bothered to fix the hump is terrible. Inflight- if you ever hope to have success in the 747 market again, fix your molds and take your models to the next level! Otherwise there is no way you can compete with the new JC mold!
Ego?!!? Is that you man?! Same speech, same attitude!
Or just another JC troll? Garbage is a strong word for "being critical", its slander.
Shame on you, tsc,tsc, shame on you!
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Ps...those V shaped cockpit windows were done in the JC factory, right?! One only has to look at the crummy landing gears to come to that conclusion.
But apparently nobody here thinks. They just follow. Schade!
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Interesting topic and a constant complaint of mine has always been the windows, doors and titles being too high, especially on the 707's.

It will be interesting to see how the upcoming IF Boeing 720 is released. Many comments were made about it, such as the creases in the leading edge of the wing. Where did they get that from? I never saw that on a 720.

Now with the American 720 as a future release I hope they can at least get the sparse livery correct with the correct titles and logo.

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What you're seeing is a turf war between manufacturers. Started in the 400 scale between two factories with a bad history, then escalated to the 200 scale after a separation. I said it sucked from the beginning, and I doubt its any coincidence that two factories are releasing the same models. Who is copying who, who knows.

Unfortunately, holding out in protest will not work as there are too few models and many more potential customers. Just do the math. Manufacturers are setting their production run based on number of preorders...so the factory is bound to sell out no matter what. And in the 7+ years I've been collecting, haven't seen one factory accept chargebacks or returns.

Making pre-orders, then cancelling or even just returning models you do not like is only hurting the retailers as they purchase based on how many pre-orders they get. Best thing is wait until you see it in person, or until someone posts pictures online. Protest with your wallets, for sure...but don't make retailers holding models you pre-ordered.

Lastly, yes, I criticize yet still purchase the model I criticize. My money, my choice. The saying "ignorant is bliss" definitely applies to me as it makes collecting model airplanes so much more enjoyable, rather than stewing about oversized APU, wing joint is wrong, nose is grotesque. If its close enough then I am happy with it.

Only thing I nitpick is print job because more than likely the people that sees my models won't know if the wing joint is correct, but they will ask whether the window line is really crooked on the plane (well, that's if they look closely enough). But I still have the JCs 747 on pre-order because I just love the 747s, and I am hoping that the pics are pre-production samples and the window lines will be corrected. Just giving them the benefit of the doubt. (still holding out hope they will fix the flight deck brow)

But it doesn't mean I don't care...stopped collecting the 707 awhile back because the windows were consistently printed too high on several releases in a row. But, didnt stop them from releasing more 707s. Was the window line ever fixed?
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Ego?!!? Is that you man?! Same speech, same attitude!
Or just another JC troll? Garbage is a strong word for "being critical", its slander.
Shame on you, tsc,tsc, shame on you!
Love this place.

Ps...those V shaped cockpit windows were done in the JC factory, right?! One only has to look at the crummy landing gears to come to that conclusion.
But apparently nobody here thinks. They just follow. Schade!
Haha don't worry I'm not a JC troll. All of my 747s are either IF or premiums. The new klm will be my first JC 747. Trust me, I love my battleship inflight more than almost any other model in my collection, but my concern comes from the inability to improve anything (in fact the 747-400 got worse when they "updated" their mold). Just compare the inflight 747 with the JC 777 over the last several years. Both started off as nice planes with plenty of flaws but only one was actually improved to any degree. The V shaped cockpit is all on inflight, not JC. Just look at the recent tropical SQs and you can see that the problem is only on the inflight.
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I will admit, few manufacturers really listen to the collectorate. I think Dragon did make a few changes back in the day, and shortly thereafter, the folks at Big Bird did come up with some nice models (744's). Did they make the changes happen overnight? No.

Fast forward a few years and JC releases a not-so-good ANZ 777 "All Blacks". It was the model that stopped me from buying preorder, sight unseen. Then two months later, Version 2.0 hit the streets and looked real good actually. I think that was the best part of this hobby - when a manufacturer listens and fixes a model. (Unless folks will tell me the quick turn was a way to sell out of a 2.0 version to the desperate masses...grabbing the money anyway they can.) I'd like to think not. JC seems to listen and make improvements and therefore will have the votes ($$$$) of those who see the realism expected at the correct (though very personal) price point.

Funny to hear Nick, year after year, make the same comment about Business 101. He was right then and is now. It's like revisiting a college class I took many years ago being in the back of the room and hearing the professor give a familiar lecture to a new crop of students (collectors). He does change the delivery to keep it interesting (testify, Prof!)

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1. Don't like it, don't buy it.
2. Wait for it - they will get around to making it. (I will have my "Big Red" Qantas 744 now --- woot!)
3. Can't wait? - collect another model/livery/anything else/go experience life/pony up $20,000 for your own mould and/or have commissioned it yourself (or go to crownvic or others to make for you).
4. Companies make models to make money. Corporate and personal sales are part of the equation.
5. Breathe - it's all good.



P.S. Who wants to start a 747-400 Club revival!?!?!? Aww yeah!!!!!!

P.S.S. DLmd11, I'm in your camp on that last comment. It CAN be done correctly and there are many in this forum who would lend a hand to make it right.
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starallianceflyer is right. we collect for a variety of reasons. some collect the replica of planes they flew on, some follow a particular airline etc etc etc and i guess not everyone is overly concerned about the correct engines, nose shape, exact livery etc. and there's really no point sulking that the manufacturers didn't produce an exact replica of a particular model one is interested in. hoping others will be turned off by the inaccuracies, to me, is an exercise in futility. it won't happen. that's exactly the reason why some of us point out the deficiencies and yet still go ahead and buy those models anyway... unless you can wait and hope for the manufacturer to rectify the deficiencies in re-releases, or another manufacturer comes around to do a more accurate one. i don't know about the rest but i kinda subscribe to the "a bird in hand is worth two in the bush" principle. and i think very few will pass on a model they've been holding out on just because of such inaccuracies either. then again, i may be wrong. but if your primary motive of collection is to get the replica of planes you flew on or follow a particular airline, i think the deficiencies would not stop you from getting one. it helps when you're spoilt for choices in deciding which manufacturer to choose from, like in the recent tropical and klm releases... but not if that's the only one that's available (kinda like having a monopoly of that particular livery). most would rather have a deficient model than none at all. just my two cents observation.
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This is the inflight

It is the worst i have seen on the 747

This is a complete dog's azz....I mean it looks like a B744.
Jeezuz IF wazzuuuuuuuuuuup??????????
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the Western DC-8 is great, but can you retool the engines (diameter and size in general/maybe also the pylons) -
they are hanging way too low...

http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...3-img_8976.jpg

and cheatline lower please....
one more pic to show how small the engines really are...
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latest quality issue...



is it just me or is the windowline printed too high here?
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is it just me or is the windowline printed too high here?

Ever so slightly , actually not that bad . ( on the model that is :-p)
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starallianceflyer is right. we collect for a variety of reasons. some collect the replica of planes they flew on, some follow a particular airline etc etc etc and i guess not everyone is overly concerned about the correct engines, nose shape, exact livery etc. and there's really no point sulking that the manufacturers didn't produce an exact replica of a particular model one is interested in. hoping others will be turned off by the inaccuracies, to me, is an exercise in futility. it won't happen. that's exactly the reason why some of us point out the deficiencies and yet still go ahead and buy those models anyway... unless you can wait and hope for the manufacturer to rectify the deficiencies in re-releases, or another manufacturer comes around to do a more accurate one. i don't know about the rest but i kinda subscribe to the "a bird in hand is worth two in the bush" principle. and i think very few will pass on a model they've been holding out on just because of such inaccuracies either. then again, i may be wrong. but if your primary motive of collection is to get the replica of planes you flew on or follow a particular airline, i think the deficiencies would not stop you from getting one. it helps when you're spoilt for choices in deciding which manufacturer to choose from, like in the recent tropical and klm releases... but not if that's the only one that's available (kinda like having a monopoly of that particular livery). most would rather have a deficient model than none at all. just my two cents observation.
Sure you also have a point here.
We keep buying them because .... Well simply there is no one around that sells really detailed and close to perfect scale models.

Maybe it is time someone needs to dive in to that market.

The problem i think is that all these current brands could do sooooo much better.
But they simply dont bother to do their best or improve things.

I think it is a thing of the time and age we live in right now.
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This is the inflight

It is the worst i have seen on the 747


Simply look at how the cheat line is Banana shaped.
It goes like and arch from nose to tail.

The cockpit window on this one does spell problem for future releases.
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Haha don't worry I'm not a JC troll. All of my 747s are either IF or premiums. The new klm will be my first JC 747. Trust me, I love my battleship inflight more than almost any other model in my collection, but my concern comes from the inability to improve anything (in fact the 747-400 got worse when they "updated" their mold). Just compare the inflight 747 with the JC 777 over the last several years. Both started off as nice planes with plenty of flaws but only one was actually improved to any degree. The V shaped cockpit is all on inflight, not JC. Just look at the recent tropical SQs and you can see that the problem is only on the inflight.
No.1 IF cheerleader got nervous when he read this kind of comments and classified you as a JC troll...
V shaped cockpit windows were done in the JC factory ?That mean both "Tropical" were made by JCW ?
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They really like to make those models because the airlines really like Gemini to make those models...A LOT.

How hard a concept is this to understand for so many collectors? It is Chapter 1, paragraph 1, of Business 101.
^^^^this.

It's these repeat airline orders that generate a profit to subsidize the models that generally will break even at best, but most likely are more risky than ADI taking the money they'd spend manufacturing them and throwing it on the local craps table.

It costs money (a lot) to produce samples, correct errors and then Produce more samples prior to production. You think the models are expensive now? They'd be far higher with just two sample rounds.

Cost of materials is much higher these days, and so is shipping. Add a minimum of 25% to the cost of your model to achieve the perfection you desire.
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Well if the OP's desire is for everyone to be more nitpicky, which I cant see anyone being more than that then the people on this forum, then they don't need to go any place else than here. The one thread written lately that someone said they like GJ they got called out on it and called a kiss a$$ or something that form.

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^^^^this.

It's these repeat airline orders that generate a profit to subsidize the models that generally will break even at best, but most likely are more risky than ADI taking the money they'd spend manufacturing them and throwing it on the local craps table.

It costs money (a lot) to produce samples, correct errors and then Produce more samples prior to production. You think the models are expensive now? They'd be far higher with just two sample rounds.

Cost of materials is much higher these days, and so is shipping. Add a minimum of 25% to the cost of your model to achieve the perfection you desire.

If the quality of the model justifies the price for it i dont see a reason why i would not pay more for it.

I seek Quality and near perfection.
If i have to pay 250 or 300€ for it fine.
But again it needs to be a true to scale model.

Again maybe it is a gap in the market, and maybe i need to jump in to it.

And if you are going to reproduce same models at least have the dignity to use a different registration instead of re releasing same Reg.nr's

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Well if the OP's desire is for everyone to be more nitpicky, which I cant see anyone being more than that then the people on this forum, then they don't need to go any place else than here. The one thread written lately that someone said they like GJ they got called out on it and called a kiss a$$ or something that form.
The hobby has come a LONG, LONG ways since the days of decals on Schabaks and the early Aeroclassics. And remember when collectors were falling over themselves with $100 bills to snag low production Herpas with tractor wheels?

Seriously folks, I never thought that this hobby would see so many awesome models as we have now. If that makes me a kiss *** then so be it.
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Of all of our models, (And that would be 150 plus) in 1/200 scale, there are only three that I can complain about in the condition they came in

JCW Cathay A342 Front landing gear tire pin falls off

JCW Varig MD11 Broken Engine and Wingtip. And paint missing from Number 2 engine. Since upgraded with new model


Gemini200 Air Canada 773 One front tire larger than other

Thats is all, and that is not too bad


I see some minor marks, scratches etc but this does not bother my daughter. She loves them for being hers and not being perfect

But looks like she is in the Minority
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^^^^this.

It's these repeat airline orders that generate a profit to subsidize the models that generally will break even at best, but most likely are more risky than ADI taking the money they'd spend manufacturing them and throwing it on the local craps table.

It costs money (a lot) to produce samples, correct errors and then Produce more samples prior to production. You think the models are expensive now? They'd be far higher with just two sample rounds.

Cost of materials is much higher these days, and so is shipping. Add a minimum of 25% to the cost of your model to achieve the perfection you desire.
Sounds good to me.

Seen model cars in 1/25 scale costing $200.00? Detail is amazing.
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We have a 1/18 Mercedes made by Auto Art. Got it on sale some years back for $65.00

I have seen others go for well over $300.00
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Sounds good to me.

Seen model cars in 1/25 scale costing $200.00? Detail is amazing.

Exactly my tought!

If the model quality justifies it i am more than willing to pay a bit more.
But what bothers me is that now models are produced that are simply awfull.
And they are poored in to the market because producers rather try and sell it than to change it.
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Sounds good to me.

Seen model cars in 1/25 scale costing $200.00? Detail is amazing.
People rave about Herpa Premiums but obviously not enough of people.
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